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@DeepTerrorNami #Respect is Earned

Woook3r··3 votes·1,954 views

"Everyone deserves respect on the rift". KK rito. Respect is meaningless if it is applied to everyone. But its your game have it your way.

Now this is what I think: If your support and jungler blatantly feed kills. FLAME THEM. IT IS NOT OK.

@DeepTerrorNami. Ive had about enough of this. This is the second time for getting chat restricted. Its not about how bad these kids suck. Its about the fact that they ruin the game by feeding. You all want to act like flaming can ruin a game. Well if your sup and jg blatently feed ashe 6 kills, the game is already ruined. Theres only one way I dont flame these kids and its if I am free to afk from the paiinful games they cause. The problem is that I have to either AFK or I have to flame them. I dont have to do both. Nami I need you to tell me which one to do and Ill start doing that one. Should I ping spam question marks as j4 wanders into a 2v1 bot lane with no items and no ultimate and no hope of surviving, or should I just afk right there? Which is better for the long term ban status of my account?

Sure. I bet it sucks to be ping spammed. I bet it sucks to be flamed. It also sucks to play draven into 6/0 ashe or 20/3 zed when you cant safely chose to afk. So whats the difference? If you want to do the fair thing, you need to protect feeders from flamers AND you need to give the flamers the right to afk.

57 Comments

Deep Terror Nami16 votes

In a perfect scenario when Player A flames or trolls you, you retaliate in one way or another, and Player A changes his behavior and you feel better then all's right with the world.

In reality, you retaliate and you become a problem for Players A - I. You make things worse between your team and Player A, and to everyone you're just the same as the one who started it.

Even if only the trolls you retaliate against are affected, nothing good will come from it. There are real people on the other end, and just like you they are affected by the actions of other players. For all you know your behavior can have real world consequences for them; you never know what they are going through.

The only way you're going to improve your experience here is to mute and report instead of giving them your attention. If you have to, /mute all upon entering each match, or move/hide your chat window. If you don't want to take the advice and be proactive about improving your own situation with the tools available, you're going to continue having a bad time.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Well said.

Woook3r2 votes

im not sure you read the op. why would i report a feeder? I dont care to. I want to afk their games. Its too painful.

HexaDecimel3 votes

So you are a quitter?

Woook3r1 votes

yea. i usually quit bad things before the end. if you were having sex with someone you thought was the gender of your preference and then found out that person was the opposite, would you quit? you big quitter. theres nothing wrong with quitting.

HexaDecimel2 votes

If you aren't prepared to play the match until the end then you probably shouldn't que up for a match. There is nothing wrong with requesting a surrender, but if your team doesn't want to then you are still required to play the game and attempt to make a come back. Your sexual preferences have nothing to do with this discussion.

Woook3r1 votes

me being a quitter has nothing to do with it either.

Woook3r1 votes

"-For all you know your behavior can have real world consequences for them; you never know what they are going through."

Well then start banning feeders. you never know when a feeder is going to have exactly the same real world consequences as a flamer....lets make feeders accountable for my real world behavior in the same way flamers are.

Flaming and feeding are equally unpleasant, nami. thats the point of the op. its just as unpleasant and if you dont want me flaming then allow me to please afk without consequence.

Deep Terror Nami11 votes

Well then start banning feeders

The punishment for intentional feeding is already a 14 day or permanent ban, so wish granted. However, you seem to not want to report them and want to instead take actions that fix nothing but result in punishment for you.

if you dont want me flaming then allow me to please afk without consequence

https://i.gyazo.com/a2b1b8a9c4445950fdaf5583c08160c8.gif

ModPrandine2 votes

{quoted}

im not sure you read the op. why would i report a feeder? I dont care to. I want to afk their games. Its too painful.

Two wrongs don't make a right. You afking in their games isn't gonna magically make them stop intentionally feeding. In fact all it will accomplish is you getting punished by Leaverbuster for AFKing yourself. Also, if you don't report them then how do you expect them to get punished?

{quoted}

"-For all you know your behavior can have real world consequences for them; you never know what they are going through."

Well then start banning feeders. you never know when a feeder is going to have exactly the same real world consequences as a flamer....lets make feeders accountable for my real world behavior in the same way flamers are.

That's the thing though, feeders are in fact banned rather than chat restricted. However, if you don't report them then you decrease the odds and chances of them getting punished for their poor behavior. By reporting them you make it more likely that they'll get punished sooner rather than later.

Flaming and feeding are equally unpleasant, nami. thats the point of the op. its just as unpleasant and if you dont want me flaming then allow me to please afk without consequence.

Sorry but no. It is your responsibility to control your own behavior. If you're unwilling to interact with others in a neutral or positive manner then just don't play multiplayer online games. Otherwise expect to be held accountable for your behavior both good and bad. Be part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

jpguy9025 votes

Stop posting on the boards and go play. The more games you play like this the quicker you'll get banned or put in a low priority que, so please hurry.

TrulyBland5 votes

Well if your sup and jg blatently feed ashe 6 kills, the game is already ruined.

If that already ruins the game for you, that's unfortunate... but that does not mean that's the case for everybody. It also doesn't mean you cannot make it any worse. The difference between people "ruining" games by being bad, and people ruining games by flaming/afking is that flaming/afking is done intentionally and, thus, selfishly. Playing badly is not selfish.

The problem is that I have to either AFK or I have to flame them.

If you feel like the only way of dealing with games like that is to either afk or flame, you should probably go find yourself a new game. Not only because that attitude will eventually get you permabanned, but also because it does not sound like you're able to get a lot of enjoyment out of this game.

Woook3r1 votes

inb4 someone makes you rage in your next game.

TrulyBland5 votes

Oh, people constantly make me rage. The thing is, I have enough self control to shout at my screen rather than take it out on my entire team by starting a flame war. Pressing enter, typing a message, then pressing enter again to send it... That's a conscious choice. Nobody makes you rage in chat. You merely choose to do so.

Woook3r1 votes

no body makes the feeders feed either.

SmokedAlmonds4 votes

Feeding is basically a derogatory term for losing. Feeders are made to feed by the opposing team. It is a skill deficiency between them and their opponent.

Woook3r1 votes

we all know what feeding in league of legends is. we all know that walking into a 2v1 with 0 kills and 15 cs is a bad idea. this is special

HexaDecimel3 votes

You don't punish players because they don't have enough experience or skill to win all the time. Players have bad games and should be given time to grow and learn. Players make bad decisions. That doesn't give others the right to flame them, troll, or afk.

And if you got what you where asking for you would be banned as well. Matches with 12 to 15 deaths look like they would classify as feeding.

Woook3r1 votes

i didnt say punish them. I said I should be able to afk.

HexaDecimel2 votes

No player should be allowed to AFK without consequence unless it is an emergency. Players who frequently do so are rightfully punished. Seems to me that the system is working.

TrulyBland2 votes

That's debatable, but either way they don't choose to. If they would, it would be intentional feeding and it would be bannable.

The point is that you have the choice of how to deal with them feeding. Nobody's forcing you to flame, nobody's forcing you to afk. You're merely trying to deflect the blame; which honestly makes me think you are 100% aware that your actions are not acceptable in a team game... If you thought this behaviour was okay, you would not try to so hard to prove you're not responsible for it.

Woook3r1 votes

Oh. So the enemy made them feed? I thought every game was winnable. I thought you could always come out on top no matter what? I thought that was the reason afk was bannable, because every game is winnable.

no. im responsible for it. I choose ban by flame rather than ban by afk. at least go down fighting. thats my choice. your choice is to respect everyone and everything no matter how much it degrades you and your perception.

#respectisEARNED

But hey, maybe you are just trulybland. make all the bland choices for me. ill take the spicy.

scazzman1 votes

AFKers dont get permabanned. they get exceedingly longer low priority queues. and it caps after a point

HexaDecimel2 votes

There is nothing degrading about being respectful. It's actually a very important trait that shows more strength in one's character. It's actually harder to be respectful to someone who doesn't deserve it. I doubt you will be earning any respect with your attitude.

Woook3r1 votes

Giving people things that they dont deserve ALWAYS degrades the thing.. Money, forgiveness, love, education, power, trust. Its all the same. It matters because of who you give it to.

Imagine if I said good things about everyone, even shitty people. Would you believe what I said about your prospective new hire? No. Because I will always say something nice rather than something true.

HexaDecimel1 votes

You seem to be misunderstanding the difference between being honest and being respectful. One does not cancel out the other and both should be used in conversation. Harshly criticizing players for their mistakes normally does nothing to help the players. And continuing to harass players when it serves no purpose is extremely foolish. If there is no benefit to talking then why waste the time.

Woook3r1 votes
  1. I think its quite funny that you think there is such a difference between honesty and respect. You must be confusing pity somewhere...
  2. It does serve a purpose.
HexaDecimel1 votes

Well its actually pretty sad that you cant tell the difference between criticism and constructive criticism. You can be honest without being a jerk, you can criticize without harassing another player. I choose to respect them because that is how I wish to be treated. You seem to be misunderstanding the difference between admiring or groveling to another player and simply having the decency to not be a loud mouth jerk even to those you feel deserve it.

I don't have to pity someone to respect them. I can crush someone in lane and not BM them because that would be disrespectful to not only them but to to person I wish to be.

And I can play with a teammate that sucks and feeds without harassing them. If they are open to advice then I will try to help. If they are not then there is no point in continuing the conversation.

The only purpose that being toxic and harassing another players serves is to put them down in some attempt to feel superior to them. It is extremely selfish and isn't the attitude of a winner. Team players life each other up because they understand that they cant do it alone.

However I am getting the feeling that none of this truth will resonate with you. And in order to avoid an act of insanity I will leave you now and wash my hands of this weirdness.

TheSequelsRBad3 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy3dIicSI_0

Angry Monster2 votes

why the hell are you calling on nami? Everyone knows that nami no longer a representative of Riot Games.

You are just a troll making noise.

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

I still participate in the volunteer program. The fact that I don't "represent" them with a blue label is a minor detail. They are free to request to speak with me for my opinion and Riot resources, they just can't blame Riot for what I say :3

GamblerOfLives2 votes

hmm..

spam pings the jarvan 4?? i think this is the correct answer

Woook3r1 votes

a like minded bro

Handy Sandy 1 votes

just take it as a joke and try to forest when ur garen or take on baron alone or sneak into the enemy base through the turrets and say /dance

Handy Sandy 1 votes

nvm listen to trulybland ignore my comment XD

TheLazySunbro1 votes

Im just trying too protect you Sona [zombie-nunu-bummed]

EvilDustMan1 votes

Nah.

Subject 51 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjzgbZL12VI

Riot expects people to pretty much act like robots. If I sense a troll or somebody wants to get an attitude, I WILL go after them. I will do just about everything in my power that isn't considered a "bannable" (Is that even a word?) of punishable offense. Take his jungle camps if he wants to sit and complain about how bottom lane took golems, take the mid's CS if he feels like having an attitude about my adc not doing too well in the bottom lane. If my adc wants to act like Hitler because I bought a certain item I will take his CS because "Supports need money too." Which isn't griefing.

Literally, I am already in gold. So if I get demoted from the losses it means nothing because ranked means nothing. (DQ) - How to deal with trolls and have fun with it at the same time. Don't tell me how to play the game m8

EvilDustMan4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oNOlgAep,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-07-27T23:41:09.105+0000)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjzgbZL12VI

Riot expects people to pretty much act like robots. If I sense a troll or somebody wants to get an attitude, I WILL go after them. I will do just about everything in my power that isn't considered a "bannable" (Is that even a word?) of punishable offense. Take his jungle camps if he wants to sit and complain about how bottom lane took golems, take the mid's CS if he feels like having an attitude about my adc not doing too well in the bottom lane. If my adc wants to act like Hitler because I bought a certain item I will take his CS because "Supports need money too." Which isn't griefing.

Literally, I am already in gold. So if I get demoted from the losses it means nothing because ranked means nothing. (DQ) - How to deal with trolls and have fun with it at the same time. Don't tell me how to play the game m8

Everyone stamp your bingo card, it's the dunkey video.

Subject 51 votes

^ Dunkey is the only one to have ever said that.

EvilDustMan4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oNOlgAep,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2016-07-28T00:09:44.825+0000)

^ Dunkey is the only one to have ever said that.

I suspect you misunderstand. Dunkey was being toxic trash. Linking his video is basically the worst argument you can make on this board.

Subject 52 votes

Trash talk has always existed in sports, no matter where. UFC, NBA, NFL, etc, etc. If you want people to act like robots and respect each other while playing competitively WHILE also trolling in a game, good fucking luck m8.

That is like: Being forced to play basketball with Henry, but Henry doesn't dribble the ball. Oh and by the way, this game is an official game not normals. Not only does he not dribble but he also has an attitude the entire game. Not only does he have an attitude the entire game, but he accidentally also scored on his own hoop because he thought that it was opposite day that day. Tell me that you are going to walk up to Henry while thinking

"Wow, gee, I really need to give this guy respect because he is a human being. I mean for all I know he might be suicidal." No that doesn't fucking happen.

ModPrandine4 votes

There's friendly banter trash talking and then there's just being a jerk. What's funny and harmless to you may not be to others, and if they have asked you to stop and you refuse to do so then that places you in the wrong for refusing to listen and stopping when asked to do so. From Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:

Trash talk is part of all competitive sports. It happens all the time in the pros.

Yes and no. Yes, trash talk occurs, but it has definite limits. Most of the things that are punished in game (racial, ethnic and homophobic slurs, sexism, etc.) would also earn you a hefty fine in professional sports.

A Tumblr List of NBA Fines (http://nbafines.tumblr.com/) (My personal favorite on that site is this indefinite suspension (http://nbafines.tumblr.com/post/1010368028/3-12-96-the-nba-suspended-mahmoud-abdul-rauf-den), simply for refusing to stand during the National Anthem.)

A List of NFL Fines for Taunting (http://www.spotrac.com/fines-tracker/nfl/all-years/fines/taunting/)

NBC Article on Fines Agreed to by the NFLPA (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/01/bizarrely-specific-nfl-fines-come-from-agreed-league-union-schedule/) "Excessive profanity or other unsportsmanlike conduct triggers a minimum fine of $10,500."

NHL Office of Player Safety (http://www.nhl.com/ice/eventhome.htm?location=/playersafety) Brendan Shanahan is the ****ing Bad Santa of the NHL. Did you know that his Office of Player Safety watches every minute of every game, from multiple angles? He sees and hears EVERYTHING, including swearing.

... and the grand finale! Marge Schott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marge_Schott), who was forced out of ownership of the Cincinnati Reds for racist comments and pro-Nazi sentiments.

Subject 51 votes

Except for in real life people can be removed from the game, whereas in the game there is a mute button that works just fine. If somebody wants to be offended they can feel free to use the mute button, I draw the line at griefing the game to an unplayable state.

ModPrandine2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oNOlgAep,comment-id=000a000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-28T01:13:42.169+0000)

Except for in real life people can be removed from the game, whereas in the game there is a mute button that works just fine. If somebody wants to be offended they can feel free to use the mute button, I draw the line at griefing the game to an unplayable state.

Yes the mute button exists, but it's not an excuse to constantly harass someone in the chat. If someone has proven that they refuse to stop verbally abusing and harassing others then they eventually get removed from the game in the form of a 2-week ban or a permaban. From the Tribunal FAQ:

What's the point of having a language filter if I can get banned for 'adult' language? We aren't out to punish players who use adult language; in fact, very few players are ever banned for saying stuff like "f***, I missed that skill shot" or "damn, fing close game!" However, the language filter is not an excuse to verbally abuse someone in the game. When you verbally abuse or harass someone by calling them "fing *****" or "ngger noob", that's when you've crossed the line and will be punished by the Tribunal. I've said this before and I'll say it again, we aren't trying to clean online games of adult language; we're trying to reform or get rid of jerks who like to verbally abuse and harass other players.

Why is verbal abuse punishable if there is a mute button/language filter? Players shouldn’t need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

Woook3r1 votes

TBH, a lot of my suicidal ideation comes from reflecting on that fact that about 80% of the population is unbearably stupid. JFC just thinking about that shit now...

Kei1435 votes

grab your bingo cards again!!

Sports trash talk comparison has been used !!

Now we just need a permaban rage message, how much money he spent and he'll sue Riot cos they are being thieves and took his money.

EvilDustMan1 votes

{quoted}

grab your bingo cards again!!

Sports trash talk comparison has been used !!

Now we just need a permaban rage message, how much money he spent and he'll sue Riot cos they are being thieves and took his money.

I'm going to make them one day.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

Maybe I should enlist the help of the Memes and Games crew to help make one. Probably will be very simplistic in look though. Maybe.

Chimewlan1 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

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