Would have rather not gotten in answer. (Riot Support)

Better Jungler··35 votes·5,190 views

I emailed Riot Support, on the appropriate medium, "Champion Updates Request".

My question was short and sweet. is there any plans for updating Talon, since he hasnt been mentioned since 4.17 over a year and a half ago.

I waited a few days, and got an email back, Instead of a simple yes or no, I receive three generic paragraphs that have nothing to do with what im talking about.

summary of question:

Is something in the works for Talon?

summary of answer:

> Strategies are always changing, and balance is hard to maintain between champions! > > Its important we dont make rash balance decisions, If a champ is too strong, the problem lies elsewhere. > > Thanks for playing LEague of legends. > > Fuck you and your question, Sincerely Mebuchan, Player Support Specialist

Honestly Riot, if i never received an email, it wouldve been better, because that shows just how much you are willing to talk to your customer If you're going to take time to read an email, i'd rather it take a month to get back to me, as long as its a humanistic response that addresses my questions. IF it was a "No, talons fine." Ok. or a "Yes, talons got something headed his way" Ok. But a three paragraph copy and paste response from the other 1000 emails you answered today, is not acceptable for "customer service".

Sincerely Tripodfay.

disclaimer no disrespect intended, I understand the company is extremely busy, and probably recieves a million of these messages a day. Im just let down you'd take the easy way out and send me some generic BS thats not related. I also expect alot of hate from this thread, but companies are going to keep treating people like this if we arent loud about it.

11/28/15 UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I recieved a new email, from a different person who basically told me,

Summary

Sorry for the generic response, We dont know if talon has anything specifically to improve his kit, AD assassins are in a weak place as a whole. Thanks for going to the forums, we are working on our customer service, and hope to show our improvement over the next few months!

Thank you Riot. Thats all i wanted, I dont care about what's specifically happening, just wanted an answer regarding my question, rather than a copy pasted chain mail essentially. And if you couldnt provide me the information, i completely understand if i got an email saying "we cant tell you." I just would rather receive a relevant answer of ANY kind.

130 Comments

The Poetic Zed26 votes

I actually agree. when you send a request and you get an email saying it might take a bit longer as a specialist is required to handle your case, then you just get a generic reply three days later. It's disappointing.

Better Jungler6 votes

it truly is. Upvote this please, people downvoting already cuz they havent experienced it.

TeemoJenkins14 votes

Recognizing that sending an email to any big corporation and asking specific questions about what facet of their business I wouldn't expect a dynamic answer. I would join a Reddit AMA about champ balance to ask rather than emailing the guys that get thousands of emails a day.

Better Jungler5 votes

They have a facet for emailing about this specifically. There is someone paid to answer these emails. I didnt email Technical support, or Billing help. I emailed the correct place, with a non-misleading headline, and a well worded email that was short and sweet. But i do see what you mean, and only reply i have is that i'd rather not recieve an answer than recieve a copy pasted non relatable one. know what i mean?

Silents4297 votes

Why would you waste there time asking support something about balance when none of them are a part of the balance team?

How the hell are the tech support people suppose to know this? Out of the millions of questions, just go bombard Meddler about it?

Better Jungler2 votes

its not the tech team, its literally the "Request" section of customer support on Riot's website, about champion balance and upcoming changes.

not many people know that exist.

Silents4293 votes

Because people with half a brain know support teams are good for getting actual support, not random questions about game balance.

You should be glad you got a response at all, I know a lot of games that would have dumped your ticket the second they saw it.

Better Jungler2 votes

i'd rather they do that. you're a real joy though, seems you wanna ignore the issue, and let shitty service be the norm. want more, expect better. now stop being toxic on my thread and go elsewhere.

Silents4293 votes

Seriously you are going to call it a shitty service because they can't answer petty balance questions that have different answers depending on who you ask and after each patch cycle? They don't even have a section for those type of questions.

Let's get the balance team out of there meetings and discussions and sit there asses down at a computer and have them answer questions for you all day, I mean who the hell needs them to spend time working right?

Or wait better yet, let's just have the support people bombard the balance team all day about stupid questions too, I mean afterall they don't want to be considered a shitty service.

Better Jungler1 votes

definition of shitty service.

if they have an email for requests and questions about champion reworks, and changes, it is there for us to use.

there are people, that do this for a job.

if i dont do my job right, people die, and I can go to prison, i expect the same from everyone else in possession of a job.

including you, when you are old enough to get a job.

Kürama4 votes

There isn't a category for questions regarding Champion Reworks or anything of that sort. The category "I have a question about League of Legends / Riot Games" is a general category (particularly for noobs) for players to submit queries regarding aspects of the game or company they'd like to know about. Not possible upcoming content.

Du Ma Mi1 votes

But one aspect of the game IS upcoming content, so...

Kürama1 votes

An aspect of the game which isn't handled by Player Support.

Du Ma Mi1 votes

Unless you've actually asked them before, "Upcoming content" could mean changes to champions, so it's a completely valid question. You can't expect him to know exactly what they meant by such a general term.

Kürama1 votes

Yes, upcoming content can mean changes to champions and again, information on upcoming content is not handled by Player Support.

Du Ma Mi1 votes

And we know that now. But this man is talking about a specific branch of player support, whose front door basically has a sign that says "Upcoming content", I think it's fair that he ask in the first place.

Kürama1 votes

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There isn't a category for questions regarding Champion Reworks or anything of that sort. The category "I have a question about League of Legends / Riot Games" is a general category (particularly for noobs) for players to submit queries regarding aspects of the game or company they'd like to know about. Not possible upcoming content.

Du Ma Mi1 votes

An answer, once again given by you, which is the point.Without asking riot themselves, he had no way of knowing whether or not they would actually be of any help or not. My point: No need to grill the poor guy

Kürama1 votes

There is no category on "Upcoming Content". It's not about what I'm saying.

He stated that there is a category for upcoming content / champion reworks. There is no such category.

AbyssionKnight1 votes

If Riot makes a section for questions about champion balance (I personally don't see it, but for the moment I'll give the OP benefit of the doubt), it's not unreasonable to expect that to be used.

Literally all they have to do is go to the person who answers these sorts of questions and say 'Hey! Here are champions / items that we want to address on the pbe / live in the near future'. Then provide a list of items or champions they plan to address currently. Give them a weekly or bi-weekly list and guess what happens? Now these people can answer these questions. They can't give specifics, but they can at least acknowledge whether or not a champion/item is currently being looked at.

They could still have copy and paste answers! "Currently the balance team is working on -insert name here-. Internal tests change daily, so I can't provide you with specifics, but -insert name here- is on our radar and should hopefully see some changes on the PBE in the near future". Or "Currently the balance team is not working on -insert name here-. Our team is working hard to ensure the game is enjoyable, and your feedback is appreciated."

Do you honestly think looking at a page, and then inserting a name into a copy paste answer (that's relevant to the person's inquiry) is that hard to do? I don't. Hell, if someone wanted to pay me full time to answer emails in that fashion I'd do it in a heartbeat. Talk about a stress free job.

Silents4291 votes

They do not have a section asking abotu champion balance, they have a general questions regarding the game option oriented towards a noob asking about a mechanic in the game or something, not balance questions or about future content. You made the mistake of giving OP the benefit of the doubt, because both you, me and many others know there isn't a section titled "Champion Balance Support"

Literally all they have to do is go to the person who answers these sorts of questions and say 'Hey! Here are champions / items that we want to address on the pbe / live in the near future'. Then provide a list of items or champions they plan to address currently. Give them a weekly or bi-weekly list and guess what happens? Now these people can answer these questions. They can't give specifics, but they can at least acknowledge whether or not a champion/item is currently being looked at.

Maybe you aren't gravitating what millions of questions a day actually is. Yeah let me just get on that, I'll start writing up a list upwards of hundreds and thousands while meddler or someone can spend a few days reading through and answering them, only for those people to respond like 6 year olds because they disagree with the balance team. It's throwing all there resources into a black hole for no benefit.

They could still have copy and paste answers! "Currently the balance team is working on -insert name here-. Internal tests change daily, so I can't provide you with specifics, but -insert name here- is on our radar and should hopefully see some changes on the PBE in the near future". Or "Currently the balance team is not working on -insert name here-. Our team is working hard to ensure the game is enjoyable, and your feedback is appreciated."

No they can't. This still requires them to get pestered with all the questions and getting answers, the reason Riot or any game company is seemingly secretive about changes is because having multiple people answering multiple answers at various times through multiple perspectives leads to conflicts and confusion.

Do you honestly think looking at a page, and then inserting a name into a copy paste answer (that's relevant to the person's inquiry) is that hard to do? I don't. Hell, if someone wanted to pay me full time to answer emails in that fashion I'd do it in a heartbeat. Talk about a stress free job.

Stress free my ass, I know you haven't worked in retail or a tech support job for much time.

AbyssionKnight1 votes

They already respond to the emails they receive, and already do it with copy paste messages. Changing the message they send is not a significant change, and would not take a significant amount of time out of their day.

I also don't see how multiple people answering questions would lead to multiple perspectives being stated...if they all are using the same copy paste answers.

I worked about 10 years in Retail, so you're wrong there. I am curious though how much Retail experience you have, if you think copy pasting answers to people is as stressful, or more stressful, than having to talk to those people face to face.

Silents4291 votes

Tech support people are required to answer a certain amount of emails or replies in a day the copy pasting is called macro'ing.

It does take time out of the day to gather the information needed to make those copy pasted answers, and there is a reason to keep some information from the overeating people that this community is known for. They cannot keep the information constantly updated or accurate as the days pass, there is always something discussed and planned, there is always something coming and going.

People can learn to just sit the hell down and wait like the rest of us.

Also my experience with Riot support is 3/3 occasions I got a helpful non copy pasted message and will vouch for them.

EvilDustMan5 votes

I'm gonna be honest. What did you expect? Support department isn't gameplay department, this is the message you'd get about this on any large scale game.

Better Jungler2 votes

WoW, Rift, and Guild wars, (i know its mmo's) they are similarly large companies, and they have great customer service, emails use names, and ive never gotten a generic response that had nothing to do with my question. the poll speaks for itself, im not the only one that feels this way.

Shyvauni3 votes

Those same three games would have given a similar answer to a question about changes as player support has nothing to dop with game design

Better Jungler1 votes

i played each of those games religiously, and can personally vouch for their customer support being great 90% of the time.

Kürama2 votes

Likewise I can vouch for Riot's support, as I've asked for support on issues or general questions about the game / company and not specific design / content questions.

ShaftyMegee4 votes

From the other thousand emails they received that day? I'm pretty sure they get WAY more than a thousand a day.

Mitchman10024 votes

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Photos of Ghosts1 votes

Why not just typing "to my knowledge, there are no current plans for Talon. There is however a general "assassin pass" planned on the long run.

*macro ending*"

Better Jungler1 votes

Exactly! or even a "we dont know about talon specifically, Hope to get more information out soon! Macro ending."

5050 Teammate4 votes

My question is why are you emailing support, the system used to help people with problems, about if they are working on a champion, which keep in mind is handled by an entierly different team. I mean what were you expecting them to reply back with?

MeleeNuke3 votes

Support tickets are for technical problems, not to get riot's attention. You're lucky they even responded.

The Bearded Bard2 votes

Eh, last time I used support the guy was very nice and human. Even had a discussion about tourneys with me.

Supreme Senpai692 votes

Riot probably gets thousands of messages asking about stuff like this each day. I don't blame them for random, generic replies. Is there something in the works for Talon? Wait and see like everybody else. Even if there was, they wouldn't be able to tell you. It saves hours to copy and paste things rather than give customized messages.

Better Jungler1 votes

"i dont blame them for generic replies"

thats not how customer service works.

if you go to a doctor and he says we will get your results to you next week...

then the next week he sends you a coupon to mcdonalds, and a lottery ticket with a letter that says "leftovers in the fridge".

its their job lol.

Shyvauni3 votes

Great CS has nothing to do with Game design though. They can not answer questions about future content etc as they are not in the know and even when they are in the know they should not say anything about it until it is properly announced is my point.

Sploob the Goob2 votes

It's a free game, it costs you absolutely nothing to play but you make absurd references about going to the doctor; as if the service you get from a physician is in any way related to a free moba.

Your argument is redicilous! Asking about one specific champion and their place/role in the game is absurd.

Riot has had multiple Q&A's where you can post questions regarding champions but no you choose to demonize the entire company because of one canned response.

Its just silly.

Samus722 votes

Once more, you don't get it.

Now, you twist the argument so that since the cashier didn't respond with "I don't know," you're still ranting and upset because you didn't get the answer you wanted.

Have you ever had a job? You're not allowed to say "I do not know." But that responder cannot run to a designer and ask questions any more than you can. There is a chain of command they have to follow. They're trained to answer the best they can with certain restraints. But say "I do not know," no, they are not allowed to do that.

From now on, if you have a balance question, post it on the forums and hope for an answer. Sending in an email and expecting a specific response is foolish at worst and naïve at best.

Better Jungler5 votes

Yes im an Air Traffic Controller. and thats bullshit if a pilot asks me something i dont know, i say "I dont know ill figure it out for you" so yes, in a job you are allowed to say " i dont know." and in this situation that answer is alot more respectable than what they gave me

and from now on, if you have an opinion, keep it to yourself, because you're sounding awfully dumb right now.

Kürama2 votes

You're allowed to tell a Pilot "I don't know" when they're flying? That's scary. I certainly hope you're not guiding the pilot on any plane I'm on.

Better Jungler3 votes

hehe seems scary. They sometimes ask weird stuff like other airports weather/ active runways.

but more often then not, they will ask about the arresting gear, (cables that basically trap the aircraft to the ground in case the landing isnt going to go as planned.) and if im talking to him, i may not know if the gear is active or not, so ill tell him "standby, ill check for you" and talk to the people who do know, then get back to the aircraft with an educated answer. Its ok not to know stuff, as long as you are truthful about it. ultimately if the pilot feels unsafe (which he never should) it is his responsibility to take care of the aircraft/people aboard.

SirHeavyScrotum2 votes

Sit down kid

only zhule2 votes

Basically what i hear from this post is cry cry "why won't Riot tip it's hand in regards to the changes that may or may no occur on any given champion, before they even get to the PBE testing ground. How unfair of the company to no single me out for information i do not need nor should i expect to be given"

Better Jungler2 votes

Basically what im hearing from you is "i didnt read the post, scanned through it, made a quick opinion and now im an asshole because of it"

Ill paraphrase for you.

I think if your going to have a customer support section, and answer emails, you should at least read the email before you send a vague generic answer that could fit in literally ANY situation. Show a little pride in your job and actually do it.

only zhule1 votes

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Basically what im hearing from you is "i didnt read the post, scanned through it, made a quick opinion and now im an asshole because of it"

Ill paraphrase for you.

I think if your going to have a customer support section, and answer emails, you should at least read the email before you send a vague generic answer that could fit in literally ANY situation. Show a little pride in your job and actually do it.

oh i read it, and still get the same feeling. I don't see what the hoped for response would have been. If they had said yes that their would be changes some time in the future and left it at that we would likely have this person complaining that they didn't answer the question to the degree wanted. We would likely also have a bunch of BS threads about "Rito has confirmed changes to Talon.... what will they be.... i think X,Y, and Z".

The company clearly isn't going to tell just any random person whats in the pipeline for characters months down the line, mostly because those things can change. You want them to go through probably a couple 100's of thousands of these e-mails each month for everyone who wants hints about future changes, but doesn't want to wait till PBE or patch notes? Would you want to have to answer hundreds of these types of e-mails each day, knowing you can't really tell the person anything specific?

Pledgie1 votes

These responses are automated. it sucks. like try emailing them again or something and ask for a non automated response i did that about a morgana question and i got an answer

Better Jungler2 votes

I emailed them again, and got a personalized answer basically saying they dont know. which is PERFECTLY FINE because it was honest and personable. .

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