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So you deleted my thread, telling me it should be on a different board.

Lucky··46 votes·2,591 views

Couldnt you of moved it for me? Or at least tell me what board it should be on? I even stated in my thread that i wasnt really sure where it should be. Do you want me to just repost it on every single board to see where it wont get deleted? yes im mad.

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SmokingPuffin6 votes

The mod team they have is clearly new to this moderating thing. Probably they are fresh out of training and Monday was their first day of real work actually moderating something.

This is a bit like handing a rifle to a kid and making them part of D-Day right after basic. Works about as well too.

Try to cut them some slack for now, it'll probably get better with time.

Hyrum Graff3 votes

I think the idea is that you should read the board guidelines and figure out for yourself where it belongs, so you know for next time. That being said, when there's unclear cases, this makes for a frustrating experience.

Also, what Daen said about Riot's plans for player-created boards in the future.

SmokingPuffin1 votes

I think the idea is that you should read the board guidelines and figure out for yourself where it belongs, so you know for next time. That being said, when there's unclear cases, this makes for a frustrating experience.

Yup. This just happened to me. It was a frustrating experience.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

Any idea how they could implement this better? Because I do agree that if the policy is to simply move threads, it doesn't help people think for themselves about where things really belong.

My idea was that the thread should be temporarily deleted, and that OP should be temporarily given the power to undelete and move the thread to a different board. That way, OP has to think about where the thread belongs, but doesn't lose the previous comments and votes.

SmokingPuffin2 votes

Any idea how they could implement this better? Because I do agree that if the policy is to simply move threads, it doesn't help people think for themselves about where things really belong.

My idea was that the thread should be temporarily deleted, and that OP should be temporarily given the power to undelete and move the thread to a different board. That way, OP has to think about where the thread belongs, but doesn't lose the previous comments and votes.

In addition, I want the mod to recommend a board to put the thread on. Should be a simple matter to give the mod a selection box in the mod tool that lets them indicate this at minimal inconvenience.

The poster should still need to take some action to move the thread, but I really don't like this model of resubmitting the thread until it sticks. Bad for us, bad for them.

Also, I worry that on these unclear cases, different mods are moderating different boards, and we'll end up in a situation where mod A thinks it should be on X, and mod B thinks it should be on Y. With the current system, the user will be super frustrated and the mods won't even know it's happening. Much better to have a paper trail of moderation actions on a thread than to have the user remake the thread anew because of this.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

Also, I worry that on these unclear cases, different mods are moderating different boards, and we'll end up in a situation where mod A thinks it should be on X, and mod B thinks it should be on Y. With the current system, the user will be super frustrated and the mods won't even know it's happening. Much better to have a paper trail of moderation actions on a thread than to have the user remake the thread anew because of this.

In the current implementation, I agree. But, as Daen said, in the long term, riot intends to let us make our own boards, with our own guidelines (although everything will, of course, follow the universal rules). If something violates those guidelines, we'll report it to mods, who will then read the guidelines, decide if we're right about the violation, and take the appropriate action.

Since player-made boards aren't ready yet, Riot is forced to try to come up with boards that fit our communities themselves, and that's where these issues arise: because we aren't defining the communities / board guidelines ourselves, we have to try to understand what Riot intended each board to be for, which isn't necessarily easy.

An example of how it will work in the future is the Role-Playing board. You'll notice it's not listed on the right, yet (the link is accessible through the old RPing forums). That's because they're in the process of defining their own guidelines.

SmokingPuffin1 votes

In the current implementation, I agree. But, as Daen said, in the long term, riot intends to let us make our own boards, with our own guidelines (although everything will, of course, follow the universal rules). If something violates those guidelines, we'll report it to mods, who will then read the guidelines, decide if we're right about the violation, and take the appropriate action.

This sounds pretty appealing. I think player made boards are spiffy.

That said, I think this moderation policy will still be a problem, because they need to have a top-level set of boards they define like "help & support", "board feedback", and so on. Pretty sure we need something better than guess and check moderation here.

An example of how it will work in the future is the Role-Playing board. You'll notice it's not listed on the right, yet (the link is accessible through the old RPing forums). That's because they're in the process of defining their own guidelines.

Checking it out.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

That said, I think this moderation policy will still be a problem, because they need to have a top-level set of boards they define like "help & support", "board feedback", and so on. Pretty sure we need something better than guess and check moderation here.

Agreed.

SecretAgentHulk2 votes

It would be nice if instead of deleting it, it could be suspended or something until it is moved to a different board. I had the same thing happen to me on my first post, and it was not a welcoming experience.

Daen3 votes

I'm unsure of why this was downvoted, it's true. I'm not sure how feasible it would be for moderators to move instead of deleting (in my experience it's almost a negligible difference) on this platform, but it is a pretty significant difference in player perception.

My personal opinion is that it's worth the work, but keep in mind Riot also has very different plans for the Boards. They want each board to have its own ecosystem and its own set of rules, which means that moving threads between them could disrupt that balance. I think we'll have to wait and see how it functions once the implementation they want is, well, implemented.

SecretAgentHulk2 votes

I'd even be OK with a suspension until I move the thread. Deletion, though, is something you should only do if a thread shouldn't exist at all.

Hyrum Graff2 votes

I am also a fan of suspensions.

  • Mod suspends a thread
  • OP gets notification (wrong board)
  • In notification is a link to a tool where OP can move their own thread (once)

Now OP still has to think hard about which board their thread belongs in, but doesn't lose all the comments and


What Daen said is also true; with the perspective of "eventually there will be player-made boards," moving a thread might not make sense, since we'll define our own board guidelines. But in the meantime, I think moving threads is important to the health of these boards.

redniwediS1 votes

What was your post about?

Lucky2 votes

What was your post about?

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4462108 I posted this on maps&modes. Maybe it wasnt the right one(ALTHOUGH, I just did a search and found a thread using the same picture on it, not deleted http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/summoners-rift/yHLigXpx-idea-new-advanced-pings), but i cannot understand why they cant just move it.

I Main Swain1 votes

The other one only slipped past the mods because it was four months ago when the boards were in beta with a much smaller community. So there were less mods, and they were less strict. To answer where it should be, it should be in gameplay and balance. As for why they can't just move it, rito op idk. I feel like after designing their own boards they should be able to stick the feature in if it isn't there already

0AppleJuice02 votes

What was your post about?

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4462108 I posted this on maps&modes. Maybe it wasnt the right one(ALTHOUGH, I just did a search and found a thread using the same picture on it, not deleted http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/summoners-rift/yHLigXpx-idea-new-advanced-pings), but i cannot understand why they cant just move it.

i like that idea a lot. I hope they implement that system or something similar to that. item 3025 (< supposed to be a bump... or something similar to a thumbs up)

MorikTheMad2 votes

I know when I go to ping something, I just hit my ping key, click, flick my mouse in the correct direction, and release the click. With more than the 4 cardinal directions, I'd have to be a lot more precise when pinging. Depending on the current situation, such precision may not be a good idea (if I'm jungling and suddenly the enemy jungler jumps out and I'm juking/fighitng/etc, and want to ping help, I don't want to have to spend any extra time making sure my ping is actually the help ping.)

The two different ping keys would help a lot with that.

One improvement to that picture: Instead of having a button with ult up in times, make the tab display also put up the ult cooldown of all allied champions next to their portrait. Could also have the portrait flash in the normal screen with specific times like "30" "10" "5".

Hyrum Graff1 votes

The 4 month old thread probably wasn't deleted because they hadn't really brought the mod team over yet at that point.

SticklerMac1 votes

You clearly have enough time on your hands.

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