People shouldn't be allowed to have a "bad day" without getting a punishment. Or at least a warning.

Jesus is Savior··4 votes·1,447 views

Because this is basically what happens:

Let's say I pick a non-meta champion, like Evelynn mid. A teammate that is normally not toxic starts harassing me for the entire game, and/or possibly even rage quits. Let's call them Bob. But Bob doesn't use any racial slurs or anything that would trigger a punishment quickly (within 1-2 games).

So I report Bob. Bob doesn't have a history of being toxic, so Bob doesn't get punished. Bob doesn't see another Eve mid for 100+ games, so he's only toxic in less than 1% of his games. My report weight goes down because Bob doesn't get punished, making my reports more meaningless.

And then in my next game I get assigned "mid" and pick Eve again, and this time I meet "Jill," who is exactly the same as Bob, and the cycle continues.

Riot says "toxic players turn people toxic and see more toxic players in their games" but... There are also not-toxic things that can turn people toxic. Picking Eve mid is not against the rules. But it makes a LOT of players harass me for it. And none of them are ever punished, because they are not normally toxic. And in those games where my team DOESN'T tilt and harass me? I actually do good. The pick is fine. But in most of my games I'm basically getting the same gameplay experience as one of those toxic assholes who turns his entire team against him by being an asshole in chat. Except I'm not an asshole in chat, and I'm not breaking any rules, so I'm never going to be punished and removed from the game. But then, neither are any of my toxic teammates, because they're "just having a bad day" and don't "normally" act that way.

At the very least, the system should be able to detect things that bring out toxicity which are not against the rules (eg: non-meta summoner spells, builds, or champions) and then punish people severely for harassing these people, since it's going to happen to them almost every game otherwise, and as such they're going to have a skewed view of the community (they will think this community is way more toxic than it actually is, and probably quit because of it).

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(Getting sick of people harassing me and even sometimes RAGE QUITTING and getting away with it with no punishment)

54 Comments

MUSHROOM MIDGET9 votes

im sorry your trolling is not getting people banned as you hoped it would. maybe try a different technique

No Yellow Norco6 votes

You have like 2 games in your last 40 where you don't have the most deaths on your team. Hopefully Riot bans your trolling so that you don't make normally non-toxic players toxic.

Jesus is Savior2 votes

[{quoted}](name=No Yellow Norco,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tm2BUlzP,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-10-04T09:14:40.511+0000)

You have like 2 games in your last 40 where you don't have the most deaths on your team. Hopefully Riot bans your trolling so that you don't make normally non-toxic players toxic.

  1. I'm a one-trick, so when my champ gets picked/banned at plat ELO I do REALLY REALLY bad.

  2. I'm a one-trick, so when my role gets assigned to someone else I get countered REALLY REALLY hard when I pick Eve mid into certain mid champs.

I'm not trolling.

No Yellow Norco6 votes

Except you die just as much when on your "main champ/role". 22 deaths on a mid Eve. That's not "having a bad game bruh". That's trolling. That's why people aren't being punished when you report them. Someone asking you to play safe is not punishable, even though it might hurt your po lil fee fees.

Jesus is Savior2 votes

[{quoted}](name=No Yellow Norco,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tm2BUlzP,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-10-04T10:01:54.623+0000)

Except you die just as much when on your "main champ/role". 22 deaths on a mid Eve. That's not "having a bad game bruh". That's trolling. That's why people aren't being punished when you report them. Someone asking you to play safe is not punishable, even though it might hurt your po lil fee fees.

  1. 22 death Eve mid with 17 kills and 13 assists. Also most damage to champs. Sorry, but that's just how the game rolled. I'm an assassin. You'll notice I win most of those games.

  2. People aren't telling me to "play safe." They are saying things like "what do you expect? You picked Eve mid" or "report the troll Eve" or "no way you're plat, you got boosted" or "how much did the boost cost" among other things. They also shit on my builds. If I don't build exactly what they want me to build, I'm trolling, and they rage at me. I can't say "sorry guys Annie counters me" because "I picked Eve mid, what do you expect?"

Also, I got to plat as EVE JUNGLE. Mid is my SECONDARY ROLE. Playing bad is NEVER trolling. I get shit on mid because it's not my main role. I'm not a plat mid main. I go mid and die a ton of times? It's because I'm bad at mid, and laning in general. Or I got cheesed by some item/rune/summoner spell combination because mid is my secondary role and I haven't memorized all the shit it entails.

BeatzBoyFTW5 votes

Then I do not see how you deserved the Platinum badge at all for knowing one lane & one champion. There's like 3 other lanes for you to choose if your Mid lane sucked, and there's literally like 10 champions who are mid-viable to choose & learn instead of just Eve.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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Then I do not see how you deserved the Platinum badge at all for knowing one lane & one champion. There's like 3 other lanes for you to choose if your Mid lane sucked, and there's literally like 10 champions who are mid-viable to choose & learn instead of just Eve.

My alternative role last season was support. Riot ruined that with dynamic queue (support secondary = support 50%-90% of the time, based on demand).

At this point my "mid Eve" is better than my support (since I haven't played support since last season). When people don't harass me, that is.

Also: a lot of people one-trick to higher ranks. You should try it. Maybe then you'll finally get out of silver :). Even the pros have a small champion pool.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

I stopped playing this account (if you hadn't noticed my Match History b4 you try to taunt & shit), and I'm already Platinum in my smurf without having to do this "one-trick" crap.

TequilaZombie4 votes

He has a point tho. Try to learn a new mid laner. Someone a bit safer that is not easily crapped uppon as easily as Mid Eve.

I can win most match ups as Shaco mid (or at least go even) and I feel like it's stronger than Shaco jungle due to allowing better team comps, but I rarely pick it in ranked.

Not having a 2-4 people on your team raging at you is usually worth changing your pick.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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He has a point tho. Try to learn a new mid laner. Someone a bit safer that is not easily crapped uppon as easily as Mid Eve.

I can win most match ups as Shaco mid (or at least go even) and I feel like it's stronger than Shaco jungle due to allowing better team comps, but I rarely pick it in ranked.

Not having a 2-4 people on your team raging at you is usually worth changing your pick.

I don't think you understand how hard it is to learn a new champion (and role) at a plat level.

I could practice a champion for hundreds of games and still barely break gold with it if it's not the right one to fit my playstyle.

EndlessSorcerer4 votes

I've not really found any issues with learning new champions at a Platinum level.

General mechanics and game knowledge will take you pretty far with any champion you choose to play. Most of the remainder is learning your limits, tips specific to the champion and match-ups.

I find it only takes about 5 or 10 games to be passably competent on a champion.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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I've not really found any issues with learning new champions at a Platinum level.

General mechanics and game knowledge will take you pretty far with any champion you choose to play. Most of the remainder is learning your limits, tips specific to the champion and match-ups.

I find it only takes about 5 or 10 games to be passably competent on a champion.

Not many champions are similar to Eve.

And Riot keeps adding more and more skillshots to champions, and I don't like skillshot champions (I could probably get to plat with Fizz if his ult was something else and not a skillshot).

RogueWill1 votes

Annie can be played similar to Eve (although is not her optimal playstyle).

TequilaZombie1 votes

Talon maybe?

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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Talon maybe?

If I'm gonna go AD I go Yi. I need a magical person because AD mid fucks team comps.

TequilaZombie1 votes

If you want to go Yi mid you might as well go Eve. You will get the same amount of hate.

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

play khazix mid. it's what I do

The Whamboozler1 votes

Bro... I'm just gonna say this but... If you can't play at a plat level on ANYONE but Eve, um...

You probably don't belong in plat. I love eve, but... you should have a move diverse champ pool. Learn new champs, mix up your shit, and if your overall game knowledge isn't enough to keep you in plat, then accept it.

Jorencice1 votes

Meh. The pros have a small champion pool of PRO GAME CHAMPS.

I guarantee you most of them can play every champ in the game at least diamond 1 level.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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Meh. The pros have a small champion pool of PRO GAME CHAMPS.

I guarantee you most of them can play every champ in the game at least diamond 1 level.

And you do realize that diamond 1 is basically 2 entire tiers (possibly more) below challenger, right?

I am also able to play most champions at a level that is 2 tiers below my current rank.

No Yellow Norco1 votes

LOL. I had assumed your main was mid Eve, since as far back as I'm willing to go, I see mostly 6-16 and 4-13 and 2-12 Eve jg games.

I'll be so satisfied when rito starts removing trolls from the game :)

mustafa28814 votes

i think someone had a bad day

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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i think someone had a bad day

*bad week (and/or month)

Maximum Morde3 votes

I support off-meta. However, I also accept that it will piss people off, so I'm prepared to deal with that, report them and move on. I get it tons when I'm playing Yorick support. What I don't do, is come to the forums and whine and complain about it, because, even if I don't think it was fair, my own actions contributed to that situation. No it isn't fair, life isn't fair. Suck it up, accept the consequences of your actions and keep playing however you want to have fun. Don't try to make yourself out to be some kind of victim/martyr like a SJW would.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Morde,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tm2BUlzP,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-10-04T12:31:26.369+0000)

I support off-meta. However, I also accept that it will piss people off, so I'm prepared to deal with that, report them and move on. I get it tons when I'm playing Yorick support. What I don't do, is come to the forums and whine and complain about it, because, even if I don't think it was fair, my own actions contributed to that situation. No it isn't fair, life isn't fair. Suck it up, accept the consequences of your actions and keep playing however you want to have fun. Don't try to make yourself out to be some kind of victim/martyr like a SJW would.

When they troll me or harass me they are essentially losing ranked games that would have otherwise been won, simply because they couldn't lay off the keyboard, stfu, and play the game. In a ranked environment, they are making me lose ELO, and they should not be able to get away with it because "it was just a bad game, they're not normally verbally abusive."

Maximum Morde2 votes

And? You know(or should know) that is a possible and probable outcome of off meta picks. Silently report and move on.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Morde,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tm2BUlzP,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2016-10-04T12:35:42.414+0000)

And? You know(or should know) that is a possible and probable outcome of off meta picks. Silently report and move on.

My complaint is that the reports don't do anything.

The Whamboozler1 votes

There are a ton of reasons why reports do nothing. Reports in general just kinda.... don't. If reports mattered they would be abused a ton by toxic kids to get people banned.

ModPrandine1 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tm2BUlzP,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-04T12:54:18.052+0000)

My complaint is that the reports don't do anything.

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There are a ton of reasons why reports do nothing. Reports in general just kinda.... don't. If reports mattered they would be abused a ton by toxic kids to get people banned.

The system is designed so that false reports are thrown out and the value of future reports by the reporter (i.e. their report weight) goes down if they just file false reports. Think of it like "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" in that sense. If reports truly did nothing then we wouldn't see so many people complain about their bans and chat restrictions. From Riot Tantram:

Actually, Erdrik is correct here.

A report flags a game for review. They do not establish guilt. The game is then reviewed for harassment, feeding, etc. This is why 'troll reporting' or 'gang reporting' do not work. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out.

You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing .. unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing.

BananaSlayerAMO2 votes

If people are actually toxic every time they see a non-meta pick like yours, they will get punished.

Darkslyfox2 votes

After reading this thread, I believe that I have lost a few IQ points from pretty much reading your side of things here.

  1. Your main point is that you would like the system to look over some of the players that get toxic over things that "aren't against the rules." I'm sorry, but in your describing of this, you are pretty much saying that something needs to be done just because you got your feelings hurt. People have a "bad day" all the time, hell, even you possibly do. Though why punish someone just because they tilted once? Have you ever stopped to think that they are tilted not just because of your off-meta pick but because of you are doing horrible with that off-meta pick? Have you ever stopped to realize that people are maybe harassing you because they've had off-meta picks like yours in the past and had a bad time with them? The post you gave sounds abit selfish in saying "hey, this guy or this guy needs to be punished because they hurt my feelings." Most people who play ranked play it to get higher tier, and they don't want to be hindered by picks that usually don't work.

2)We get it, you're a one trick pony, but for god sake man, it's not THAT hard to train in another champ and use it to your advantage after you've practiced with it. I main Leona. I play here ALOT. HOWEVER, I'm not afraid to go into something else like Braum, or Soraka, or even an adc pick l iike Trist or Ashe just because they are a different style from my usual support tank pick. That's why normals and bots are there man, to learn champs so you can use them later in ranked. If you can play a champ that and use it to at least break Gold tier status, then keep at it for pete's sake. It takes a while to get used to ANY champ in this game.

  1. I'm really surprised that you even got to Plat with your kind of mentality. That mentality you have of being a "one-trick pony" and "wanting to punish others because they had ONE bad day" is that of a Bronze player. Hell, I'm a Silver player going up the ladder myself to get to where you are, but there is no way I would have the mentality that you do. It's no wonder why people in this thread think you're just trolling. I've read this thread enough to see how serious you are about the issue, and in my opinion, with this mentality you have, I'm NOT gonna be surprised if you lose that rank. Break lose of your chains, man, because you're just gonna keep on sinking lower and lower if you don't get more variety and start realizing what you're saying.
Kei1431 votes

isn't the anti-meta mindset especially strong at higher ELOs?

pls confirm or deny.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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isn't the anti-meta mindset especially strong at higher ELOs?

pls confirm or deny.

Plat isn't really "higher ELO."

It's just golds with slightly better mechanics.

Kei1431 votes

plat is top 5% no? thats pretty high , considering I'm in bronze.

also, the confirm / deny pls.

CooL Ice Tea1 votes

I would deny it. When I see someone playing hardcore off meta picks they usually fail with it.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Top 10%.

It might be pretty high, but you wouldn't know it between the higher toxicity and plain idiocy.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Also, more toxicity.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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Also, more toxicity.

Yup, which is half the problem. My Eve mid was fine when I was still gold.

ninjaroxas1 votes

One tricking is not trolling people like jfc there are people in diamond that mostly used 1 champion

TheSequelsRBad1 votes

Not sure what your problem is here. Riot does ban for both harassment and rage quitting.

Congratulations, your wish has come true, play eve mid to your hearts content.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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Not sure what your problem is here. Riot does ban for both harassment and rage quitting.

Congratulations, your wish has come true, play eve mid to your hearts content.

Not if you do it in less than 1% of your games.

The people who are "normally nice" turn into complete assholes when I do non-meta picks. And then they don't get punished, because they're nice in their next 99 games where the non-meta pick doesn't show up.

TheSequelsRBad1 votes

Eh I think that if you are inclined to rage simply because of an off meta pick, you will rage for other reasons.

Report them, and it will contribute to their inevitable ban if they are inclined to be negative.

And if not, they shouldn't get banned for one game unless it is atrocious.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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And if not, they shouldn't get banned for one game unless it is atrocious.

That's the problem though. People know they won't get banned (or even chat restricted) for one game, because it's not "atrocious." So they take out all their rage on the Eve mid without going overboard, and then make a mental note to not do that again for a really long time.

And then they get away with it.

And then the next game I get an entirely new set of people on both teams, and it happens again.

Jorencice1 votes

Still. What your saying is retarted and you know it.

You basically saying that people should be punished for extremely minor things that they dont do very often because of your "feelings"

Im sorry but even if every person in leauge harrased eve mids. Id call it worth if it was only every 100 games on average.

Thats a MASSIVE decrease in toxcitiy.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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Still. What your saying is retarted and you know it.

You basically saying that people should be punished for extremely minor things that they dont do very often because of your "feelings"

Im sorry but even if every person in leauge harrased eve mids. Id call it worth if it was only every 100 games on average.

Thats a MASSIVE decrease in toxcitiy.

Well people get 4 strikes before they permanently lose their account, so I don't see a problem with it. According to Riot's statistics, if they were punished quickly enough and provided with chat logs, 99% would stop doing it after the first chat restriction.

TheSequelsRBad1 votes

I don't think the average league player understands the system well enough to do that.

Jesus is Savior2 votes

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I don't think the average league player understands the system well enough to do that.

Most people make an effort to "understand the system" after they receive their first punishment.

And I mean, it's not like the "system" is hard to understand. I notice TONS AND TONS of people who will say obscure shit just to get around the "chat reading program." eg: "intentionally feeding" becomes "inting" in an attempt to not get flagged by the system. "open mid" becomes "open?" "Report <player X>" becomes "You all know what to do at the end of the game for <player X>." People spam the SHIT out of question mark pings instead of using chat.

You telling me you have noticed none of these things? Because these are all "average League players trying to get around the system."

ShinkoMinori1 votes

You deserve to be banned if you go eve mid

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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You deserve to be banned if you go eve mid

I guess you "deserve to be banned" for being gold 5 then? (EDIT: sarcasm, in case it wasn't obvious)

Because I could rank higher than that exclusively playing Eve mid, so obviously you're playing worse than me and "trolling" if you're only gold 5. (EDIT: sarcasm)

Do you see how ridiculous you sound?

(I really could rank higher than gold 5 tho - that wasn't the sarcastic part - the "deserve to be banned/trolling" was)

AdeBug1 votes

what i read is, and no offense: i dunno how to mute someone at first sign of harassment and get tilted because of it (somehow you managed to get to plat without learning this important bronze lesson) I've been there, i was trying to get S's with random champs for support like jax etc and not only people (mainly the adc) would talk trash in champ select, they would continue on to talk shit in the game and on occasion, actually feed! even when I was actually doing a great job and handing them kills, they were still not convinced so at times I had to leave them and be more helpful elsewhere and it worked. I went on doing this and we got wins, even in 4v6s, and I got my S's for the initial goal, and proving them wrong was just something extra.

If they're tilted til the point they do something punishable, then you report. Either way, mute, focus on your game and just practice w\e you want. Hopefully in normals.... ...reads some comments... Oh wait, this is ranked?! Then yea, accept the consequences UNTIL you learn a new mid OR become the first best Eve mid NA and everyone knows your name. Whichever comes first.

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