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This stupid "Solo carry" idea loses games! TDMers need to uninstall

HavokDash··3 votes·544 views

I really fking hate it. sorry for the language but I am getting incredibly frustrated and...yes....Toxic.. Over this pathetic idea of the "Solo carry" Riot pushes this stupid fking idea where ONE person has to get fed while the rest of the team starves. And what does that get us? Losses. Players get one or two kills, and the "Solo carry" attitude kicks in. Suddenly they are "too good" for thier team. They see their team as beneath them. So they start running off solo, chasing their own kills. They avoid grouping with the rest of the team and start referring to thier teammates as "Trash" And of course the team wants to be the "solo carry" and to do that, they need kills. So rather than pushing towers and taking dragons they are spending 30+ minutes just sitting in lane farming kills -Get kill -Back to base -get item -return to lane -wait for kill to show up -chase kill -get kill -Repeat!

NOWHERE in that proccess do they take towers. So I have had 30 minute games where the team will have 20-30 kills...And NOT A SINGLE enemy tower is touched. These god damn TDM kids need to uninstall. They dont care about winning, Only how padded their kda is. So they will sit there and chase kills all over the map, but they will never go after towers, they will never really group with their team, but they WILL be happy to call KS on anyone that gets a kill (other than them) I started out Silver 4, I am now sitting at S5, 0LP. Most of my matches lost because while the enemy team focused our towers and dropped them like they werent even there, mowing through our inhibs and towers like nothing. What was our team doing? All 4 other players chasing ONE kill across the entire map and telling how I am "inting" trying to defend the base/remaining towers against a 4 man onslaught.

Riot i hate your stupid fking "Solo carry" mentality. Stop pushing this attiitude, it turns a TEAM game into a god damn free for all. People are happy to throw the match as long as they can point to KDA and go "But I got most kills, so...worth!" Lost count how many times I have been flamed because I dont have alot of kills...AS A SUPPORT Support is not a Kill-focused role, it is about keeping the rest of the team alive. The fact that I have to repeat this fact over and over again shows how braindead stupid this community has become. They hunt the kills they ignore the towers They flame support for not having 20+ kills like them (of course if they do get fed, they will turn around and completely ignore the fact....SUPPORT KEPT YOU ALIVE LONG ENOUGH TO GET FED) and sit there talking about how "useless" their support is.

I am sorry for the rant but I am getting really pissed off. The game itself is good, this community however isnt worth the wasted oxygen, too full of themselves and completely discount anyone that isnt kissing their ass.

Again, appologies for the rant but I am at the end of my rope. Game after game lost because people seem to think "destroy the nexus" is an OPTIONAL condition for Victory. As long as they score enough kills, the game will give up and automatically declare them the winner.

9 Comments

Apost4 votes

The problem is the division you are in. Low elo players don't quite understand the importance of things so they just fall into the "COD mentality" which is "Let's get all the kills". Once you find yourself in better ranks teamwork and strategy are more prevalent.

But hardcore ranting about your team, while sometimes can be just, is pointless. You can only improve yourself and not your teammates and by taking a look at your recent games, there are some things that should be changed.

First of all, let's start with your most played champion Soraka . 34% win ratio in 32 games is quite bad so something must change.

Let's start with the masteries: **Cunning ** Wanderer, Secret Stash, Meditation, Bandit, Intelligence, Windspeaker's Blessing Resolve Recovery, Tough Skin, Runic Armor, Insight

Are by far the best choices, Ferocity is weak on Soraka since she is a utility support, you want to heal your team not kill the enemies.

Runes: 9x Greater Mark of Armor 5x Greater Seal of scaling Health (or flat health if you want) 4x Greater Seal of scaling Mana Regen (or flat it's your choice) 9x Greater Glyph of scaling Magic Resist 1x Greater Quintessence of Health 2x Greater Quintessence of Health Regeneration

This way you will be relatively healthy enabling you to heal even more.

Your Soraka builds are a bit of a mess as well Start: item 3301 item 2003 Rush: item 3504 item 2049 item 1001 Mid game: item 3107 item 2302 item 3111 item 3364 Finish off: item 3083 item 3190(if enemy team has a lot of AOE dmg) item 3222 (good Vs single target cc, like Thresh Death sentence)

Finally your summoner spells are typically summoner 4 summoner 3 . Only take summoner 7 if you adc is going to run summoner 21

As for your abilities start Q -> W -> E and max W>Q>E

Your Janna should pretty much look exactly like that on masteries/runes/build/summoners, minus the item 3083

Finally Zilean, this old guy is quite weak at the moment but if you so wish to play him

Masteries: Ferocity Sorcery, Expose Weakness, Vampirism, Double edged sword, Piercing Thoughts, Deathfire Torch Cunning Wanderer, Secret Stash, Meditation, Greenfather's gift

Runes: 9x Greater Mark of Magic Penetration 9x Greater Seal of scaling Health (or flat health if you want) 9x Greater Glyph of Ability power 2x Greater Quintessence of Armor 1x Greater Quintessence of Ability Power

Build (suggested)

Start: item 3303 item 2003 Follow up with: item 3098 item 1001 item 2049 item 2301 item 3341 Next up: item 3111 item 3116 item 3027 Finish with: item 3135 item 3102

Abilities: Start as: Q,W,E Max: Q,W,E

Cheers

DemonBoneJangles1 votes

forgive the intrusion but with preseason so close I don't thing adapting runes and masteries is a good idea, namely because getting used to them will take the remaining time before preseason and then the whole thing will switch and you will be back at square one with the rest of us, well those of us without pbe access. that's all just adding my two cents but if it comes into question I use a single rune page that hasn't changed since I made it in season 4 so yeah ^_^ gl and hope for a better preseason

HavokDash1 votes

The problem isnt really with runes and that, its more a community attitude problem. He kinda made a dismissive response to my post and then went on to "correct me" about my runes, items, etc. Completely ignoring the point of the post, being the "Yolo solo" solo carry attitude where people are so hungry to be the "solo carry" that they will completely ignore towers, ignore thier team, run off solo. and Screw over thier team because in thier own mind they are the best. In thier own mind they are the pro and dont need a team, they are the "solo carry"

Preseason will not change and will only get worse if riot doesnt fix this. The focus is too much on "How many kills -I- got" rather than "destroy the enemy nexus" I have had 30 minute games, with 30+ kills on my team....and Not a single tower even touched. Meanwhile our towers are falling like dominos (enemy knows to focus objectives over kills) and when we lose, these same "solo carry" players will turn around and throw thier team into the pit to save themselves "Well I did most damage to champions on the team, I got the most kills, we lost because of my dumpsterfire/trash team" These players fail to realise that the goal ISNT to have "most kills". It is to "Destroy the enemy nexus by fighting through and taking down towers" and as a support, I will get dismissed/flamed/insulted/degraded because I dont have 10+ kills on my kda. I can keep my adc healed and alive to help them get a triple/quadra, and still be told how "completely useless" I am because I have assists and not kills...

Solo carry mentality breeds a sickening "elitist" attitude, players think they are above/better than thier teammates (the way a rich aristocrat looks at a peon/peasant/vagrant) They see thier team as no more than scum on the bottom of thier shoe. Does not make for good victory conditions.

BereInBurta1 votes

{quoted}

The problem isnt really with runes and that, its more a community attitude problem.

The problem is... 1 guy actually managed to give you some good advice, and you keep ramble about your team, and "solo carry" mentality, wich has nothing to do with your rank.

What that guy above told you, focus on things you can control and you can improve on, yourself. Community won't change, but that's no reason for you not to improve at this game, but since you are fixed on this blabla about why you are stuck that has nothing to do with you, and it won't improve your game, you are pretty much stuck.

If you took that dude advice - to improve your game -, regardless if the "solo carry" metanlity was true or not, you would still climb.

Other than that... I feel bad for that dude wastiing his time to make a decent reply for you.

Apost2 votes

Exactly, I was not dismissive of your post at all the thing is you can't improve your teammates. I have tried to but it didn't work out. Treat your teammates are bots. They will do their thing regardless of what you want.

The only thing that stays the same in every single game you play is YOU. Focus on how you play the game, watch replays of your games, try to limit the times you get caught overextending, ward properly, check the minimap and so much more. None is flawless, but everyone can improve.

Again, I only mentioned some of the things you do wrong (because trust me item 3087 on Janna is not a good item) so you can improve on them.

There is no point on my going on about how your top laner should have built a more teamfight build because he is not here. He is irrelevant. The only time you should care about what your team is doing is during the game, after that only focus on what YOU did.

It's easy to start blaming your teammates about your loses and sometimes it will be their fault. But that does not matter one bit.

Also totally dismissing my points about your bad builds/runes/masteries kinda tells me that you might have an ego problem yourself. You want to analyse complex stuff like "what should a team do", while you have flaws on the very basics of the game. You want your teammates to improve without improving yourself. I have seen that attitude a lot and trust me it only gets you so far.

You have a win ratio of 32% which is very bad. You can be delusional and blame it on your teammates, while ignoring the fact that you a dragging yourself down with these godawful builds or take some advice from a fellow support main, sitting on Platinum III with 57% win ratio [slayer-jinx-catface]

DemonBoneJangles1 votes

I agree with friendly bot, while my original comment was just saying we are too close to preseason to worry about runes right now I do believe that he gave good advice, you can always improve and losing is more learning than losing unless its a total route (as in your team cant even take a single tower) you will almost lose 25% of your games from trolls, 50% from you and the other 25% from a bad teammate.

Supports are treated harshly yes but they also have the most hidden control in a match, a great support can sway a game dramatically while a abysmal support can doom a game from the gate, as a support main myself you learn to play to your strengths not your adc's because face it unless you play with them every game you will not ever know what your adc is thinking (me and my duo were extremely coordinated before we went our separate ways)

Rank has no place in normals, if people flame you about your rank just ignore those comments I'm silver 4 and routinely go against diamond and platinum players for god knows what reason and its been helping me improve little by little even though its frustrating

your builds do affect your gameplay, and unless you communicate your intentions to your teammates you can be reported for something as simple as attack speed janna ect.

remember to take a break after 2 losses you will be more agitated and likely to lose if you continue playing on a losing streak than you will if you take a break for an hour or so then come back

the community may be toxic at times, but the community does not define everyone nor does everyone define the community

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

HavokDash1 votes

I did not dismiss his suggestions and will take them into consideration. But It doesnt matter how good a person is if the team decides they want to run solo and end up feeding the enemy to the point of snowball. And everyone else is too busy chasing solo kills to actually work as a team. Yes I know I have alot to work on. But this is first and foremost a TEAM game, which means going solo DOES NOT WORK and ends up only screwing over your team. It doesnt matter how good a person is, they cannot 1v5 like this is CoD.

Again, I was not Dismissing his suggestions and have read over them many times. But This post is more about the "Im the best" solo carry attitude the community has that leads them to decide they are too good to work with thier team, that they dont need a team. And so they hold active disdain for thier teammates, look down thier nose at the team.

I know I am not the best, I know I have alot to work on. But I cant win my matches if people are too self-centered and obsorbed with "solo carry" to work with thier team, where they look at thier team as just "competition for kills" (as if there is a finite limit of kills and the first team to reach that goal wins, Hense the term "TDMers" because they treat this like a Team Deathmatch)

I appologize if my post came off as harsh but regardless of how much -I- improve, I am just ONE piece in a Larger game.

Again to use a Chess reference, It doesnt matter how big the pawn (me) is, if the other teammates are running off and getting themselves captured/killed. It takes a whole board to win a chess match, not just one pawn no matter how much that pawn improves. But people would rather scoop up the chess pieces and fling them at each other (Kills) rather than go for checkmate (nexus)

HavokDash1 votes

But the problem needs to be solved at the lowest levels. People play "solo carry" and no one corrects them or calls them out for it, so they just go after kills. This means more games will be lost and more players will be dropped down from higher ranks to lower ranks, which means they will have to deal with this attitude and will continue to lose thier games.

It doesnt matter HOW good you are, this is a TEAM GAME (Something alot of people seem to forget). Each lane does NOT exist in a vaccuum. If Bot lane runs solo and feeds thier lane opponent because all they care about is "my kills" and they dont give a rats ass about thier team. That means that thier fed enemy will get fed, go to other lanes, and then become EVERYONE's problem.

Yes I know all one can do is work on themselves, but this is a COMMUNITY issue. The level of arrogance and entitlement is sickening. People abandon lanes with an attitude of "Its not in my lane, so its not my problem" Well guess what. The lanes are CONNECTED. They are in the SAME MATCH. Which means if you leave it, IT WILL BE YOUR PROBLEM. This is a game where all players are on the same map, and that means what happens with ONE player, can have a ripple effect on the OTHER players. If bot lane is left to suffer a solo lane and unintentionally feeds, well that then becomes a problem for the rest of the team. One player decides they dont want to play with the team and do thier own thing? well that means the match is now a 5v4 with the added bonus of a free kill if you find the roamer. Players are becoming more and more "solo minded" where they expect the whole game to revolve around THEM.

Too many players are becoming more and more this "Solo" all-about-me attitude. Who cares what the team wants, What I want is more important. they take on a "Too good for this team" attitude. I mean look at how often people are constantly refering to "My team is such pathetic trash" "my team is a garbage fire"

I got out of a match where I was accused of INTING and my team was threatening to report me because no matter what I would try, I would get slowed by A Zilean and while I am slow, Twitch would load me up with venom stacks and pop the E to delete me instantly, and my team went off about how that was apparently me "inting"

People dont WANT to play this game as a team game, this god damn "Solo carry" attitude has turned this whole community into a bunch of elitist aristocratic douches. I mean the fog of "better than thou" in most of the games I see is choking. People in this community are so convinced of thier own "solo" greatness, they dont even see thier team as part of a team anymore, they see thier team as "beneath" them.

and why? all because Riot has this idea pushed where rather than the team working together, EVERYONE getting fed. You have to have one arrogant jackass who goes and takes all the kills, starves out thier team, then turns around and calls thier team "bronze trash" for being unable to survive a 1v4 ambush.

I look at the game like chess, Each piece has a purpose. and the goal is the checkmate. Bishop isnt above the castle, Pawns arent useless scrubs only usefull as cannon fodder. and the King/Queen isnt the "solo carry"

But With this mentality, it is! at least as far as Riot is concerned. Supports are just useless pawn, like slime on the bottom of the team shoe Everyone tries to be the King/queen so they stab thier team in the back at every opportunity (wait to help the team, avoid an engagement till after the teammate is dead, etc)

It shoudl be Team Carry, Go for the checkmate, Not fight over who has more pieces hoarded.

BereInBurta1 votes

{quoted}

"But the problem needs to be solved at the lowest levels. People play "solo carry" and no one corrects them or calls them out for it, so they just go after kills."

But the problem is, people make wrong builds on their champions, and end up with less then 50% winrate, and when someone gives them solid adivce, they ignore it and blame something else.

"they take on a "Too good for this team" attitude. I mean look at how often people are constantly refering to "My team is such pathetic trash" "my team is a garbage fire"" ISN'T THIS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING WITH THIS POST? :))))))))) common .. just... pff. the level of delusion on you is so high... you do everything you blame others.

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