RIOT DO SOMETHING WITH THE PREMADES ALREADY

Giggling Granny·Sep 20, 2017·9 votes·7,097 views

I am sick and tired every time there are more than 2 premades in your team the GAME IS ALREADY LOST....

wHY? Simple because the premades would destroy the game they would ether play for their selves ignore the solo players and more often lose because "we are stoned bro ahahaha" or they are gonna be super toxic and they are gonna curse and blame everyone except their premades...

THAT NEED TO STOP MAKE IT SO THERE IS A REPORT CATEGORY OF PREMADE ABUSE THAT INSTA PUNISH GROUP OF 3 OR 4 THAT ENTER A GAME AND DESTROY IT!!

The solo player have no defense against 4x reports for no reason have no defense against 4x ABUSE of 4 premades MAKE IT SO IT CAN BE REPORTABLE TO BE PREMADES 4 AND ABUSE AND DESTROY GAMES

This NEED TO STOP if you decide to go 3 or 4 premades you need to be play like you play AS YOU PLAYING SOLO many of this pathetic premades enter game and because they are premades they think they can do what ever

And there COUNTLESS times that you dont even want to be in that game and play any more SIMPLE BECAUSE THEY START TROLLING THE GAMEPLAY

DO SOMETHING RIOT 10000 SYSTEMS TO CATCH TOXICITY OF ONE PERSON TO ANOTHER HOW ABOUT 4 PEOPLE OR 3 DESTROYS AND ABUSE ONE PLAYER? FIX THE GOD DAMN PREMADES ALREADY

66 Comments

DrCyanideSep 20, 201712 votes

The solo player have no defense against 4x reports for no reason

Yes they do. The system checks if reports >= 1, then verifies the report. This means a premade is no more influential than a solo player in the report department.

Giggling GrannySep 20, 20171 votes

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Yes they do. The system checks if reports >= 1, then verifies the report. This means a premade is no more influential than a solo player in the report department.

yeah yeah sure...that what riot says but we all know that this is not truth...and its already tested...when multiple players report one person the person gets banned faster! simple because the AI system reads REPORTS and it starts count not 1 report per game it count all THE REPORTS from ALL 9 PLAYERS and it make them 9 reports!! this is the case since the report system come out...riot now try to say that 1 report is enough simple because they want people to stop asking in all chat "report X for Y"

RiotRiot TantramSep 20, 201744 votes

I've done this before. Let me post the ACTUAL line of code:

if (reportCount > 0) { ... }

It's line 57 of this particular class. I wrote it.

ModWulf HelhammerSep 20, 20174 votes

I think this might be on of the greatest smites in PB history

Giggling GrannySep 20, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rIOgTf8s,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-20T20:50:23.340+0000)

I've done this before. Let me post the ACTUAL line of code:

if (reportCount > 0) { ... }

It's line 57 of this particular class. I wrote it.

Even if we accept that you say the truth.....(which i dont know because when Lyte create the system it was counting as i say) still why we have no system that could do something against premade abuse? we have 10 different system on one vs one toxicity but its all fine when 3-4 players abuse the 1 -2 solo players? what the excuse behind that?

ModPeriscopeSep 20, 20174 votes

Go make a pre made. Match up with bots. Don't say a damn word. Have everyone report you. Figure out if RT is lying.

PoskeSep 21, 20171 votes

What do you even mean by this?

If Riot created such system

Premades would have reduced % influence granted 4 person influence would be higher then 1 person influence

but not 4>1 more of 2>1

People have mind on their own also. Doubt anyone / including me listens and reports someone when a premade says so.. like you aren t the boss off me

ModPeriscopeSep 21, 20171 votes

1 report is equal to 9 reports. Both will trigger a review. Premades hold no more power than individuals do when it comes to reporting.

I offered a method to see whether that is true to the OP who doesn't believe it.

PoskeSep 21, 20171 votes

I am very well how riot says it works

Its a bit hard to believe that x9=x1

I just mentioned that if premades had more power in a different system which riot had it was almost certainly reduced

ModThe DjinnSep 20, 20177 votes

[{quoted}](name=Giggling Granny,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rIOgTf8s,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2017-09-20T22:09:08.067+0000)

Even if we accept that you say the truth.....(which i dont know because when Lyte create the system it was counting as i say)

Tantrum coded the system, to my knowledge. Lyte was not/is not a programmer. The system has also evolved, and removing report number weight was an early change.

still why we have no system that could do something against premade abuse? we have 10 different system on one vs one toxicity but its all fine when 3-4 players abuse the 1 -2 solo players? what the excuse behind that?

The report system can do that. Because, again, it only cares about A SINGLE REPORT. So a single person has as much power as 4 others -- simply report them for what they're doing.

Giggling GrannySep 20, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rIOgTf8s,comment-id=00010000000000010001,timestamp=2017-09-20T22:56:56.227+0000)

Tantrum coded the system, to my knowledge. Lyte was not/is not a programmer. The system has also evolved, and removing report number weight was an early change.

The report system can do that. Because, again, it only cares about A SINGLE REPORT. So a single person has as much power as 4 others -- simply report them for what they're doing.

I find hard to believe that any of this new age Rioters touch Lyte system..they just took an finished project and claimed as their own...anyway i dont care about that...

The problem is that you need TO HAVE something against premades! right now you can report 4 players yeah..but guess what as 1 player they didnt troll but every time they go 4 or 3 premades they troll so they will never get banned!!

But if there is a report specific for premade abuse people who go as premades they would stop trolling and make the solo player gameplay a sad and tilting gameplay

That why it need to be different!!! i have see solo players that play normally and the moment they enter as 4 they destroy the game because they KNOW that nobody would sit and start report 4 players and they know that when they play solo they play normally so the system would never ban them!!!

THAT THE PROBLEM that why i say WE NEED A PREMADE ABUSE report category to specific target premade groups who destroy games FASTER than then normal reports because its more cancerous to play with 4 toxic troll premades than having 1 toxic player because with the 1 toxic player you have some counter against him against 4 you ahve nothing!!! and if you and riot fail to see the problem..then i dont even know why some of the rioter claim that they have study psychology....

Plus one more thing that was from the report system that riot "claims" that they removed is when you report many players your report lose value...yeah i know riot say that they removed that but i stop believing the new age rioters because from the 10 they say the 8 are lies...with proven data...so no i am not gonna waste 4 reports because riot have no system against premade abuse

RiotRiot TantramSep 21, 201714 votes

I find hard to believe that any of this new age Rioters touch Lyte system..they just took an finished project and claimed as their own...anyway i dont care about that...

I have been working on the PB systems since 2011 ... I wrote all of this stuff. Old and new.

yeah i know riot say that they removed that but i stop believing the new age rioters because from the 10 they say the 8 are lies...with proven data.

The 10 .. 8 .. what?

SpideraxeSep 21, 20172 votes

Two to the one from the one to the three.

Giggling GrannySep 21, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rIOgTf8s,comment-id=0001000000000001000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-21T00:33:39.388+0000)

I have been working on the PB systems since 2011 ... I wrote all of this stuff. Old and new.

The 10 .. 8 .. what?

who was giving the order of what to do? It was Lyte....i play this game since 2009/2010 and i was on N.A server when the N.A server was having less than 100k players and i was playing from E.U on N.A server with 70 ping and i have evidence for that.....so dont tell me that you were the one that were giving the orders of what the system should look like...nobody knew you back then...now i dont care if you become the headmaster of the PB team but the system was created from LYTE he was the one that give the ideas and the whole report system and tribunal was born..before that in order to report anyone you needed to do a ticket....plus the only change that i have see in the system is how the bans work..from 1-7-14-perma it become 10 game chat restrictions-20-14 days -perma....the only change that happen after all this years oh and the removal of tribunal...and you put a AI system to punish players rather than the COMMUNITY and RIOT to judge you put an AI system that just collect numbers and ban players...and every now and then we see false banned players....This is where the 10 and 8 is all about!!!

And you still didnt tell me what the counter against 4 premades abuse one player!! and dont tell me "mute" guess what i can do that against the one random toxic players but we have 10 systems of punish but we have 0 systems for punish against the premade abuse

ChermorgSep 21, 201710 votes

Many of us here have played the game for 5+ years as you have.

Tantram was quite literally the person that wrote the system. Yes, he may have written it while he wasn't the boss in charge of the department or anything like that, but he wrote the code that is in use today. If you can't trust him on this matter, then I fail to see who you will be able to trust.

It's like if you go to an airport for your flight, and they tell you it's delayed. Are you going to be like "well the person on the phone an hour ago told me it wasn't delayed"? No. Information changes with time. And sometimes newer people have newer information.

Giggling GrannySep 21, 20171 votes

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Many of us here have played the game for 5+ years as you have.

Tantram was quite literally the person that wrote the system. Yes, he may have written it while he wasn't the boss in charge of the department or anything like that, but he wrote the code that is in use today. If you can't trust him on this matter, then I fail to see who you will be able to trust.

It's like if you go to an airport for your flight, and they tell you it's delayed. Are you going to be like "well the person on the phone an hour ago told me it wasn't delayed"? No. Information changes with time. And sometimes newer people have newer information.

You know who told him what code to wrote? LYTE or you think you just start typing code for what ever reason and BOOM a new system is born...

NO Lyte told him "Create a system that would contain the follow X-Y-OMEGA" and Tantram just make the CODE!! SO dont tell me who to trust and who created the system....in a house yeah the builder build the house but the engineer is the one that design everything because if the engeneer screw up the what the house should be and where to be build the builder wouldnt be able to do anything! LYTE was the engineer on that House and Tantram was the builder...

And its not that i dont trust him...i dont care to trust its a game...not my life...But i have still not see a why Riot dosent have any counter SPECIFIC for premade abuse

ChermorgSep 21, 20178 votes

Because the system literally cannot be abused by premades, for one. For two, premades who are all abusing someone all get punished. Everyone's judged on their own actions - if a premade is all abusing chat, they all get punished.

Lyte may have had the vision, but Lyte's no longer there. Tantram is the guardian of the system. If he says a change was made (to remove the report counting/weight features), it was made.

If you didn't get that, Lyte left and now Tantram took over as the engineer of the house.

Giggling GrannySep 21, 20171 votes

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Because the system literally cannot be abused by premades, for one. For two, premades who are all abusing someone all get punished. Everyone's judged on their own actions - if a premade is all abusing chat, they all get punished.

Lyte may have had the vision, but Lyte's no longer there. Tantram is the guardian of the system. If he says a change was made (to remove the report counting/weight features), it was made.

If you didn't get that, Lyte left and now Tantram took over as the engineer of the house.

No they dont because as i previous explain Most of the times premades troll and curse only when they are in group! which mean that when they play SOLO they act normally but when they play PREMADE they troll they curse they destroy the gameplay simple because they have the numbers and every troll move they do their premades would back them up THAT WHY we need SYSTEM against this type of trolling!

Because if you report someone it would take AGES to get him banned simple because he only trolls as premades and not as SOLO! but if you have a system that QUICK catch premade abuse PREMADES and DUOs would stop destroy and abuse the SOLO PLAYERS! which is the case for 4 years now!!!

Ah and btw i know that LYTE has left and trust me the game suffers from that....i mean look what we got right now...Wrong banned players for no reasons every 3 days there is a case that someone got false banned from the AI system...a player got a 14 days ban because he QUOTE something...and he needed 8 days to talk with a riot support...leavers and AFKers get NO BAN right now people have realize how the AI work that your friend Tantram create and they abuse it by afking and trolling the gameplay without saying anything in chat......

The game is A MESS...players getting banned for no reason and they need 2-5 days to get unbanned and the excuse from riot is always "Oh well our AI system is still in work....:" AFTER 3 YEARS...still in work...

So yeah we all know that Lyte left...and we all can see the downhill the Player behavior systems has gone...

SarutobiSep 21, 20172 votes

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No they dont because as i previous explain Most of the times premades troll and curse only when they are in group! which mean that when they play SOLO they act normally but when they play PREMADE they troll they curse they destroy the gameplay simple because they have the numbers and every troll move they do their premades would back them up THAT WHY we need SYSTEM against this type of trolling!

Because if you report someone it would take AGES to get him banned simple because he only trolls as premades and not as SOLO! but if you have a system that QUICK catch premade abuse PREMADES and DUOs would stop destroy and abuse the SOLO PLAYERS! which is the case for 4 years now!!!

Ah and btw i know that LYTE has left and trust me the game suffers from that....i mean look what we got right now...Wrong banned players for no reasons every 3 days there is a case that someone got false banned from the AI system...a player got a 14 days ban because he QUOTE something...and he needed 8 days to talk with a riot support...leavers and AFKers get NO BAN right now people have realize how the AI work that your friend Tantram create and they abuse it by afking and trolling the gameplay without saying anything in chat......

The game is A MESS...players getting banned for no reason and they need 2-5 days to get unbanned and the excuse from riot is always "Oh well our AI system is still in work....:" AFTER 3 YEARS...still in work...

So yeah we all know that Lyte left...and we all can see the downhill the Player behavior systems has gone...

Would you mind getting some evidence of that statement? Ive duo'd before, as well as play with people who duo, or are in a pre-made. you are generalize and thus believe that everyone who is a pre-made/duo must be trolling. its idiotic to think like that because more often than not its just not true. So if you cant back up your claim stop using it.

With that said Everyone gets punished for their actions assuming they are breaking the rules. If people are duoing and only one person is toxic or is trolling they will be the only one to get punished. Why should i be punished just because im with that person? that makes no sense. nor does it abide by Riot stance of the punishment system.

Also please stop saying that people are getting punished for no reason. There is always a reason someone is punished. Whether they are toxic, or trolling, or for cheating (using bots), or if there is a security issue with their account they will get punished and in the last statement can get their account back if they can prove it is their account they are trying to access. The only other time an account will get unban is if the account was ban in error. Mistakes can happen and the system might catch someone and punish them. But a simple reply to Support will help you get your account back. So again as previous stated if you cannot provide evidence please stop saying nonsense like that.

Dont get me wrong. Yes there are some horrible people who play this game. They want to ruin your fun, ruin your games/rank. The best way we can help improve is to report these people. Mute and report and move on as most people do. Yes the system can use an improve and im sure the people who do these are trying to help as fast as possible. When you look at how its improved over the years we are punishing people at a faster rate because the system is improving. I remember never even seeing notifications on reporting people who broke the rules. But now because of this new system ive seen it quite a few time.

If you can actually help improve it by all means try and contact those people and help them. Make post here to help improve. But this post is doing absolutely nothing especially when you are lying or making up things to try and make your point legit. Im sure most of us here have been playing far much longer than you have, so we know how the system has been improving. If you dont want to believe us thats all on you.

Giggling GrannySep 21, 20171 votes

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Would you mind getting some evidence of that statement? Ive duo'd before, as well as play with people who duo, or are in a pre-made. you are generalize and thus believe that everyone who is a pre-made/duo must be trolling. its idiotic to think like that because more often than not its just not true. So if you cant back up your claim stop using it.

With that said Everyone gets punished for their actions assuming they are breaking the rules. If people are duoing and only one person is toxic or is trolling they will be the only one to get punished. Why should i be punished just because im with that person? that makes no sense. nor does it abide by Riot stance of the punishment system.

Also please stop saying that people are getting punished for no reason. There is always a reason someone is punished. Whether they are toxic, or trolling, or for cheating (using bots), or if there is a security issue with their account they will get punished and in the last statement can get their account back if they can prove it is their account they are trying to access. The only other time an account will get unban is if the account was ban in error. Mistakes can happen and the system might catch someone and punish them. But a simple reply to Support will help you get your account back. So again as previous stated if you cannot provide evidence please stop saying nonsense like that.

Dont get me wrong. Yes there are some horrible people who play this game. They want to ruin your fun, ruin your games/rank. The best way we can help improve is to report these people. Mute and report and move on as most people do. Yes the system can use an improve and im sure the people who do these are trying to help as fast as possible. When you look at how its improved over the years we are punishing people at a faster rate because the system is improving. I remember never even seeing notifications on reporting people who broke the rules. But now because of this new system ive seen it quite a few time.

If you can actually help improve it by all means try and contact those people and help them. Make post here to help improve. But this post is doing absolutely nothing especially when you are lying or making up things to try and make your point legit. Im sure most of us here have been playing far much longer than you have, so we know how the system has been improving. If you dont want to believe us thats all on you.

Evidence that the system ban for no reason...And this is just a few i found on my profile there are tons more...like the guy who got banned because he QUOTE something that someone else say to him and the AI system ban him...and many more

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/Ah8nb9Ah-banned-for-playing-ascension-differently https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/Gp2rNZ9E-500-trolled-games-in-the-last-year-biggest-troll-in-league-of-legends https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/qwM58MiE-permanently-banned-while-my-account-was-compromised

You need more? or we all LIARS?

Now about the premade abuse evidence!

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/30PRAOEP-premades-that-abuse-their-power-should-be-punished-by-being-unable-to-premade https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/RrN6JEPI-premade-groups-are-the-worst-thing-to-happen-to-this-community https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/LlEYIVlL-premade-players-abusing-report-system https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/LNX96f5V-this-is-a-good-example-of-what-premades-are-like

I guess they all LIARS like me huh?

Do you need more evidence? do you need evidence that i play longer than you? for what else do you need evidence? because i can provide...

So stop pretending that you know something...do a quick search on forums and you will see what the truth!! if you try to just be friends with a Rioter sure you can pretend that everything is fine...but when more than one says what i say its obvious!!! dont you think"?

So before you call someone LIAR go check...and if you need more evidence I JHAVE MORE for everything i have say! EVERYTHING because i am in this game and i have see things before you even knew what league was...the fact that you spend your days on forums and you become blue it just mean that you spend more time sin forums than me...and I HAVE EVIDENCE FOR THAT TOO

DeepInYourLadySep 21, 20171 votes

Well, the ones being banned for playing no kill ascension got unbanned, the troll got banned and the last got banned for a good reason, not Riot's fault cuz his password was 123456...

KloqdqSep 21, 20172 votes

Many of those above examples were biased just like this post and proven wrong. Hell that last example is just a bunch of premades talking in chat? They aren't even being toxic so I don't understand what that post is trying to prove? This is legit just a blanket post that says all premades are bad and shouldn't be allowed even though it is legit not any different in ANY ONLINE GAME EVER. Premades have no more power than one person. If they all troll then report them and they will get banned. If they are "only toxic in a group" then guess what, they will get punished for being toxic if you report them. Reports stay on an account and don't magically disappear when you on your own and not with a premade. You are grossly misunderstanding how this very basic system works.

Kei143Sep 21, 20171 votes

umm .. you can't understand the code?

it means "if there is 1 report, have the system check for toxicity". What the system comes back with afterwards is the same, whether 1 person reported or 9 person reported.

It doesn't increase the chances of someone getting punished.

Still don't understand the code? Here is an analogy.

1 Person is invited into a room and is asked "are the lights turned on?"

3 friends are then invited into the same room and asked the same question "are the lights turned on?"

1 person or 3 persons, the answer is the same. The program assign "a valid mark when there is a valid mark per game, it doesn't assign it based on the number of valid marks within the game.

JorenciceSep 20, 20171 votes

How does that matter. A 4 man premade is just 4 separate people.

Simply report all 4.

Then it's a one on one x4.

Problem solved.

Mizuki ZahraSep 21, 20171 votes

So I'm to not play with my friend because you don't like team games ok makes sense

Giggling GrannySep 21, 20171 votes

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So I'm to not play with my friend because you don't like team games ok makes sense

This is what you understand from that post? who told you to not play premade...the post is about when you go premade and you troll and curse and abuse the solo player because you are premade with other 4 and you think that you can do what ever you want in the game

Mizuki ZahraSep 21, 20172 votes

The only thing we do is go ziggs ahri bot because with communication it works and we get harassed by people that don't like duos

NinjaGuy69Sep 21, 20172 votes

I've done this before. Let me post the ACTUAL line of code:

if (reportCount > 0) { ... }

Hi Tantram. I hope you're doing well. Also, is the return type for this class Void?

zPOOPzSep 22, 20171 votes

This is just some line of codes. It is neither a class nor function nor method by itself....

CrazFight Sep 21, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rIOgTf8s,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-20T20:50:23.340+0000)

I've done this before. Let me post the ACTUAL line of code:

if (reportCount > 0) { ... }

It's line 57 of this particular class. I wrote it.

Omg im taking a coding class right now and I actually understood what you wrote, holy moly i feel enlightened and woke XD

PoskeSep 21, 20171 votes

Its kinda funny how none believes in Riot code XD

Ironicly enough it has that smelly smell

TrulyBlandSep 21, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sub HeroCro,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rIOgTf8s,comment-id=0001000000000004,timestamp=2017-09-21T13:22:23.651+0000)

Its kinda funny how none believes in Riot code XD

Ironicly enough it has that smelly smell

It has that "smelly smell" because you chose what to believe before you read the code. There's nothing ironic about you personally not trusting somebody that you choose not to trust. It's an absolutely pointless and trivial thing to point out.

BurklightSep 22, 20171 votes

If the number of reports doesn't matter, why would you use an integer instead of a bool?

Doesn't....

if (IsReported) { ... }

...make more sense? Unless the stuff in the statement that you conveniently leave out looks at the report counter again, of course.

TrulyBlandSep 22, 20171 votes

Just because a number isn't used in the process of flagging a game or reviewing said game doesn't mean it's not used elsewhere.

For example, if I understand correctly the overall number of reports (across all games) actually plays a part in how they determine whether or not certain phrases or behaviour are considered toxic by the community.

At the very least, though, it's an interesting statistic keep track of.

BurklightSep 22, 20171 votes

I agree with you, and that's actually my point. Tantram always pulls out that if check acting like the number of reports doesn't matter. If that were true, they wouldn't be using an int. Obviously they want to keep track of the number of reports and it probably IS used in several other places. It'd be nice if he'd tell us where instead of acting like the number of reports doesn't matter whenever someone comes out and makes a valid complaint about it.

TrulyBlandSep 22, 20171 votes

Tantram always pulls out that if check acting like the number of reports doesn't matter.

Which, within the given context, is true.

The person Tantram replied to said:

when multiple players report one person the person gets banned faster!

That was not a valid complaint because it is factually wrong as evidenced by that line Tantram posted. When it comes to an individual case of one game and one person, the number of reports that person got in that one game doesn't matter. I don't really see anything else being implied here.

BurklightSep 22, 20171 votes

You're conflating two points here, or rather, Tantram is, and you're falling for it. Tantram typically says something like "It only takes one report to trigger an investigation. This guy is saying "gets banned faster," which isn't the same thing as being investigated. I actually believe Tantram when he says it only takes one report to get investigated, but you almost certainly get more severe punishments and are more likely to get a punishment if you have multiple reports. Riot conflates these issues so they don't have to address the real problem of people queuing up together and all reporting the same person.

If being investigated and being punished are the same thing, then wouldn't 100% of reports result in bans? Assuming you think they aren't in fact the same thing, then what do you think is more likely? Riot counts the number of reports for internal use only and it holds zero weight on whether or not an account is punished, or Riot intentionally conflates these issues to avoid addressing the problem? Their track record makes me lean towards the second.

TrulyBlandSep 22, 20171 votes

Tantram typically says something like "It only takes one report to trigger an investigation.

Because the number of reports has never EVER in the entire history of League of Legends had anything to do with anything that happens past the point of where a review is triggered.

Riot counts the number of reports for internal use only and it holds zero weight on whether or not an account is punished

What do you consider more likely? That Riot goes "oh well, we're not currently using this bit of statistic, so we will just entirely discard it so we may never ever access it in the future to make our decisions", or that they will keep track of a statistic they're no longer using?

Besides, I've already explained to you how that statistic is still actually relevant in the punishment system as a whole without being relevant to individual cases.

Their track record makes me lean towards the second.

What track record? You can't just say stuff like that without backing it up with actual examples.

BurklightSep 22, 20171 votes

Firstly, unless you're a Riot employee, everything you're saying is speculation. I'm not suggesting anything I'm saying is fact either, it's also speculation.

How do you know they don't use it for anything after a review is triggered? Pretty sure they've never directly said that. They just say "it only takes one report to trigger a review" and then don't say anything about how the actual review works. Even if they have said that, I'm not ready to believe anything they say without evidence. You parroting back what Riot claims without evidence is cute, but also part of the problem.

I work in software development. You don't make things more complicated than they need to be unless you plan on using the complexity. There's no way they'd track the number of reports unless they're using it. You're basically saying "Riot says they don't use this number for the thing we're worried they're using it for, and Riot has never lied before, so they must be using it for something else that's totally unrelated from this thing they would never lie to us about."

I have to give Tantram an A+ tho. If he's got people as articulate as you on board with the kangaroo court, he's the man for the job.

TrulyBlandSep 22, 20171 votes

How do you know they don't use it for anything after a review is triggered?

Why would it be? A review is a review. It has literally nothing to do with the amount of reports. The only thing reports previously did do was increase the chance of being reviewed by Tribunal. Speaking of the old system: Why would they have removed report weight (which they have stated very explicitly) if they still relied on the number of reports in a single game?

They just say "it only takes one report to trigger a review" and then don't say anything about how the actual review works.

They haven't explained it in detail, but the bottom line is that they have their machine learning algorithm scan for negative phrases of varying severity. The severity being determined by the frequency of reports for people using such phrases in the big picture.

You don't make things more complicated than they need to be unless you plan on using the complexity.

And I've explained to you how that complexity is used. If I include the paragraph above, I did it twice.

no way they'd track the number of reports unless they're using it.

Actually yes. If you believe a statistic may be relevant in the future (which isn't too far fetched for this sort of thing) it absolutely makes sense to track it even if it's not currently used by the program code itself. We're talking about their player behaviour department here, which has literally only data as a metric to judge their system. For example the average number of reports per game is an important is pretty much the only metric they have for how much toxicity people perceive.

But hey, you already made up your mind. The only information we have, and the only information we will ever get on the system is by Riot. And you've made very clear that you don't trust them. You've also made clear that you will resort to ad hominems when people do trust them. Discussing Riot's system with you is like discussing future Mars missions with somebody who doesn't trust NASA's information no Mars and who will call people NASA fanboys whenever they cite them as a source.

BurklightSep 23, 20171 votes

It's a lot closer to someone telling me the NSA should be trusted because they never spy on citizens and are only here to protect us. You know, because Riot is actively banning people with a system they refuse to be transparent about, and whenever said system is questions, people like you come out of the woodwork and tell me I have to be wrong because the people we're suppose to trust to not wrongfully ban us are totally trustworthy. Remember how Dynamic que was the future because everyone wanted it the most? I still remember back when that was the truth.

TrulyBlandSep 23, 20171 votes

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because Riot is actively banning people with a system they refuse to be transparent about

You've made clear that you don't trust Riot... So how exactly do you achieve transparency from that position, when the only people who can give you the information you want is Riot?

Remember how Dynamic que was the future because everyone wanted it the most? I still remember back when that was the truth.

Never saw information that was more reliable than Riot's word that would suggest otherwise; keep in mind a vast majority of players doesn't actively contribute on the forums. That's the problem: Your distrust in Riot is primarily founded in your distrust in Riot.

BurklightSep 23, 20171 votes

My distrust in Riot is Riot's history of telling me what I want and being wrong more often than not. My distrust for their ban system is 100% based on Tantram's kangaroo court filled with social justice mob members.

TrulyBlandSep 23, 20171 votes

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My distrust in Riot is Riot's history of telling me what I want

They didn't do that, though. They told the forum community that their opinion does not always accurately reflect the opinion of their player base.

My distrust for their ban system is 100% based on Tantram's kangaroo court filled with social justice mob members.

So, to summarize: Your distrust for their ban system is based on your distrust of their ban system. Because that thing that your distrust is 100% based on (your words, not mine) is an opinion.

Azure HamsterOct 16, 20171 votes

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I've done this before. Let me post the ACTUAL line of code:

if (reportCount > 0) { ... }

It's line 57 of this particular class. I wrote it.

K&R formatting! YUK!! :D

Caitlyn

SarutobiSep 21, 20171 votes

And yet all those are from people who got their accounts back. The acension one got their accounts back, because they screwed with the system. It thought they were trolling. Again like the said the system isn't perfect, and like they said in that thread they got their accounts back.

Sadly yes there needs to be more evidence that shows someone was ban for no reason. Everything you listed was from someone who either messed with the system (and thus got their account back) or was punished according.

Giggling GrannySep 21, 20171 votes

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And yet all those are from people who got their accounts back. The acension one got their accounts back, because they screwed with the system. It thought they were trolling. Again like the said the system isn't perfect, and like they said in that thread they got their accounts back.

Sadly yes there needs to be more evidence that shows someone was ban for no reason. Everything you listed was from someone who either messed with the system (and thus got their account back) or was punished according.

Well they did get their account back but you say that the system has never punish someone for no reason...and only my profile in my first page i find 4 cases of that...i mean hell if they didnt get their account back then what ever...but yeah they did get their account back but that wasent your question you asked for casess that people got banned for no reason i provide in 1 minute of search 4 cases...imagine how many are out there...i remember alot i am just bored to search the boards....

SanKakUSep 21, 20171 votes

I was looking for a heavily down-voted post like mine and I found one.

What do you think about them making it so you know in the draft, loading screen, and during the game on the scoreboard who is in which groups/premades?

SkorchSep 22, 20171 votes

Wait a minute... Did you say that because you dont like premades. You should be able to report 1 or 2 and get the whole premade punished? Im sorry but lets say you are playing with a group of 4 and 3 of the members are pretty tilted, and flaming, and doing reportable things. But 1 isnt. The other player should get reported simply because they played with tilted people?

Im sorry sir but it appears that YOU are the one stoned today.