Does Ashe need a rework?

Son Olivia Hye··6 votes·1,551 views

I feel like she's one of the oldest champions in league so far. Do you guys agree or no?

25 Comments

Sir Bulldog4 votes

Really the only thing that needs to be fixed is her passive...which is pretty much useless because she has to stay out of combat to use it. Maybe make her passive give her increased crit chance like yasuo or something. Late game her passive has very little use as the late game is all about the team fights.

Linna Excel2 votes

Yeah, her passive is a bit weird, but Yasuo's is broken once you get IE and SS. I really don't want any ADC to have a broken passive like that.

dustwind81 votes

her original passive allowed her to build up crit even while in combat. The problem came late game when it would build so fast when combined with her items you were critting every shot. That's why they nerfed her passive to this.

Linna Excel3 votes

No, Ashe's kit is a bit weird compared to other ADCs, but she's in a fine spot and is relatively balanced.

Her pick rate isn't bad and her win rate stays where it should. Ashe's biggest problem isn't Ashe. Ashe's biggest problem is that her players need to have decent mechanics to make use of her.

One important thing to also think about is that even if she got reworked, she's not going to get a gap closer or escape so most people who want her to be reworked will be disappointed. She's not tristana or lucian, and she needs to be played differently from them.

Zeddicus41 votes

Finally someone makes sense, she is a great adc but she isn't some easy to slow ball hyper carry that every one expects now. She simply takes practice and skill to play well then she can be amazing. I like her kit the way it is because it is different than the others and at most I would request a buff for her ad or crit, but she doesn't need a rework

Silverclaw3 votes

Yes. When ahead, Ashe is oppressive with her permakiting and whatnot. When behind, she's useless.

Luckyghost912 votes

the q just needs a little buffin up. maybe if her q after a certain stack of basic attacks were reached it would freeze/snare the opponent in place. and her e just needs to be turned into and aoe damaging spell. like and arrow that she shoots at a target location and shatters on impact damaging if caught in the shatter radius.

those are my opinions. or her E after it's shot into the air would explode creating a ice wall that blocks and ability of the enemy. just wide enough to protect her. to provide her with and escape like Lucian, Jinx, Caitlyn. (most adc's)

trrippy2 votes

I love this, hope riot will see this one

Young Kush Clop1 votes

That's basically Braum's passive, so that's not gonna happen.

Quepha2 votes

No. she has a solid winrate, her damage is quite good even though she's really picked for a very specific niche that no other champion in the game (adc or any other role) really fills

people forget her gold passive when they talk about her damage people assume the enemy has infinite gapclosers and discount her slows people underestimate her ultimate people underestimate what her passive does to trades people underestimate the utility of vision.

actually play her, see why she has one of the higher winrates of any adc and realize that ashe is fine.

Zeddicus41 votes

Thank you. Just thank you.

Sureway1 votes

Honestly, I feel that Ashe needs A LOT of love. She has tons of cc, but, really, she has so little damage that it should be a crime. Add some AD ratios, a q and e that matter, and I would be happy to play her.

Linna Excel1 votes

Most of an ADC's damage is supposed to come from their AAs. Ashe has a longer reach than many other ADCs so you need to think about that too.

Sureway1 votes

I understand that, it's just that she needs an edge to enter competitive play, and seeing another tier 1 champ making it into hardcore tournies is something I's love to see.

NIEKUH1 votes

Bring my ashe some power ohh baby and i will be the winner!!!!

Hex the FenFen1 votes

She def needs a rework, her passive is useless in fights and her q and e are kinda pointless

trrippy1 votes

Yes she needs,if a jungler that ganks her has dashes, she will 90% die. Not everyone so good that can use slow to save himself. her passive is really useless lots of time. Even thought the new ashe doent have a dash, plz at least give her a spell that gives her move speed.

dustwind81 votes

yes, you can keep her kit the same for the most part, though i feel her Q should be switched to her passive (reduced to a stacking formula as to allow more balance) this will free her up for another skill that could be a better escape method... that is her main issue i find. Unless you want to blow your load and use your R (only one target) you most likely wont escape as most played champs have gap closers rendering your slow ineffective since the will just get closer to you and wreck shop.

Linna Excel1 votes

I highly doubt any rework will give her kit another escape method. If you want her to be reworked for that reason, riot isn't going to do it because she plays differently than other ADCs and I think riot likes her uniqueness.

dustwind81 votes

She falls short on every aspect of ADC, she only has one basic damaging ability, an ability that lets you see part of the map for a short time, and a slow that is easily countered with any gap closer. Her ult stuns one target and slows others around them.

She has no steroid, no escape. Her Scout ability is only useful for the passive but even then, not so much when she is too easy to bully under turret thus she will lose creep count. may other champions have better scout abilities with lower CD and longer durations.

They need to fix everything on her, i am simply pointing out a way that would vastly improve her, not fix everything.

She is so underpowered and needs some love.

Linna Excel3 votes

Calling a champ who is sitting on a 51% win rate underpowered is just odd at best.

Ryokosan1 votes

she totally need a rework and VU. i'd change everything besides the W.

Jungle Lux God1 votes

If Ashe needs any sort of rework, she should only get a rework to her Q and her passive.

Her passive is not very useful, as she wants to keep auto attacking, but the passive needs to be charged out of combat. It's counterproductive to the ADC role.

Her Q, on the other hand, provides her with a mechanic that is inherently unhealthy for the game in the form of a permanent slow, and because it is permanent it needs to be weak. A more impactful slow on a lower uptime would be much healthier for Ashe than what her Frost Shot is now.

Otherwise, she doesn't need a rework. She has a cool niche as an ADC focused on teamfight control and initiation, and that niche should and likely will remain as long as she's a champion in League of Legends.

Young Kush Clop1 votes

Why would she need a rework, she's already a bad pick in Ranked so if Riot slipped up while reworking her then practically no one would use her.

Malkmus7101 votes

I don't think she needs a full rework, just change that stupid hawkshot and its passive. I don't want to have to build a (mostly) useless skill to get a passive perk.

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