Talon Rework Concept: The Assassin that specialise in killing high health/regen target

arcDapineapple··2 votes·1,129 views
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Ok i see alot of talon rework concept idea going around and i just want to post my idea so the community can see. Riot game stated this is what they want to do with talon:

  1. Want to make him a roaming Assassin
  2. Give him a new passive ability
  3. Counter play

So taking in all this info i came up with an idea of making him like Juuzo from Tokyo ghoul. Juuzo is a character that specialise in fighting ghouls with high regeneration using knives and other blade weaponry and i thought what if talon could do that?

[ New Passive]: Momentum blade

Has Talon move around he start building momentum that will allow his next attack to do bonus damage base on 7%/10/13% of his current movement speed. If he reach 100% Momentum he will gain a 30%/40/50% MS and will be able lunge forward to his target in a 300/350/400 range target


[New Q] Noxian Mercy

Passive: Talon basic attack/abilities can apply grievous wounds on target for 3 sec Active: Talon next attack does bonus damage 30 / 60 / 90 / 120 / 150 (+ 35% ad) and cause opponent to be slowed by 45%. This attack can crit and can reset his auto attack.

Tl;DR

You stab them really hard


[W] Rake:

Stay the same


[ New E] Shadow Dash 15 sec all rank Range: 400 Talon can dash 1x to dodge attack and go stealth for 5sec, while stealth he gain a 30%/40/50 movement speed boost. Dash will grant 15/20/25 momentum. This ability can be used to go through walls.

Tl;Dr

It basically Vayne Q and ultimate with increase range to help you get close to your enemies while being sneaky. When i mean sneak you can use your tumble to go invisible and sneak pass wards when roaming.


[New Ultimate] 1000 Blade Assasult

Talon target an enemy an throw 6x knife at them dealing 20 / 35 / 50 (+ 25% AD)damage and marking them. Enemy impale by talons blade will have 80% reduction to health regen/Lifesteal, heals and spell vamp. If talon land his Q on them again the blade will explode out and deal bonus 100/175/250 magic damage to them. If the mark target die your E will get reset.

TL;DR

A challenge where you stand still and start throwing knives into your target. Your target will know you mark them for dead and you will have to find a way to get to them and kill them.


8 Comments

Eclipse13371 votes

Talon is NOT made to kill regening/healing targets; that sounds a little more like Katarina if anything.

Plus, don't base your rework off an anime character lol.. Base it off of what the given champion's nichè, strengths and weaknesses.

You did a good job of lowering his burst potential but I feel like he needs more reliable mobility.

arcDapineapple1 votes

The only thing i took from Juuzo is his knife throwing and i used it for talon ultimate while putting in a counter play for it with the fact that talon have to get close.

The mobility part you mention you got to take this into consider ration. His passive allow him to install cover 200 range if his close to the target i can buff that to 400.

His E can cover 600 range ea tumble is 300 before going on cooldown. that my fault for not putting in numbers so im going to use 12/11/10/9/8 sec has filler. and you have to remeber it grant momentum as well.

Eclipse13371 votes

200 range is basically a little bit larger than a melee champion auto.

You didn't say anything about the range on the E :p

I feel like Talon needs more ways to get to his opponents rather than having a defensive ability.

Maybe this idea is better as a new assassin? I'm not really sure.

Stalinium1 votes

Other than Talon being compared to that picture making me want to vomit, here is my opinion as a Talon main:

The passive: I think you math'd incorrectly here- you would actually deal MORE damage at every rank with <100% momentum. Although I guess that'd be the tradeoff for the blink

Q: I'm totally fine with this as long as it's an AA reset and can crit

W: Applying the bleed sounds ludicrously strong in lane. This is kinda the hidden power rito doesn't like, and makes killing the enemy laner easy if you land a couple Ws. Personally, I hope that this ability is left untouched

E: Vayne's ultimate is that for a reason... While this sounds great (especially in lane... E, W, AA, Q , Tiamat and they're pretty much dead), I think it's actually too powerful. I'd be happy with getting over walls with my E though

R: I'm not sure if this sounds most like Katarina ult, Lucian Ult, or Irelia ult, and then Kalista's spear pull... Personally, I kinda like his current ult, but I am a Talon main XD

Overall, I think you're actually giving him too much damage in dot form, and turning him into a Vayne + Irelia type fighter rather than an assassin. But I upvoted for attention toward my favorite champ anyway ;)

arcDapineapple1 votes

thnx for the feed back i made some changes.

  • took out the bleed effects
  • Nerf his passive while adding more movement speed
  • He can now dash 1x instead of 2 but can be stealth longer while gaining a movement speed boost.

The reasoning behind his E is that this will help him gank. Riot game stated they like it if talon was a roaming assassin so with his E he can use it to sneak pass wards so he can gank lanes

His ultimate the reason why i change his ultimate is because it needed counter play now the enemy has a chance to fight back before blowing up. Talon main still have that all in play style and they have that stealth escape because the ult will reset your e

EvilUnicornLord1 votes

Disclaimer: I am not a Talon main, but here's a test to see who is.

item 1055 or item 1036

Stalinium1 votes

item 1036 item 2003 x3, unless you're confident (/ low elo and don't get harassed properly <3) you can item 2031

EvilUnicornLord1 votes

Yup, you play Talon alright.

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