I got exited today when I saw Soulcrushed had started a discussion on Poppy's character, because I like her and thought I had input that most people didn't think about. However, then I noticed it was on the NA forums. Creating discussions like that on the NA forums when you have the international boards is really neglecting a big part of your playerbase and I am personally not ok with this.
Pryotra6 voteslol, you sound like GD when they (Reds) only posted in the boards about anything and everything.
Not everyone likes the leddit style, and only recently did they even start fixing chronomode (not done yet). At risk of sounding repetitive, I'll remind you what GD was told when they complained.
The Boards are our new testing ground for community interaction. Rioters are not required to use the Boards, nor are they required to use Reddit or GD. They may post where ever they like, but most likely they will post where they feel most comfortable.
Perhaps instead of raising pitchforks, you should be bribing him. Or bribe the Boards team to finish chronomode.
Also, I highly doubt that this was done to spite you. NA GD easily outpaces the boards for overall traffic, and EVERY rioter claims that the forums in general are the minority of the playerbase. He probably wanted the largest sample he could get on the forums, and NA GD is simply that, EU playerbase or no.
Earl Eulrich3 votesWell, i don´t think it had been his intend to purposefully leave out EU - but it´s just something that is happening for years now. Every Champion-discussion gets hosted NA-only, all EU is getting are promises to improve communications/feedback between Riot and EU - just nothing happens to back up those promises. So this is just something that further annoys a lot of the playerbase in EU specifically, thouhg it sure is hard to grasp without having the EU-GD-history in mind.
These Boards are just such a good way to get the english-speaking-community all together, so it´s probably the biggest hope for anyone in EU to solve this sort of communication-crisis that´s been going on for years - and it would be nice to see Riot treating it as such, valueing all their players equal instead of handing out goodies to NA and promises to everyone else.
Pryotra2 votesHey, I get it! It sucks to be ignored, and if you feel ignored you should let Riot know. This is coming from a S1 Heimer main, so you can understand where I come from when I say this. Keep talking about it, because that is the only way they know it is still an issue.
That said, GD has been complaining for almost a year straight now due to 95% of serious discussion, some of which directly affects them as a community, has been done either on reddit or here on the Boards. They have been pretty vocal about it, so I'm not surprised someone lent an ear and posted something significant over there.
I realize this has been a complaint from EU since league began, but that is why they are creating the boards. It just takes time, and a good helping of patience.
At the end of the day, I get it. You feel let down again, and you aren't happy that it keeps happening. However, these boards are the direction that they have needed to take for a while in order to improve communication as a whole. This has been a pretty risky move for them too, as they kinda cut off communication from large swaths of their community in order to make it happen. Hopefully, the risk pays off, and not only EU, but other communities like Latin America and possibly eventually East Asia (if China ever relents on their censorship).
Flemman6 votesif you want the largest sample, you go where you can find it. And, sorry to disappoint you but, making a thread on actual GD leading to a thread here, on the boards, would bring more poeple than a NA stuff only
Pryotra1 votesWhile that certainly is a possibility, I've seen how they do that lately over there. It's pretty painful, and quite honestly, I don't think it can support more than 1 at once. Rioters have mentioned constantly how shaky the system is over there due to their abuse of the system.
Considering that #1 priority is for them to show off New GD to get people to start the transfer, it's not going to be changed for a rework. And if you take the forums as they are now, vbulletin GD still beats the boards for traffic, though that may change in the coming days.
Flemman4 votesReally sad, they should have name the thread
NA Poppy players make yourself heard!
Here it's just once again disrepect over euw player and the Boards team who give them this tool to communicate with all of us, he should be shamefull
When I got this answars on a previous thread, i got some hope http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/site-feedback/qs1EJbph-question-to-rioter-boards-utilisation?comment=00000002
Unfortunatelly, the fail once again.....
Angry Monster4 votesGuess what these are beta forums and a very small % of the people use them. If you want to contribute make a thread is here and say @_____rioter. Their are quite a few reds that only check the beta boards and would forward your comment to the person if it had a valid opinion or get said person to jump into your thread.
Instead of stepping up and trying to get your thoughts out their, you decided to whine. No one but your self, stopped your from making a beta thread. You could of got the conversation going here. Their is a segment of the people (like me ) who avoid the normal boards completely. Threads that have merit usually get up-voted and get noticed.
But now i feel that your input probably had no real worth. After all you choose to make a complaint thread without even trying to get involved in other ways. You could of stepped up but chose to complain. You could of lead but decided to say why you couldn't. You are the reason you are not involved not this rioter.
Flemman5 votesThe fact will still remain that it will not be an "official riot thread about a character".
Of course we can do it, but the rioter will only check his own thread for efficiency.
If you don't understand why make those thread in the beta boards instead of the NA or EU forum is better for all of us, well, I can't help you
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Earl Eulrich3 votesThe beta boards are BETA. Most people do not use them. Rioters like real people have access to their home server for their accounts. If this rioter wants to reach more than 50 passionate poppy players then the normal boards are the way to go. The beta boards are a minority of a minority.
This is absolutely not true for offical threads, especially if they´re linked on Sur@20 and similar pages (which those discussions usually do) they often end up with 5-6digit views and a ton of comments (just look at the "ranked restrictions"-announcement...not even a day old and 100k+ views).
Flemman3 votesDon't try to talk with him, we are low trash eu player for him, we don't deserve any kind of respect from his point of view :p
Earl Eulrich1 votesIt´s a Forum, I replay to his text/opinion...not to him personally ;) You can never know who´ll read through it.
Angry Monster2 votesSo what. Views are meaningless when you want input.
Earl Eulrich3 votesThis is about how Riot neglects 80+% of their playerbase by only prioritizing NA with a lot of these discussions. Sure, you can allways try to reach out to them by other means - but that doesn´t change the fact that they prefer reaching out to NA only themseles this way...despite they sure spent some effort to create these Boards specifically to fix a lot of issues their communication on GD suffers.
Angry Monster2 votesSure it is..... not.
Riots head quarters are in NA. NA used to be the central server for NA, korea, pacific islands, china, and latin america. I am sorry that their out dated system did not grow fast enough for you whinny EU kids. (not really sry). Yes in season 3 a lot of local servers popped up. Adding servers does not mean easily changing whole infrastructure. NA is also where corporate head quarters are. Their are a lot of reasons why NA boards are the primary focus.
Making a bad call to talk to a super minority on this system is not going get the feed back numbers that that Riot needs. Also if you think riot only is gathering data from the NA forums you are retarded. They consistently get feed back from focus groups in all regions.
Riot has clearly said that the forums are just a vocal minority and are just loud. The noise that the forums generates is not the sole deciding factor on any issue. These boards are just a minority of a minority and you can not get meaningful data from such a small subset.
Riot is not looking for individual thoughts. They are looking for greatest agreement. They are looking for what traits most people can agree on for a rework. If you have a great story of what you think poppy is but flies in the face of majority opinion, riot will never use it.
cshakes4 votesEUW has more players than NA iirc.
Trylobyte4 votesI speak for a lot of players worldwide when I say this: We have international forums?
Earl Eulrich3 votesThese Boards work/will work for everyone (or at least i´ve seen OCE, EUNE, EUW and NA so far).
Angry Monster2 votestheir is not going to be a true international forums. Its going to be divide by langue.
Daen2 votesGenerally that's how it works, yes. It's difficult to participate in long-form communication if you don't speak the same language as many of the other users.
Earl Eulrich3 votesI completely agree, there´s really no reason to not use the Boards for such discussions - especially as Riot specifically created those Boards for having easier access to what´s important for them in a discussion. It really is a huge upset for everyone outside of NA to see that they are still not wanted to participate in any design-discussion, making them somewhat 2nd rate customers.
Bronze Johnny3 votesI was about to make the same thread. Realy Riot not only NA player want to contribute. Everytime NA players get the better when it somes to Champ discusions.
Tiropat3 votesThis was not Riots call it was soulcrushed's call. if you want your oppinion to be heard by him try making an "@soulcrushed we like poppy to" thread on the beta and lure him over.
Earl Eulrich1 votesThis is usually something you learn if you start working for any company...if you make any action as a professional you represent your employer. If he posts on his official Riot-Account then he represents Riot as a whole. So...I´m not saying this is Soulcrushed´s fault - but from an EU-point of view it´s unavoidable to feel let down/ignored from Riot as a whole yet again.
Tiropat1 votesWhile it is true that he represents a company; he is doing this entirely because he wants to. No one at Riot made him go to any part of the community and ask what players think, he is asking because he wants to know. Reds who pick GD over the beta boards or Reddit do it because that is where they normally hang out and just browse cool content or ideas.
To reiterate don't take this as a statement from Riot, it was just one guy who didn't think though the entirety of possible approaches before looking for opinions.
Earl Eulrich1 votesThough they could certainly advise/train their employees in order to avoid these sort of situations. It´s a company-policy thing and that´s indeed Riots fault as a whole, not the fault of the individual that starts a thread on GD for his own legit reasons.
Tiropat2 votesthe Riot policy is that they want their employes to feel comfortable when and if they choose to communicate, so they have no policy.
Flemman2 votesthey just never learn....
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=50202310#post50202310
Foidewall2 votesI compleatly agree, and it´s not only the Poppy tread, also the soraka
feedback tread was on the NA forum http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4893028
