After losing several normals to players FAR better than I am, I've finally snapped.

Tèrminus·Jan 2, 2018·2 votes·598 views

Now I'm chat restricted and honor level 0.

I'll continue to lose to plat/diamond players, and even if I do finally fix my MMR after dozens of losses, now I can't even earn anything for doing well so it's all pointless.

Why don't I just feed every game now? The game's just going to mock me if I have the audacity to earn a good ranking somehow.

I'm sick of being told you can learn more by playing against better players. There's an upper limit to that. If the other player is TOO good, you get stomped too hard to figure out what you're even doing right or wrong.

I'm really not that good, and I don't want to be thrown against plat/diamond players in normals. Where am I supposed to practice if I can't play norms without being hopelessly stomped and tilted off the planet?

15 Comments

OxyrottenJan 2, 20183 votes

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Now I'm chat restricted and honor level 0.

I'll continue to lose to plat/diamond players, and even if I do finally fix my MMR after dozens of losses, now I can't even earn anything for doing well so it's all pointless.

Why don't I just feed every game now? The game's just going to mock me if I have the audacity to earn a good ranking somehow.

I'm sick of being told you can learn more by playing against better players. There's an upper limit to that. If the other player is TOO good, you get stomped too hard to figure out what you're even doing right or wrong.

I'm really not that good, and I don't want to be thrown against plat/diamond players in normals. Where am I supposed to practice if I can't play norms without being hopelessly stomped and tilted off the planet?

It helps a lot to analyze the games even if you are getting stomped. Figure out what movement or positioning or action triggered the "pro" jumping on you, or why they were able to win trades or poke you down etc. Replays was the greatest thing riot ever added to this game. Also go watch or spectate the guy that just rolled over you, how does he build, what strategies does he use etc.

I know you probably have heard it all before, but it helps to identify your mistakes. The game has a high learning curve, so it requires a constant process of improvement. That's the whole reason people get hardstuck, because they get settled in a specific playstyle or strategy when the meta (for the most part) is constantly shifting.

EL HAMSTEROJan 2, 20182 votes

its true. i hate matchmaking, but i think its necessary in this game.

matchmaking just makes everything feel so pointless. if you start winning you just get harder and harder matches until you lose back to where you were. everyone ends up at 50% winrate.

when you are new and play bronzes you win 50%. then you improve and you win 50% in silver. work your hardest and you can improve some more and win 50% in gold. why?

what is a players motivation in a matchmaking system? i dont know. bragging rights? because someone is going to be really impressed when i make it to gold? my friends wont care and i doubt my grandma will be impressed.

i honestly think i was happier in bronze being terrible but fighting terrible opponents. at least then it was funny.

OxyrottenJan 2, 20183 votes

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its true. i hate matchmaking, but i think its necessary in this game.

matchmaking just makes everything feel so pointless. if you start winning you just get harder and harder matches until you lose back to where you were. everyone ends up at 50% winrate.

when you are new and play bronzes you win 50%. then you improve and you win 50% in silver. work your hardest and you can improve some more and win 50% in gold. why?

Why not?

what is a players motivation in a matchmaking system? i dont know. bragging rights? because someone is going to be really impressed when i make it to gold? my friends wont care and i doubt my grandma will be impressed.

You need to want it for yourself.

It's like anything in life, if your not moving forward then you are falling behind.

i honestly think i was happier in bronze being terrible but fighting terrible opponents. at least then it was funny.

There is some truth to this xD

EL HAMSTEROJan 2, 20181 votes

yeah man i think you have to be really motivated to improve and be the best you can be to really enjoy matchmaking. i just like to play for fun. i really dont care about getting better at all.

OxyrottenJan 2, 20181 votes

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yeah man i think you have to be really motivated to improve and be the best you can be to really enjoy matchmaking. i just like to play for fun. i really dont care about getting better at all.

That's kind of where I am at now. When I first started playing I refused to play ranked for like years, didn't think I was good enough for it. Then I realized it wasn't a matter of being good, the only difference was you had to try and had to actually want to win.

Now I enjoy playing off meta crap and troll builds so I stay my ass in norms. So I know how you feel.

TèrminusJan 2, 20181 votes

I know this thread probably sounds dumb, but I just wanted to vent a bit.

Icy Hot ShotoJan 2, 20181 votes

If you're getting diamonds and plats in normals, then you're just as good as them if you and them are tryharding.

TèrminusJan 2, 20181 votes

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If you're getting diamonds and plats in normals, then you're just as good as them if you and them are tryharding.

I'm not, though.

I'm nowhere near that good. I WISH I was, then I wouldn't think so lowly of myself.

EL HAMSTEROJan 2, 20181 votes

i bet the problem is that you are good at the parts of the game that are hard to see. the parts of the game that are not so fun. thats the way i am too and it sucks.

like i always feel like im worse than the guy im laning against. i get out cs'd and usually give up a few kills but i have a good feel for what to do in the game. like when to go for towers or dragon and when to group up, where to ward and where the enemy probably is.

and then later in the game that guy who is so much stronger than me 1v1 starts getting caught out or isnt where he should be while i am. so i often end up going like 3-8 and winning the game. then my mmr goes up and my next lane opponent is even harder.

its really not a fun way to be. i wish i was the kind of guy who was good 1v1 instead haha. i bet those players who are good at fighting have a lot more fun.

Icy Hot ShotoJan 2, 20181 votes

Then they either are A) Trolling in normals to go against low ranked people. or B) Don't play normals enough to have a high mmr in normals.

Or they're playing with low ranked users.

Crede777Jan 2, 20181 votes

If you feel like you absolutely can't get better, there are three things you can do:

Duo with someone. If they are lower than you, this will bring down your MMR a bit (it does skew towards the higher player). If they are higher or at your level, they can provide feedback to you.
Watch pro streamers. Find someone you like or someone who plays the role you do. Against plats and diamonds in normals, it's usually enough to just do what that pro streamer does.
Just focus on CS and not dying if you're a top, mid, or adc. If you are regularly the lowest ranked player in your games, then you aren't expected to carry. CS is where the majority of the gold is. This is something everyone even pros can still get better at. If you regularly find yourself getting pushed out of lane (camped, dove, etc) then pay attention to the matchups giving you serious trouble and either ban them or avoid them. Also focus on vision since that gives you a heads up prior to a dive.

Jo0oJan 2, 20181 votes

I glanced through your match history, and it certainly is odd. Would you mind sharing some of the account history? As far as I can infer from the matches I've looked at, you're a relatively newer player that mostly plays bots and special game modes, and you have no ranked history.

I clicked this thread prepared to say something like "Playing against higher-ranked individuals is fantastic! You learn stuff you'd never figure out by continually going against bronze and silver players", but that's not the case here. Clearly, the game thinks you belong up there, while clearly you're not there yet.

If I were you, I'd submit a respectful support ticket to ask for some help. You've been thrown into the deep end, and something surely isn't right.

Alternatively, if you continue to play at your level, the game WILL eventually move you to the appropriate level. I'm just not sure how long that would take, and I respect how hard it must be at this stage.

TèrminusJan 2, 20181 votes

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This isn't my first account, but my older account was never higher than silver 5 so I'm not really much of a smurf. That's why I didn't play much normal PVP leveling up, since I already know the basics. I just wanted to get to 30 fairly quick-ish for the essence.

That said, I made the mistake of not taking the break and tilted myself into both a 25-game chat restriction AND a 14-day ban within like 3 games.

Which presents me with another problem, because now in two weeks I'm going to be out of what little practice I've had and STILL being matched versus plat/diamond players, which is only going to result in me doing even worse.

Plastic 5 ADCJan 3, 20181 votes

Play ranked against and with players with the same skill lvl as you?

TèrminusJan 4, 20181 votes

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Play ranked against and with players with the same skill lvl as you?

The entire point of playing normals is to practice for ranked so I hopefully don't end up in bronze.

Unfortunately, now I have a forced 2-week hiatus so I'm going to get smashed even harder in normals since being on hiatus means I'm not playing games to try and get my normal MMR back to where it should be. So my problem's only going to get worse, and I'll be trapped.

What am I supposed to do, play nothing but bot games for months until my honor and punishment levels are back to where I'm not at risk of being permabanned?