Intentional Lane Neglecting - A new report offense that…

50CaliberHecate · 2018-04-17T04:04:42.686Z

I can understand how a player can get upset because jungle doesn't gank mid for the first 10 minutes or so, but when laners start to be ganked by enemy jungle and your ally doesn't initiate purposefully because "you were bitching", that deserves a new kind of report for Intentional Lane Neglecting. I had a Skarner last game not gank for the first 10 minutes, it wasn't until I was pinging over and over that he finally started to head that way. When I finally think he's gonna go in to help me running from a 2v1, enemy mid and jng chasing me through river... he just stands in jungle farming. Then he says he's not ganking my lane because I'm being negative. That's super tilting and honestly loses so many games. If I do recall, one of the many little quotes you see on the loading screen states to "report anyone purposefully losing game." Intentional feeding and AFK doesn't some up a good enough report through the system for players to use against these kinds of players.

Lux OPApr 17, 20181 votes

You actually got downvoted and I'm upvoting you because what you're saying is completely correct, with or without verbal confirmation from a bad jungler that they are ignoring your lane.

Every single moderator or whatever they are called on this board seems to be completely oblivious to ranked meta style play. That makes their input pretty much worthless if the "toxicity" in question involves anything to do with meta, and the fact Riot continuously ignores that there is a difference between playing ARAM vs Ranked Draft makes it all the more infuriating.

If I played with these guys in blind pick or normal draft I would be polite as hell to them. In ranked? If they played in ranked queue with the apparent understanding they have of ranked meta I would tell them to get out of ranked because they don't know enough about it. yet somehow they're supposed to be judging player behavior from that game mode. okay. and if I tell them they're out of their element, my account which I pour hours and money into should be more at risk of getting banned than the people who have no idea how to play the game, competitively, deciding to queue into a competitive game mode.

Fix. Your. Shit. Riot.

Silent GravityApr 17, 20184 votes

If someone contributes less to any given team's chance of winning a match compared to others at the same rank, then the punishment they'll receive is winning less games.

Some people contribute less from mistakes, some contribute less from poor decisions, and some contribute less by annoying their team.

If someone contributes more to any given team's chance of winning a match compared to others at the same rank, then the reward they receive is winning more games.

Some people contribute more from consistency in play, some contribute more with better knowledge, and some contribute more by defusing whiny teammates.

If someone wins less games, their MMR goes down. If someone wins more games, their MMR goes up.

If the person on your team is making such poor decisions, know that you'll rank up and they wont.

Soon you won't be matched in the same games, because the MMR difference will place you in separate games. Unless there is some other aspect of your play that is an equally blindingly obvious flaw to a different observer.

VenompawApr 17, 20182 votes

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When it gets to the point that they are verbally stating ignoring my lane, that’s ignoring me as a team member.

If jungle isn’t obligated to help ALL lanes provided, even ones who need a boost, then I’m not obligated to play any role as seen meta. Players should suddenly be allowed to play Support top then I suppose, if that’s how “I think we’ll win the game.” Or 2 jungles, no mid at all, one to take top and one bot, cause that’s “what I see fit to win the game.” Do you get my point? Either scenario hits a lane drastically.

There’s a reason champions counter other champions as well, to get an advantage in lane. If that wasn’t the case, then helping a lane wouldn’t be to help a summoner get back on their feet, but to put a champion at much higher advantage than the enemy laner.

For instance, Zed facing Lux. Who has the advantage? Zed, of course.

Well now let’s completely balance him out to be on Lux’s level. Same spell damage, everything.

Now the lane is even and no one has any advantage right, cause Zed and Lux are even.

Throw in jungle Vi: she comes along and instantly throws a 2v1 advantage over Zed cause he simply doesn’t have any ability in his kit to advance himself to beat a 2v1. He isn’t fed so what makes him better than Vi and Lux together?

Jungle isn’t their to make things an “advantage” but to help someone get a kick start from their downfall.

If jungle can’t do that to provide for the team, then jungle should be obsolete from the game.

Jungler tries to gank / force a play. the laner gets a double kill. I've seen that happen a lot.

Rather have junglers out of the equation if they aren't certain of what they can do.

Swiftstrike4Apr 17, 20181 votes

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When it gets to the point that they are verbally stating ignoring my lane, that’s ignoring me as a team member.

If jungle isn’t obligated to help ALL lanes provided, even ones who need a boost, then I’m not obligated to play any role as seen meta. Players should suddenly be allowed to play Support top then I suppose, if that’s how “I think we’ll win the game.” Or 2 jungles, no mid at all, one to take top and one bot, cause that’s “what I see fit to win the game.” Do you get my point? Either scenario hits a lane drastically.

There’s a reason champions counter other champions as well, to get an advantage in lane. If that wasn’t the case, then helping a lane wouldn’t be to help a summoner get back on their feet, but to put a champion at much higher advantage than the enemy laner.

For instance, Zed facing Lux. Who has the advantage? Zed, of course.

Well now let’s completely balance him out to be on Lux’s level. Same spell damage, everything.

Now the lane is even and no one has any advantage right, cause Zed and Lux are even.

Throw in jungle Vi: she comes along and instantly throws a 2v1 advantage over Zed cause he simply doesn’t have any ability in his kit to advance himself to beat a 2v1. He isn’t fed so what makes him better than Vi and Lux together?

Jungle isn’t their to make things an “advantage” but to help someone get a kick start from their downfall.

If jungle can’t do that to provide for the team, then jungle should be obsolete from the game.

You literally don't understand how to play this game, do you?

50CaliberHecateApr 17, 20181 votes

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You literally don't understand how to play this game, do you?

Sure do, do you? Want to elaborate why you think I'm wrong? Cause I don't think I'm wrong and I'll stand by it 100%.

There is a meta, meta says jungle is there to HELP teammates. If he's ignoring his team, he's not helping, thus it is intentionally losing lanes out of spite. I'm not asking for a ganker, I'm asking for a human being to get the fuck off their high horse. I've lost more games asking for help from jungle then I have without. It almost seems like reverse psychology tbh.

HalcyonDwellerApr 17, 20181 votes

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If he's ignoring his team, he's not helping, thus it is intentionally losing lanes out of spite.

Whoah buddy, that's a HUGE leap in logic. I can think of probably 5 reasons off the top of my head besides spite for which a jungler could ignore your lane with good reason.

50CaliberHecateApr 17, 20181 votes

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Whoah buddy, that's a HUGE leap in logic. I can think of probably 5 reasons off the top of my head besides spite for which a jungler could ignore your lane with good reason.

mmmm nope, majority of them choose neglection out of spite. Blame "helping other lanes" for the pro plays, we all know a player is ignoring a lane to be a toxic asshole.

And I said ignoring his team, not lane. Which isn't a leap in any logic if you read it properly.

Yea, if he's successfully helping other lanes push and destroy, more power to him and my teams success. But when he's focusing jungle gold over lanes that are being constantly camped, then it's poor decision making. Especially if he blames me for "purposefully feeding" yet whatever the situation is, I end up dying to enemy jungle ganks or I'm just being pushed in hard.

I can't stand having the enemy over extended in my lane, a perfect time to gank, and my jungle chooses to gank enemy lanes that are pushed under their turrets, more so if he's intentionally choosing to because "I'm playing badly".

HalcyonDwellerApr 17, 20181 votes

"not helping" -> "intentionally losing" is a huge leap in logic. I went the wrong direction with my analysis, but the point stands. Choosing not to help is not the same thing as choosing to lose. End of story.

Swiftstrike4Apr 18, 20182 votes

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Sure do, do you? Want to elaborate why you think I'm wrong? Cause I don't think I'm wrong and I'll stand by it 100%.

There is a meta, meta says jungle is there to HELP teammates. If he's ignoring his team, he's not helping, thus it is intentionally losing lanes out of spite. I'm not asking for a ganker, I'm asking for a human being to get the fuck off their high horse. I've lost more games asking for help from jungle then I have without. It almost seems like reverse psychology tbh.

Yes, you are wrong about the concept of the jungling position. **Not just wrong, but outrageously wrong. **You have several low elo misconceptions. If I had to guess your rank i would say silver...maybe bronze with your attitude. Common misconception in lower elo is that it is the jungler's job to gank and to help losing lanes. Nope, the junglers job is to help get objectives. They also should only be assisting winning lanes if they do help a lane.

The jungler's primary role is control and secure objectives, not help lanes. If you can't figure out how to lane without feeding that is on you not understanding laning or the matchup, not jungler negligence or open neglect.

The jungler is not obligated to assist any lane as long as he or she is applying map pressure.

50CaliberHecateApr 19, 20181 votes

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Yes, you are wrong about the concept of the jungling position. **Not just wrong, but outrageously wrong. **You have several low elo misconceptions. If I had to guess your rank i would say silver...maybe bronze with your attitude. Common misconception in lower elo is that it is the jungler's job to gank and to help losing lanes. Nope, the junglers job is to help get objectives. They also should only be assisting winning lanes if they do help a lane.

The jungler's primary role is control and secure objectives, not help lanes. If you can't figure out how to lane without feeding that is on you not understanding laning or the matchup, not jungler negligence or open neglect.

The jungler is not obligated to assist any lane as long as he or she is applying map pressure.

See I miss the part where letting a losing lane KEEP losing was a smart idea? Seems like I’d rather want to help the losing lane catch up rather than let the enemy take a whole lane???

But that’s just my play style. Although I don’t choose to jungle cause it’s boring.

I’m not even saying a jungle HAS to tank my lane, but neglected my lane with ILL intentions should be a reportable offense. Everyone else made this thread into what they will and it’s not at all what I intended.

Swiftstrike4Apr 22, 20181 votes

Yes, that is the smart idea. Helping the players that are winning on your team, or even, gives you a much higher chance to win. You don't help the players too much that are already behind.

Helping someone who achieved 0/3 through their own laning go 1/3 resets their gold value and diverts your attention away from the teammates that are probably doing better.

Sure helping someone that is even or slightly behind is OK. But after they demonstrate the capacity to fall behind early in the game, it suggests that they are less likely to carry and know what to do with a lead if they get it. They might even throw their lead

Some exceptions to this for champions that scale well versus those that don't. For example, helping behind renekton is probably a waste of time, helping a behind anivia or veigar is probably not. Also helping carries over tanks too.

Imperial PandaaApr 18, 20181 votes

When it comes to assigned roles, you are expected to follow that role's guidelines, which basically just say where to go. Now if you want a different strat; like double jungle, you do need to talk to your team about it.

However, if I am assigned top lane, I am allowed to pick the champion I want to play top, even if that means Soraka, Zyra, Leona, etc. As long as I play with the intent to win.

So the only real META that Riot encourages is the top/jg/mid/ad/sup assignment of roles. Riot does not enforce a game meta for who goes what/where or builds what (so long as they have some scaling for it.)

Intentional Lane Neglecting - A new report offense that needs initiated

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Some people contribute less from mistakes, some contribute less from poor decisions, and some contribute less by annoying their team.

Some people contribute more from consistency in play, some contribute more with better knowledge, and some contribute more by defusing whiny teammates.

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