About Down Voting and Becoming a Community

Stacona·Dec 24, 2014·3 votes·329 views

tl;dr : let's make the forums into a good and health community that likes helping each other out

This is to grant ideas to discourage down voting on posts (more like complete removal) of what I like to call improper down voting where there is no feedback left behind to help the poster improve.

So the system will change to if you want to down vote a post then you HAVE to write a comment first and if you write just a random spam comment just to have access to down voting for that post then you can also risk getting banned from the forums, simple as that. Because people who do not want to cooperate, work together, and be a part of the community and society; and all they want to do is be mean to others then they can be shunned from the community, err forums. So this should flush out the cruel people that do not actually give a dam about helping others out and should theoretically leave behind a good, healthy community that would actually want to help each other out. Plus with at least one comment posted for that particular post in order to activate down votes for that user should also reveal who are the down voting trolls as well so that the forums can be cleansed of the trolls and send them back under the interwebs bridge where they belong, out of sight and out of mind; until they decide that they want to behave and actually be a part of a community.

~ Stacona

20 Comments

AlljoyDec 25, 20146 votes

On a tangential note, It's somewhat amusing how I felt the urge to downvote by just reading the thread title's mouseover text.

Reverse psychology is funny like that.

StaconaDec 25, 20141 votes

So you are saying you want this community to be a sht hole detroit community

AlljoyDec 25, 20142 votes

I think, given my tangent on the topic, I'm kind of indifferent since I just come here to watch the shit-flinging when I'm bored. But maybe Detroit is an exaggeration, because I don't think people are going to get stabbed for their shoes here, do you?

StaconaDec 25, 20141 votes

Stab for the shoes, and stab multiple more times, kill it, and stab some more for the underwear too

AlljoyDec 25, 20142 votes

If we're still going with the Detroit analogy, consider it like this.

Between you and me, you're walking around dressed like a hipster right out of Starbucks with a mac notebook, but I'm butt naked.

I've got nothing to worry about.

TeemoJenkinsDec 24, 20143 votes

If someone posts "OMG NERF CHAMP TOO OP" and I disagree, I will downvote without explanation as these threads 99% of the time are someone that simple got dumpstered in a game and as a knee jerk reaction cried to the forums about it. No constructive feedback about the champ, no suggestions for change, just screaming "NERF" is a thread that needs a downvote and move on.

Requiring intellectual discussion on a gaming forum is like looking for intelligence in a Pauly Shore movie. Glad your heart is in the right place, but don't feel peoples morale or internet junk rating is pinioned to the up / down vote button.

StaconaDec 24, 20141 votes

then report it as spam- derp besides for the obviously report-able posts, the system would help with preventing mindlessly down voting posts and create a proper community for the forums instead of creating an environment where bullies bully everyone and the bullies jerk off because they just bullied people

just saying 'omg op champ, rito pls nerf' is a spam post and you can report it --- i am talking about posts where people actually care and put thought into and bullies just come along and downvote the post without giving a dam because they are only bullies and do not care about having a good community they only care about themselves, having fun from someone's pain (sadistic), and just wanting the world to straight up burn around them

Hyrum GraffDec 25, 20142 votes

Not every post fits neatly into 'spam' or 'thoughtful,' though. There are low-quality posts (will link one when I'm not on mobile) that don't deserve to be removed, but don't necessarily deserve responses, either.

StaconaDec 25, 20141 votes

Then give feedback to help them improve - so either the post needs to be improved with feedback or reported because it is spam- there is three grounds and only three ground, good and gets upvoted, bad gets downvoted and there is not feedback when there should be feedback because that is all the post needs to be made good, and then there are troll/spam posts which should be report (a fourth term is the post is complete sht and gets upvoted to oblivion, the reddit is too famous for this of letting the sht make it the front page and good content never sees the light of day)

DrCyanideDec 25, 20143 votes

Wait... Is OP actually saying we should be forced to feed the trolls? Because that's what I'm reading.

Down votes are simply opinions. If I agree with your point, I up vote you. If I disagree, I down vote you. If I'm neutral on it, I don't vote.

If your policy was in place, the number of up votes would dramatically out number the amount of down votes. One person would post something false/trollish/not well thought out, and you would require ten or more people berating them for that comment to get them to gather enough negative votes for people to instantly know it's not worth reading. Alternatively, people will just not post, but up vote a single counter argument. At that point it's a tug of war for most up votes. Contrast that to the current system, where a single well conducted reply can be made, allowing people to down vote the false/trollish/not well thought out and up vote the true/counter-troll/well thought it post. The contrast alone speaks volumes about the content of the posts.

StaconaDec 25, 20141 votes

Well made posts are not troll posts, if you disagree you need to give feed back to help the person improve --- if it is a troll post or spammy post you just report it

DrCyanideDec 25, 20142 votes

If someone else perfectly stated why I disagree with a post, why should I be forced to clutter up the comment section with useless babble just to down vote? That's the part I'm not getting.

StaconaDec 25, 20141 votes

THEN DO NOT DOWNVOTE THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT TO THIS, EITHER BE CONSTRUCTIVE OR BE NEUTRAL

DrCyanideDec 25, 20142 votes

Then up votes lose their value, since everyone can up vote but only people willing to post what they think is constructive will be allowed to down vote.

You're going to need a systematic way to determine if a post is "constructive" as well. "Listen to your Diamond overlords, Bronze scum" is considered by some in the community to be constructive, giving them permission to down vote you.

Preventing down votes doesn't seem like the best way to improve the forum community.

StaconaDec 25, 20141 votes

you just need to know the difference between spam and not spam- it is obvious between what is a legit comment and what is not-- a lot of social sites do not even have a downvote option

SnolenDec 25, 20142 votes

Mkay.

This post is too oversensitive, we don't need to respond with an explanation to downvoting.

Yulen XoshxiusDec 25, 20142 votes

Then how can they learn to stop making such bad threads if they do not know where to improve?

SnolenDec 25, 20143 votes

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Then how can they learn to stop making such bad threads if they do not know where to improve?

That's not my problem, it shouldn't be mine or anyone's job to do so...

Yulen XoshxiusDec 25, 20142 votes

There is a reason there are differences in constructive criticism and being rude.

Yulen XoshxiusDec 25, 20141 votes

It may also be nice if we were required to make a comment on why we upvote/downvote and can see why other people voted the way they did.