"Let people play Disco Nunu if they want."

The Ecdysiast··6 votes·631 views

Let people run down mid if they want. Let people build Azir AD if they want. Let people build Riven AP if they want. Let people pick Teemo and play the role of Ward if they want.

Let people play how they want, even if what they want is to be the absentee in a 4v5. That's what that sentiment gets you. As an individual, it may sound nice that you have the power over 4 other players to ruin their fun with your own intentional poor decisions. But the majority, who don't take to the boards, don't tend to let that slide.

Saying, "let people play what they want," is not an excuse for people to intentionally feed and/or troll. Stop acting like it is.

You can play what you want against beginner bots, if you aren't ready for the responsibility of playing with and against real people.

For those of you commenting who are saying that "off-meta" isn't inting, first of all you have a misconception of the difference. An off-meta champion is a champion who is not doing well even with their intended role and build. Ryze has been off-meta for a while now, since he got nerfed from abuse in pro play. However, AD Ryze is simply trolling, since he does not have anything in his kit that coincides with AD items.

Note, though, that if the person does well and leads the team to victory, then they had the confidence beforehand to say they knew it would work. If they fail, and the team can't win because their jungler was executed 3 times by raptors, they did not go into the game with the intent to win.

And as for proof against your claim that playing off-meta isn't bannable, here are two Diamond level examples, one being the player who at the time was the number one Nunu player on NA. These players did not get to do what they wanted even when it succeeded, because going a troll build/role forces your entire team to play and pick around you instead of what they want. You say, "let people play what they want," but for 4 players forced to play something besides what they want in order to have a chance at winning goes against that sentiment.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/FrILlWp7-14-day-ban-because-playing-nunu-support-with-smite-is-stealing-other-peoples-roles

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/79aGu3wR-support-singed-isnt-banable-but-thats-not-the-point

9 Comments

HalcyonDweller3 votes

It's a little convoluted, but I see your point.

I agree, people should not take 'freedom' as an excuse to ruin an experience that they share with multiple other people.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Exactly. If they want to do AD Azir, AP Riven, or Disco Nunu, they can do it against bots.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

I think that the way you framed your message may have been too confusing, people are misunderstanding it to think that you support people trolling by using these builds and playstyles.

Might have to start over with better wording in a new post, after the first few downvotes people's view of the post will be biased regardless of how hard you work to keep it positive.

Chermorg3 votes

I will say though, as devil's advocate here, that someone else having a definition of "fun" that includes controlling what you do should not prevent you from having your own fun.

It's just like how toxic players aren't allowed to have fun by being toxic. Likewise, players who only have fun with the meta or bossing other players for what they play should not be allowed to do that, even though they're doing it for their own fun.

I think the biggest thing here is communication and everyone talking to each other. Do what you want, but please try and help your team be okay with it before and during. And if your entire team asks you not to do something, probably a better idea to skip it that game.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

Excellent points, that is completely fair to say. There is definitely a balance to strike between freedom of choice and the good of all.

I do agree that people should not be overly controlling either. And I concur, communication is key to making everything go smoothly. Being understanding of others' wishes goes a long way towards ensuring a game goes well.

Scuttle3 votes

First and last are against the rules because they're inting and afking respectively. There's nothing wrong with the middle two. If I wanna chill out as AP Nashor's Gunblade Riven I'm damn fucking allowed to. You can't tell people what to build or play.

zPOOPz2 votes

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redniwediS2 votes

Isn't there a streamer who plays high elo games of Marksman Azir? Your other examples are of people doing things that without a shadow of a doubt don't offer anything positive to the team, but this one has been done with varying degrees of success.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

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