Dauntless Ahri is pretty much universally preferred..

DynamiteGazelle·Jan 13, 2015·85 votes·5,429 views

So why hasn't it been changed? Or the issue even addressed by a Rioter?

49 Comments

JunkοJan 13, 201522 votes

Don't worry it's PBE so Riot can take the players advice and then use it to make the game better, like revert Sona nerfs or change the name back to Dauntless.

sarcasm

DynamiteGazelleJan 14, 20154 votes

Ya, there needs to be like a Pre-PBE nowadays because it seems like the actual PBE has pretty much become just a showcase for new creations rather than a place for meaningful feedback.

I think it was about a Sona nerf recently where a rioter said something along the lines of 'It's going to live no matter what.' So what's the point of the PBE then? I thought it was to test new stuff with a larger player base..

TendrianJan 13, 201510 votes

What I would like to know is why there hasn't been a statement from Riot about this issue at all. We haven't even been told why it was renamed initially...

UiruJan 13, 201510 votes

The guys in the Shitty Names Department don't post on the boards and everyone else at Riot is unqualified to speak on the topic of shitty names, therefore no feedback has been received or considered. ~Uiru

l epsilon lJan 13, 20158 votes

The reason behind the name change to Challenger Ahri is the fact that when you see "Challenger," you know the meaning behind the skin. It's the beginning of the season and signals the long trek through the ranks, just as the Championship series demonstrates the end of it. As for "Dauntless," as good as the name sounds, it doesn't fall into the theme of the new name series and doesn't, in this case, mean anything.

DynamiteGazelleJan 13, 201520 votes

I've seem some people already confused over the name because the term 'challenger' is already in use in the Lol-o-sphere a la challenger tier ranked. I've seen comments of people asking if it is for challenger tier players only and, while admittedly stupid, it makes sense why they might think that.

And I don't know why you think dauntless is irrelevant to the start of a new season. To be dauntless is to look forward without fear ready to face the challenges ahead, so imho it's way more fitting.

And regardless of what I think, it seems to me like most people posting on the topic in these boards and the comments I've read over at surrender@20 are overwhelmingly in favor of Dauntless Ahri.

Chromatic EagleJan 13, 20153 votes

challenger tier should've never existed. I still don't know why they call the top tier that instead of replacing it with master or legendary.

MallicJan 13, 20151 votes

Because now they can rip off Smash and go "A new Challenger appears!"

Especially since they're now making it so that the winner of the Challenger series automatically makes it to LCS Worlds.

HèrmitJan 14, 20153 votes

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challenger tier should've never existed. I still don't know why they call the top tier that instead of replacing it with master or legendary.

It's challenger because it's HIGHLY COMPETITIVE, the top 200 of each server, that's a percentage of a percentage of a percentage in league. Masters is what >100D1 was before.

Chromatic EagleJan 14, 20151 votes

But they're the highest ranked in the world. I'm saying that Master and Challenger names should switch places.

GaleWinUnleashedJan 14, 20152 votes

Or perhaps change Challenger to Legendary, and leave Master how it is. It makes sense to me to have the highest possible tier be a reference to the game's name, League of LEGENDS.

1st HanarSpectreJan 13, 20154 votes

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The reason behind the name change to Challenger Ahri is the fact that when you see "Challenger," you know the meaning behind the skin. It's the beginning of the season and signals the long trek through the ranks, just as the Championship series demonstrates the end of it. As for "Dauntless," as good as the name sounds, it doesn't fall into the theme of the new name series and doesn't, in this case, mean anything.

Note that I don't really care personally either way since it's just a name, but Challenger Ahri is more readily associated with the elo rank of the same name rather than the elo grind. You can't have two things with the same name and not expect people to tie them in together.

GaleWinUnleashedJan 14, 20152 votes

It's actually more confusing, due to the fact that "Challenger" is the name of the highest tier in ranked play.

Here's a few questions that will likely be asked by players (despite the fact that some will have been officially answered already):

This skin will be for Challenger-tier only?
But why doesn't her color scheme match the Challenger crest?

... and likely a number of stupider questions about Ahri herself as a Challenger-tier player.

stealthfox94Jan 13, 20154 votes

Why do people care about this so much?

foristJan 13, 20154 votes

Because they called it dauntless during the first release and people really liked that name. I guarantee that if they had started with challenger in the first place no one would be complaining. I agree though, it doesn't matter. More people should be concerned with the fact that they are giving this skin to ahri, when so many other champs are due for a new skin.

hotdamjamJan 13, 20154 votes

I've been waiting for a Rioter to comment on something as well, nothing though. Still, "Challeneger," how can they not see that title be abused as calling someone challenged.

I would like to know if they even are aware of the "Dauntless Ahri" favor compared to "Challenger Ahri."

And even if they did release the skin under "Challenger Ahri," I'm sure the skin would be getting some feedback that gravitates over the abuse of the word Challenged.

QantèsJan 13, 20154 votes

The sad thing is that if you look to all thoses threads (the Ahri splash art ones, the skin name ones, etc.) you don't see a single Rioter post in any of them trying to discuss with the community or to explain things like, "Why was the name changed?", then they say "We want to be the most player-focused game company in the world".

Well, certainly this will help to improve your image....

FLY SlotmachinerJan 14, 20154 votes

Actually Dauntless Ahri was requested by the community to get a name change, because they did not understand how that word really correlated with the beginning of a new season. I was one of them. Challenger Ahri was then revealed and many people hated it because it did not necessarily correlated with Ahri this time. Then people started to state that Dauntless was the best option; now they should have changed it back due to PBE community backlash, and dont expect REDS to come on a live forum to discuss about what is happening in PBE. Sorry for the rant, but it honestly is the truth.

DynamiteGazelleJan 14, 20152 votes

Thanks for the informative comment. Also, I've seen tons of threads of reds talking about PBE content (re: blood moon elise) so I don't think it's asking too much, especially since there are so many people asking.

And I don't think this is a rant at all! It's an informative and respectful post stating facts and your opinions well. No problems here :)

FLY SlotmachinerJan 14, 20151 votes

Thank You, and yeah Reds do come in every once and while to discuss PBE content, but it is prefered IMO in the PBE boards that way it provides less confusion. Maybe they should take in consideration of the rest of the servers however, rather than just PBE, that way, every region has their own inputs. ;)

SukishooJan 14, 20151 votes

Not true at all. REDS come to the forum to discuss everything that is going on. I've seen many go into threads about PBE content questions but you do have a better chance when on the PBE forums.

LevyathynJan 14, 20154 votes

Dauntless is superior, if only because you can challenge something and still be daunted by it, speaking from the point of language. In other words, anyone could be a challenger, but being dauntless is something special.

Just my two cents. (Plus it does sound better)

SmokinSickStyleJan 13, 20153 votes

Riot = D.r. Mundo.

TaylorGaylorJan 13, 20153 votes

Why are so many people getting upset over a name? A skin is about the way it looks. Geez, it's like people who play this game for free think they can make all the decisions.

DynamiteGazelleJan 14, 20151 votes

The people who buy skins aren't the ones playing for free. Anyways Riot invites our comments and opinions on their creations, so why not have a discussion?

Also don't tell me Definitely-not-Blitzcrank would be as awesome with a name like Glasses Blitzcrank. :P It matters to some people

tofutimeJan 14, 20153 votes

I just don't want to seem like a douche who plays challenger Ahri and isn't challenger tier.

AbiwonKenabiJan 14, 20153 votes

Well if you want a reason, Riot and many others have given one: "Dauntless Ahri" just didn't give off the proper theme of "Get ready to climb."

Personally I think neither really fit that theme. I mean there's the confusion of "Challenger" the new skin series and "Challenger" the highest ranked tier. It makes it difficult to explain, and if a skin title is difficult to explain you've got a problem.

However, "Dauntless" is probably more difficult to explain; in the end, it makes sense (a dauntless climb will ultimately lead to victory), but it just doesn't jump out to you as "yes, this skin line 'Dauntless' is to commemorate the beginning of the season." Look at its counterpart line, Championship: I don't really have to explain much, its a skin line to commemorate the League Championship...and further it uses a champion that was significant throughout the season. The Victorious skins: you did it, you got gold, count this season as a "victory", again not much to explain here and again, uses a champion that had a large impact that season. "Dauntless" just doesn't jump out in the same way.

Furthermore, are we supposed to assume Ahri is in a strong position to dominate the season? I'll be honest, I haven't seen many Ahri's lately, and she just doesn't seem to represent this skin line as well as, say, Thresh and Elise did their respective skin lines, or Shyvana and Morgana. I'm assuming that since they created this skin line along the same idea as those two (Victorious and Championship) then similarly they should use a champion with a great deal of impact. To clarify, I'm not saying Ahri is not going to be impactful this season or that she's not strong: I'm just saying it doesn't look that way from this end of Season 5.

Sorry about the rant. Usually this is the part where I try to suggest a fix. Well, obviously Ahri is going to get this skin no matter what...and fair enough, it definitely looks cool. As for the name....I did some thinking about this, and couldn't find any clear solutions. I thought about "Climber Ahri" but that could be taken too literally, like a rock climber; synonyms "Ascension Ahri" or "Ascending Ahri" is a concept already taken up in the lore with Azir and friends. Similarly, "Scaling Ahri" makes it sound like the skin makes Ahri scale better into late game. "Mounting Ahri"....just no.

I thought about picking a "modest" adjective to describe starting at a low rank, but "Plebian Ahri" or "Unassuming Ahri" just didn't seem to fit.

The best name I can think of is "Aspiring Ahri": this skin commemorates the beginning of a season and all the dreams and aspirations we have for it. It doesn't sound as tough as "Dauntless" but I personally think it fits better.

h3gXrKmW8fJan 13, 20152 votes

No1 cares anymore man, does it really matter that much?

SolaxoJan 13, 20152 votes

They don't care about what community wants

YoellaJan 13, 20152 votes

It's probably for contingency reasons. "Challenger" is the name of the entire skin line, not just Challenger Ahri. While I agree with you (and most people) that "Dauntless" just sounds a billion times better "Challenger" is just more mainstreamed. Think of it as being dumbed down for the masses. Riot probably fears two things:

"Dauntless? What's that mean?" - 1/6th of the playerbase, probably. "Challenger? Oh I know what that is!" - Everybody over the age of 9, probably.
For the sake of future champions in the skin line the phrase "dauntless" just might not fit them. Dauntless Maokai vs Challenger Maokai. Dauntless Darius vs Challenger Darius. Dauntless Sejuani vs Challenger Sejuani. While "dauntless" fits Ahri perfectly, it doesn't fit everybody.

Nuclear CorvidJan 13, 20156 votes

Why not just call the entire skin line "Dauntless" if that's the case?

And dauntless can be applied to everyone and sound fine.

YoellaJan 13, 20151 votes

Read my post before you downvote next time, please. You asked why not call it Dauntless and my entire post was ABOUT why they aren't calling it Dauntless.

I don't think "Dauntless Darius" rolls off the tongue as smoothly as "Challenger Darius". Again, that's just personal preference. And while I agree that Dauntless fits Ahri perfectly, that is not the case for every champion. "Challenger" just covers a broader spectrum more effectively. Besides, Riot explained that the Challenger skin line is the anti-thesis of the Championship skin line. Dauntless means you fear nothing, challenger means you're accepting a challenge. Accepting a challenge is what leads to becoming a Champion, thus the correlation between the "Challenger" and "Championship" skin lines.

Nuclear CorvidJan 13, 20156 votes

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Read my post before you downvote next time, please. You asked why not call it Dauntless and my entire post was ABOUT why they aren't calling it Dauntless.

I did read it. Obviously, I think your reasons suck. Especially the one about "Oh, most people won't know what it means."

Seriously, you're on the internet. There are dictionaries on the internet. You can enlighten yourself by this point.

I don't think "Dauntless Darius" rolls off the tongue as smoothly as "Challenger Darius".

If Dauntless Darius doesn't work, what about Challenger Cho'gath? The alliteration that you think is a problem can be applied with nearly any word in the English language by this point, because of the sheer breadth of champions we currently have.

Again, that's just personal preference. And while I agree that Dauntless fits Ahri perfectly, that is not the case for every champion. "Challenger" just covers a broader spectrum more effectively. Besides, Riot explained that the Challenger skin line is the anti-thesis of the Championship skin line. Dauntless means you fear nothing, challenger means you're accepting a challenge. Accepting a challenge is what leads to becoming a Champion, thus the correlation between the "Challenger" and "Championship" skin lines.

Dauntless has the connotation of "Not daunted" i.e. not scared of the challenge placed ahead of you, such as climbing up the messy ladder of ranked. Both can be taken in the way you say Challenger should be taken, except that Dauntless doesn't have the association with the actual Challenger tier that might confuse the more simple/literal minded.

TabsJan 13, 20152 votes

I agree

PureMysticJan 14, 20152 votes

The people who like the name or are justifying are getting negged so does it even matter if people comment aout liking it? It's fine imo... And names change all the time like check skin spotlights youtube, there are many cases where high popularity people get skin name changes like that mecha yasuo etc. people just want a reason to complain from what i see

DynamiteGazelleJan 14, 20151 votes

Well we're the ones buying the skins so I don't see a problem with us having a discussion about it.

ScarletKitty00Jan 14, 20152 votes

Agreed. So much better. I won't buy it if it remains Challenger.

Conus25Jan 14, 20152 votes

I prefer dauntless but I does it really matter if the skin is the same but just has a different name?

AngusTurtleJan 14, 20152 votes

Yes.

TabsJan 14, 20152 votes

It will most likely be the deciding factor if I get the skin or not, the name Dauntless just gives such a different feel to the skin

Der LindwurmJan 13, 20151 votes

She does look like she's totally going to dive bomb some Japanese aircraft carriers.

AltoniaJan 13, 20151 votes

My guess? "Challenger" is going to be a new skin chain. Dauntless Ahri sounds better, but within the grouped theme it'll be better.

SoUdyrlyTerribleJan 13, 20151 votes

Here's your answer.

SukishooJan 14, 20151 votes

Pretty sure the name is finalized as Challenger, as the patch is hitting on Thursday and there's been no indication that they planned on changing it back

DynamiteGazelleJan 14, 20151 votes

Ya, hence this thread wondering why there's been no comment either way :P

The SwedeJan 14, 20151 votes

Yeah. I don't really care as much as other people but I do agree that Dauntless sounds better. I also wonder why rito hasn't changed it yet, but it's still the same skin so it's fine with me.

SukishooJan 14, 20151 votes

Welp patch notes out, name is final. Challenger stays.

ROKXbjrAnVJan 15, 20151 votes

As much as I love Ahri, I really think this skin is ugly AF. I'll be buying it anyway because I love Ahri and own the rest of her skins already, but don't ever plan on using it tbh. Fun fact: Dynasty Ahri has a unique dance not many know about! Cutest dance by far