So, people who cry about "toxicity"...

Niyumi·Apr 25, 2017·6 votes·1,630 views

I got a question for ya.

If it's "toxic" to pick on people and freak out in chat... is it not toxic when all of the people who cry about toxicity gang up on people WITH RIOT and pick on them as they get punished?

Like... I don't get the hypocrisy. But then I suppose it's about the same as SJWs or feminazis.

When someone is banned or suspended or given a chat restriction and posts about it on the forums, Tantrum (Tantram) goes and posts logs and acts all holier-than-thou and has his posse of kids help him pick on people. We frown upon naming and shaming, we don't want you to pick on people, we want you to be nice... but none of that applies in this case, I suppose.

Before I played League, I never even heard the term "toxic" outside of chemistry / biology. So, I gotta wonder if the whole "toxicity" issue is created by people who freak out about it. I played WoW for 14 years, and people there were assholes, but there wasn't this big group of people who had tantrums, so trolls eventually just got bored and stopped. Anything more serious would get them muted by a GM (not permabanned for something silly like chat, you know).

I don't understand why League players make such a big deal about toxicity, and gang up on people left and right. You do know that negative attention is what a troll or asshole is after, right? I also don't understand how you can expect people to follow rules you don't follow yourself, and punish them if they don't while never being punished yourself.

52 Comments

MartensiticApr 25, 20177 votes

If it's "toxic" to pick on people and freak out in chat... is it not toxic when all of the people who cry about toxicity gang up on people WITH RIOT and pick on them as they get punished?

Correct.

Same as it is not toxic to put criminals into jail, and have their crimes announced publicly.

Its called "punishment" for a reason.

SecondAirbaneApr 25, 20171 votes

more like cowardess

then again how would i have heard about tyler1 if he wasnt publicly shamed lmao

MartensiticApr 25, 20177 votes

It is "cowardly" to punish people for their crimes?

Explain.

SecondAirbaneApr 25, 20171 votes

nah cowardly to make a big deal out of it

just punish and move on

MartensiticApr 25, 20174 votes

Suppose you own a company. 5 people apply for a job.

One of them is a convicted criminal. Would you like to know which one?

If your answer is yes, you realized why your argument is wrong.

SecondAirbaneApr 25, 20171 votes

so what if hes a criminal i dont give a fuck if hes good at his job ill hire him

MartensiticApr 25, 20171 votes

Uh huh, sure.

Because, that's what everyone else does too.

Oh wait...nobody is doing that.

SecondAirbaneApr 25, 20171 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/qoOPwXFQ-banned-for-this parody of 1 of my ban games last year

if it gets 10 dislikes ill make the nidalee parody

MartensiticApr 25, 20171 votes

good.

PaquayApr 25, 20174 votes

You'd give a fuck if you understood the word "liability".

AnomanderApr 25, 20174 votes

Haven't you heard? People are not responsible for their own actions anymore............

I mean if I hire a thief to work at a bank it's not my fault if he robs it......

PaquayApr 25, 20173 votes

Well, clearly it's ok as long as he's good at his job. ;)

What's that? You're great with kids? Screw those drug felonies. Who cares if you have 3 assault charges, I'm sure you'd make a great mediator! Embezzlement? Doesn't matter as long as our stocks go up. You're hired!

See, it works for so many scenarios, lol.

sirwaterflesApr 26, 20171 votes

NO , someone that has ever done something wrong should be shunned for ever from our sociaty and bannished to fend for himself in the wild. That will help him reform his ways and make sure he never does anything wrong again.

eldurisApr 25, 20175 votes

Right, there's no chance hiring someone who was convicted of grand larceny would ever come back to bite you in the rear.

sirwaterflesApr 26, 20171 votes

Aight but if someone gets released and has to fend for his own again after some years in prison and nobody hires him because of this reasoning doesnt that just greatly increases his chances of relapsing back into his old ways?

This Is Your DadApr 25, 20171 votes

Plot twist: He steals all your shit and then murders you and burns your house to the ground because you told him he should get a haircut.

AnomanderApr 25, 20171 votes

Hmm i would think that making it aware to the public(when the punished bring it to the public forum) a great deterrent to this type of behavior.

NiyumiApr 25, 20171 votes

Okay, but we're not talking about criminals here. We're talking about people who were deemed unworthy of being in the game for being "toxic"... and then you go and be "toxic" right back, and it's totally fine?

Something doesn't add up there.

MartensiticApr 25, 20176 votes

The people who make, manage and develop this game get to make the rules. Enforcing compliance with these rules is not "toxic" its their goddamn right.

When someone visits my house, I tell him to take off his shoes. If he refuses to take them off, I throw him out. My Roof, My Rules. End of story.

NiyumiApr 25, 20171 votes

Say you have this GIANT issue with shoes in the house (because they make it dirty), to the point that you throw people out of your house and have security keep them a mile away if they even walk into your house with shoes on. Yet, you wear shoes all the time that are covered in mud, and berate other people for doing exactly what you're doing -- and you have a group of people that live in your house and wear shoes all the time as well that add snide remarks and whatnot while you berate people.

Now, imagine that house is a hotel, with public access.

What would you think of it, if you weren't the owner freaking out at everyone for wearing shoes while he and his posse do? Probably wouldn't wanna go there, huh?

MartensiticApr 25, 20175 votes

Yet, you wear shoes all the time that are covered in mud, and berate other people for doing exactly what you're doing -- and you have a group of people that live in your house and wear shoes all the time as well that add snide remarks and whatnot while you berate people.

Wrong on 3 counts.

The people posting here are not the ones who got punished. We play by the rules.
The forums are governed by a different set of rules than the ingame client. Otherwise, permabannd people wouldn't be able to post here. People who come here to (usually) complain, lie and argue about their completely warranted bans, cannot expect soft voices in response...especially not considering how miserable they made the game for others. Yes, punishments also deliver a measure of revenge for society, even if that is not their primary purpose.
Even if I were to run around my house completely covered in mud...it would still be my house, and my rules, and I am not compelled to bestow the same liberties on others.

Probably wouldn't wanna go there, huh?

And wrong on a 4th count. 100+ million people like to go here.

NiyumiApr 25, 20171 votes

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Wrong on 3 counts.

The people posting here are not the ones who got punished. We play by the rules.

Is harassment against the rules? You bet! Yet they harass people daily.

The forums are governed by a different set of rules than the ingame client. Otherwise, permabannd people wouldn't be able to post here. People who come here to (usually) complain, lie and argue about their completely warranted bans, cannot expect soft voices in response...especially not considering how miserable they made the game for others. Yes, punishments also deliver a measure of revenge for society, even if that is not their primary purpose.

Yet the forums still have rules. And when those rules are broken on a daily basis in the behavior forums, often by Tantrum, with no repercussions, then something is up.

Even if I were to run around my house completely covered in mud...it would still be my house, and my rules, and I am not compelled to bestow the same liberties on others.

Oh but it's not just your house. It's a public hotel.

And wrong on a 4th count. 100+ million people like to go here.

Actually, that hotel would go out of business, on account of beyond horrible customer service. League is different because a lot of people don't even look at the forums, and don't see people being asshats. In a hotel, you'd see it happening.

MartensiticApr 25, 20173 votes

Is harassment against the rules? You bet! Yet they harass people daily.

If you think so, feel free to use the report-function (yes the boards have one as well). If nothing happens, then that means you were wrong. Because whats "harassment", and what isn't, is decided by the people who run this board.

Yet the forums still have rules. And when those rules are broken on a daily basis in the behavior forums, often by Tantrum, with no repercussions, then something is up.

Again, feel free to use the report option. But keep in mind that your personal perception of what you think is "against the rules", is irrelevant. You don't make the rules here.

Actually, that hotel would go out of business, on account of beyond horrible customer service. League is different because a lot of people don't even look at the forums, and don't see people being asshats. In a hotel, you'd see it happening.

By that logic, everyone who is posting here, would leave the game.

Yet we see the same posters day in and day out.

How do you explain that?

AnomanderApr 25, 20177 votes

Tantram or any Rioter will not post logs unless one of several things happen.

They are requested by the player.
They are given permission by the player to post.
The player falsifies a record of chat logs

These are the only times Riot will post chat logs. They will ask the player to post them to have a HONEST discussion about them.

Before I played League, I never even heard the term "toxic" outside of chemistry / biology. So, I gotta wonder if the whole "toxicity" issue is created by people who freak out about it. I played WoW for 14 years, and people there were assholes, but there wasn't this big group of people who had tantrums, so trolls eventually just got bored and stopped. Anything more serious would get them muted by a GM.

Blizzard has perma banned players for the same type of behavior seen in League. While in general it is less common to see a ban in WOW it does happen. There was a huge ban wave because of the use of "Anal" and achievement links in all chat.

Perma banning players from games goes back a lot farther then you might think. Games like Meridian 59 and Ultima Online had cases of players banned for extreme toxic behavior also know as Griefing back in the day. I know for a fact that players in Ultima Online were banned for racist and death threats. They were also sometimes put in a "time out" island by gms where they would lose that character and character slot until a Gm felt they had learned a lesson.

This has nothing to do with SJW or any other proverbial group you might want to name. This has to do with what RIOT and the Community of League has determined as unacceptable behavior. The Instant feedback system learns from our reports about what the "playerbase" determines is toxic.

I don't understand why League players make such a big deal about toxicity, and gang up on people left and right. You do know that negative attention is what a troll or asshole is after, right? I also don't understand how you can expect people to follow rules you don't follow yourself, and punish them if they don't while never being punished yourself.

While at times it does seem that it is "ganging" up on the player. However keep in mind that they brought the issue to the boards. The boards mostly respond with accurate feedback on why the punished player received the punishment.

I also personally believe that MOST of the people are trying to give a honest answer to the person posting.

Just because you don't like the answer doesn't make it wrong.

NiyumiApr 25, 20172 votes

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Tantram or any Rioter will not post logs unless one of several things happen.

They are requested by the player.

They are given permission by the player to post.

The player falsifies a record of chat logs

These are the only times Riot will post chat logs. They will ask the player to post them to have a HONEST discussion about them.

Not true. Tantrum will act all smug and say something like, "Oh you forgot this one! You really shouldn't have. posts log Now if you wanna talk toxicity, let's look at this one."

Blizzard has perma banned players for the same type of behavior seen in League. While in general it is less common to see a ban in WOW it does happen. There was a huge ban wave because of the use of "Anal" and achievement links in all chat.

I've never seen it happen in 14 years, and I was always on the most populated servers. And do you want to know why people were banned for the whole anal crap (and most of them weren't even banned, just suspended for a while)? It's because you actually couldn't use the chat with all the spam going on. It wasn't because of "toxicity" it was because of people being trolls.

Perma banning players from games goes back a lot farther then you might think. Games like Meridian 59 and Ultima Online had cases of players banned for extreme toxic behavior also know as Griefing back in the day. I know for a fact that players in Ultima Online were banned for racist and death threats. They were also sometimes put in a "time out" island by gms where they would lose that character and character slot until a Gm felt they had learned a lesson.

Griefing is in no way related to chat. It was when you did things that ACTUALLY ruin the game experience for other people. People back then had thicker skin, and just muted you or laughed at your pathetic attempts to troll. GMs did do things like that, but you didn't get banned for chat, you just had to cool off a bit. You might get muted for a while at most.

This has nothing to do with SJW or any other proverbial group you might want to name. This has to do with what RIOT and the Community of League has determined as unacceptable behavior. The Instant feedback system learns from our reports about what the "playerbase" determines is toxic.

It's entirely about SJW crap. In my 14 years of WoW, I said the f***ot word more times than I can count, and I've said a lot of things. Wanna know how people reacted? Oh, right, they didn't. People didn't care what words you used so long as you weren't actively attacking anyone. SJW kiddies, on the other hand (a good portion of the League community), freak the fuck out if you say the wrong word, and call for the most severe punishments. Well, guess what? Most gays don't actually give a fuck what you say -- only the vain, petty ones that are extremely vocal do.

The whole "hate speech" thing? Yeah, that wasn't a thing 10-15 years ago. And it still isn't a thing in a lot of Conservative cities and areas, 'cause uh, you know, it's kind of childish and stupid to freak out about words.

While at times it does seem that it is "ganging" up on the player. However keep in mind that they brought the issue to the boards. The boards mostly respond with accurate feedback on why the punished player received the punishment.

I also personally believe that MOST of the people are trying to give a honest answer to the person posting.

Just because you don't like the answer doesn't make it wrong.

'cause posting icons of smite and praising Tantrum for being an asshat is giving honest feedback. Yeah. And saying "Oh look at that! You got what you deserved" is also very helpful. It's just a big gang bang, and nothing more.

AeroWaffleApr 25, 20177 votes

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Not true. Tantrum will act all smug and say something like, "Oh you forgot this one! You really shouldn't have. posts log Now if you wanna talk toxicity, let's look at this one."

If the player is claiming that their ban shouldn't have happened and only posts part of their logs, Tantrum informs them that they should post all of their logs. If they claim that they didn't have any and asks for the remainder to be posted, Tantrum will comply.

If they just outright lie about the logs, why shouldn't Tantrum make the correction to the public?

Attempting to gain support while withholding data you know will torpedo your argument is scummy.

The whole "hate speech" thing? Yeah, that wasn't a thing 10-15 years ago. And it still isn't a thing in a lot of Conservative cities and areas, 'cause uh, you know, it's kind of childish and stupid to freak out about words.

So you believe racism is okay?

'cause posting icons of smite and praising Tantrum for being an asshat is giving honest feedback. Yeah. And saying "Oh look at that! You got what you deserved" is also very helpful. It's just a big gang bang, and nothing more.

Some people post that, true, but hardly everyone.

NiyumiApr 25, 20171 votes

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If the player is claiming that their ban shouldn't have happened and only posts part of their logs, Tantrum informs them that they should post all of their logs. If they claim that they didn't have any and asks for the remainder to be posted, Tantrum will comply.

If they just outright lie about the logs, why shouldn't Tantrum make the correction to the public?

Attempting to gain support while withholding data you know will torpedo your argument is scummy.

Except, a lot of the time, they post the first log that was given to them, not knowing they actually had three. I rarely see people lying about their logs or editing them. Tantrum never asks to post other logs, he just up and does it.

So you believe racism is okay?

I believe that words are not racist. Racism is ACTUALLY treating people differently based on what nationality they are. Take the n***er word. It can mean many things that aren't derogatory in any way (its literal definition is an ignorant person), but people automatically assume the worst, and freak the fuck out.

Fa***t can mean many things as well, and in most places you learn to use it as a kind of mild curse word when someone is being a jerk, but again, people assume that you're cursing every gay person on the planet when you say it.

Some people post that, true, but hardly everyone.

Not just some. More than half the people there.

AeroWaffleApr 25, 20173 votes

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Except, a lot of the time, they post the first log that was given to them, not knowing they actually had three. I rarely see people lying about their logs or editing them. Tantrum never asks to post other logs, he just up and does it.

When they don't post all the logs, Tantrum informs them to post all of them. I rarely see them say, "I didn't know I had any other logs!".

No, their reply is usually along the lines of; "All of my provided logs should be punishable if I deserve a punish"

So they knew they had other logs, but withheld them.

The times that Tantrum does post the logs without their explicit permission, they are lying about their logs/ban or have modified them. I welcome you to link to a post where that is otherwise.

I believe that words are not racist. Racism is ACTUALLY treating people differently based on what nationality they are. Take the n***er word. It can mean many things that aren't derogatory in any way (its literal definition is an ignorant person), but people automatically assume the worst, and freak the fuck out.

Fa***t can mean many things as well, and in most places you learn to use it as a kind of mild curse word when someone is being a jerk, but again, people assume that you're cursing every gay person on the planet when you say it.

When you're using %%%%%% as an insult, then it's derogatory. Some people take the slang as derogatory because of how it was used in the past.

So why are you using it not knowing how the person will take it on the other end?

Not just some. More than half the people there.

Well now you're just flat out ignoring the people who don't bother to post afterwards. When Tantrum reveals the truth, I tend to consider the thread ended and not post further.

Kei143Apr 25, 20173 votes

maybe you should link a post to where tantram just straight up posts people's logs.

I've stalked him for a while now on the boards and I haven't seen tantram do what you said.

AnomanderApr 25, 20171 votes

I've never seen it happen in 14 years, and I was always on the most populated servers. And do you want to know why people were banned for the whole anal crap (and most of them weren't even banned, just suspended for a while)? It's because you actually couldn't use the chat with all the spam going on. It wasn't because of "toxicity" it was because of people being trolls.

Says he has never seen it. Then ADMITS he has seen it happen......

Also it was actually because of the severity or some of the choices.......(i know two people who got banned from it)

Griefing is in no way related to chat. It was when you did things that ACTUALLY ruin the game experience for other people. People back then had thicker skin, and just muted you or laughed at your pathetic attempts to troll. GMs did do things like that, but you didn't get banned for chat, you just had to cool off a bit. You might get muted for a while at most.

Griefing doesn't just have to do with actions. Griefing is literally the same as toxic behavior. Toxic is just the new buzz word for it. You can grief players in chat..... I played UO from Beta(yes I paid for the game disks to be sent to me to test the game) I know what went on and i KNOW people who got banned for griefing in chat.

It's entirely about SJW crap. In my 14 years of WoW, I said the f***ot word more times than I can count, and I've said a lot of things. Wanna know how people reacted? Oh, right, they didn't. People didn't care what words you used so long as you weren't actively attacking anyone. SJW kiddies, on the other hand (a good portion of the League community), freak the fuck out if you say the wrong word, and call for the most severe punishments. Well, guess what? Most gays don't actually give a fuck what you say -- only the vain, petty ones that are extremely vocal do.

Just because the people you associate with don't react to your vulgar choice of words doesn't mean that most people don't find the use of the words inappropriate.

The bottom line is that if you don't like the rules. Leave.

'cause posting icons of smite and praising Tantrum for being an asshat is giving honest feedback. Yeah. And saying "Oh look at that! You got what you deserved" is also very helpful. It's just a big gang bang, and nothing more.

Don't want to get smited? Don't lie. Don't try to deceive the boards. Don't be a idiot and claim you don't understand that your behavior after warnings and temp bans is not accepted in league.

Also don't bring it to the boards if you don't want the community to weigh in.

eldurisApr 25, 20176 votes

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If it's "toxic" to pick on people and freak out in chat... is it not toxic when all of the people who cry about toxicity gang up on people WITH RIOT and pick on them as they get punished?

When you post your chat logs here, complaining about a ban you received for being toxic, you're kinda asking for people to give their opinions, no? Are you making the claim that people who respond to those types of threads are equally as toxic in their response as the poster was in game chat?

feminazis

wew.

When someone is banned or suspended or given a chat restriction and posts about it on the forums, Tantrum (Tantram) goes and posts logs and acts all holier-than-thou and has his posse of kids help him pick on people. We frown upon naming and shaming, we don't want you to pick on people, we want you to be nice... but none of that applies in this case, I suppose.

Tantram won't post logs unless the original poster asks him to. That's consistent throughout all of the posts here on Player Behavior & Moderation. You'll also find that many of the "naming and shaming" rules don't apply to those who make their case public, such as streamers like Tyler1 and Tarzaned. If you want to make your case public, it's your prerogative.

Before I played League, I never even heard the term "toxic" outside of chemistry / biology. So, I gotta wonder if the whole "toxicity" issue is created by people who freak out about it. I played WoW for 14 years, and people there were assholes, but there wasn't this big group of people who had tantrums, so trolls eventually just got bored and stopped. Anything more serious would get them muted by a GM (not permabanned for something silly like chat, you know).

I don't play WoW so my understanding of their rules is pretty limited. Are there instances in WoW where you can be stuck with the same few people for 30-45 minutes on average with no recourse but to play the game or instance through? If so, I would argue that toxicity could exist in WoW as well, though perhaps not known by that name.

The word "toxic" was chosen to describe this type of behavior due to how easily it can spread and "infect" other people. When you're trapped in a room with someone who only wants to call you racial slurs and belittle you for making the tiniest of mistakes, it won't be long before you feel like retaliating. That's why it's called "toxic." To me, I don't personally care what you call it, if you act like an asshole to everyone, I don't want to play with you.

I don't understand why League players make such a big deal about toxicity, and gang up on people left and right. You do know that negative attention is what a troll or asshole is after, right? I also don't understand how you can expect people to follow rules you don't follow yourself, and punish them if they don't while never being punished yourself.

I'd think a majority of the people here that comment on threads don't actually get chat restrictions or bans because they know that behavior like that is unacceptable. The rules for the Boards and the game are different in some regards, but if you're calling people out then your post will be removed, you'll be warned, and if you continue, you can be banned from Boards.

If you have more questions, I'm happy to answer them.

NiyumiApr 25, 20172 votes

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When you post your chat logs here, complaining about a ban you received for being toxic, you're kinda asking for people to give their opinions, no? Are you making the claim that people who respond to those types of threads are equally as toxic in their response as the poster was in game chat?

I'd say they're being more "toxic" than the person being punished. A lot of the people in these chat logs are just kind of complaining and venting in chat (when you can EASILY just hit that mute button if it bothers you so incredibly much). Meanwhile, all of Tantrum's posse are actively attacking the person, and making fun of them for being punished. Which do you think is more "toxic"?

Tantram won't post logs unless the original poster asks him to. That's consistent throughout all of the posts here on Player Behavior & Moderation. You'll also find that many of the "naming and shaming" rules don't apply to those who make their case public, such as streamers like Tyler1 and Tarzaned. If you want to make your case public, it's your prerogative.

Yeah, except I've seen several cases where he just up and posts a log, acts all smug about it, and the rest of his asshole gang laugh and post icons of smite and whatnot.

I don't play WoW so my understanding of their rules is pretty limited. Are there instances in WoW where you can be stuck with the same few people for 30-45 minutes on average with no recourse but to play the game or instance through? If so, I would argue that toxicity could exist in WoW as well, though perhaps not known by that name.

There are instances where you're stuck with the same people for many hours on end, and leaving is a bad idea because of lockouts that are shared with those people. Sure you can kick them, but you're not likely to find a replacement person that wants to skip bosses that could drop loot they need and all that. So you'd be stuck with them for hours -- much more than 30-45 minutes.

The word "toxic" was chosen to describe this type of behavior due to how easily it can spread and "infect" other people. When you're trapped in a room with someone who only wants to call you racial slurs and belittle you for making the tiniest of mistakes, it won't be long before you feel like retaliating. That's why it's called "toxic." To me, I don't personally care what you call it, if you act like an asshole to everyone, I don't want to play with you.

You know what I do when I'm trapped in a game with a kid that has a potty mouth? I ignore them -- and I don't use the mute button either. I'm not some vain little asshat, and I don't care if someone makes fun of my race or sexuality. So, I just keep playing the game, glance at chat every now and then to see if they said something useful, and otherwise just ignore them.

Why the majority of people can't do that is beyond me. But hey, vanity is a good thing, right?

I'd think a majority of the people here that comment on threads don't actually get chat restrictions or bans because they know that behavior like that is unacceptable. The rules for the Boards and the game are different in some regards, but if you're calling people out then your post will be removed, you'll be warned, and if you continue, you can be banned from Boards.

I've made posts very similar to what Tantrum's posse does. Wanna know what happened? My post was deleted, and I was warned about harassment (so, in other words, it was "toxic"). Yet, when they do it, it's totally fine? Hmm.

AeroWaffleApr 25, 20175 votes

Yeah, except I've seen several cases where he just up and posts a log, acts all smug about it, and the rest of his asshole gang laugh and post icons of smite and whatnot.

Once again, he only posts the logs when either the person requests them, or they are outright lying about them.

Do you have a good reason why he should let a player attempt to rally support on falsified information?

eldurisApr 26, 20174 votes

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Once again, he only posts the logs when either the person requests them, or they are outright lying about them.

Do you have a good reason why he should let a player attempt to rally support on falsified information?

The question I want an answer to is: do you have any examples you can point to of Riot Tantram posting chat logs and acting smug about it as described? On the internet you can say whatever you want, but it doesn't make it true.

o Maui oApr 25, 20172 votes

Tantram posts logs when players ask him to or when people post altered logs and complain about them.

SecondAirbaneApr 25, 20171 votes

iiiiiiiiii am in your position brother i am 14 day banned for inting and i gotta say i am BORED AS FUCK wanna play on EU or something?

NiyumiApr 25, 20171 votes

Oh I've never been punished outside of a 5-game chat restriction (for whining in chat, which is apparently against the rules). I just see posts all the time where Tantram is being an actual asshole with a bunch of people and that's somehow acceptable.

SecondAirbaneApr 25, 20171 votes

aahhh yeah sorry im just trying to sound retarded

after my ban wears off wanna duo or something? i am silver 3 mid lane main

NiyumiApr 25, 20171 votes

Saying you got banned for feeding isn't the best way to get people to play with you.

SecondAirbaneApr 25, 20171 votes

jungle is a boring role though

besides im not gonna feed again for a long time unless its abad matchup or im tilted not gonna int

SecondAirbaneApr 25, 20171 votes

also can u check my profile and see if i still have my border? i still see it when i log in or does it just disappear after my ban ends?

EvilDustManApr 25, 20173 votes

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Oh I've never been punished outside of a 5-game chat restriction (for whining in chat, which is apparently against the rules). I just see posts all the time where Tantram is being an actual asshole with a bunch of people and that's somehow acceptable.

Tantram has never been an asshole, and people he responds to are usually people are a lying about their ban or truly don't understand why they can banned for being assholes in chat.

NiyumiApr 25, 20172 votes

Every post of his I see, he's being an asshole. Publicly shaming people with a mega righteous, smug attitude isn't what I'd call being nice.

EvilDustManApr 25, 20173 votes

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Every post of his I see, he's being an asshole. Publicly shaming people with a mega righteous, smug attitude isn't what I'd being nice.

Post a link to such a post?

SecondAirbaneApr 25, 20171 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/oxEgL46y-so-apparently-this-crosses-the-line

NiyumiApr 25, 20171 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/oxEgL46y-so-apparently-this-crosses-the-line?comment=0001000000000002

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/abwV6Qpl-permaban-for-this?comment=0007

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/6o7nZbuZ-i-was-banned-for-saying-draven-single-word-thats-it?comment=003a0001000000020000

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/6o7nZbuZ-i-was-banned-for-saying-draven-single-word-thats-it?comment=003a0001000000020000000c0000

Few examples. I'm sure I could find more if I wanted to spend the time doing so.

AnomanderApr 25, 20176 votes

Lawl

Those posts are correcting people who are falsifying their posts in order to deceive the player base or out right slander Riot games.

One could say he has a moral obligation to respond to those posts as a Riot employee. None of that is naming and shaming when the player in question brings it to a public place.

EvilDustManApr 25, 20173 votes

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https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/oxEgL46y-so-apparently-this-crosses-the-line?comment=0001000000000002

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/abwV6Qpl-permaban-for-this?comment=0007

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/6o7nZbuZ-i-was-banned-for-saying-draven-single-word-thats-it?comment=003a0001000000020000

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/6o7nZbuZ-i-was-banned-for-saying-draven-single-word-thats-it?comment=003a0001000000020000000c0000

Few examples. I'm sure I could find more if I wanted to spend the time doing so.

...all of these are professional responses to people either trying to misrepresent their case by outright lying or trying to argue that hate speech is okay.

If this is all you can find you are either very easily outraged, or grasping at straws.

sirwaterflesApr 26, 20171 votes

I agree with you that most 'discussions' are just tons of downvotes and people more holy than the pope feeling supirior and smug AF.

On the other hand most of the i got punishd for this? posts contain lies or go a bit like : omg rito is so dumb i just told that %%%got to go kill himself but he was also an asshole so i did nothing wrong. Really hard to defend or engage into a meaningfull discusion with that.