I wonder if Riot ever decides to unban perma banned players for an experiment, more inside

Pyrithegethon··1 votes·1,641 views

The experiment im talking about is seeing if Riot decides to unban perma banned accounts but give the player a warning with the account that if they do anything worthy of a ban even once the account goes back to being perma banned to see if any of those people truly reformed.

Now not all accounts get unbanned. You wont get unbanned unless you do the following:

They give the statement then you contact through support saying you won't do anything ban worthy again but the moment you do 1 thing bannable your account goes back to perma ban.

HOWEVER THESE THINGS WILL DISQUALIFY YOU

  1. Indefinite ban on the player.

  2. Account hasnt been suspended for more than 1-2 years.

  3. Account had numerous warnings and bans on it before the perma (say got warned, then chat restricted, then 2 day ban, then 2 week, finally perma banned).

  4. Account was sold, boosted, or was banned for scripts and game exploitation (azir turrets spawn anywhere).

  5. Account was banned within 6 months of creation.

Not saying they should, just wondering if they ever talked about it.

21 Comments

Kei1433 votes

They did run such an experiment before, where if you were permabanned, you can write in to get a 2nd chance.

Riot will link them to an alt account where they have to play till lvl 20 and if they didn't get punished, they will get their account back.

The result was 99.9% failure.

Pyrithegethon1 votes

Is there a source? Ive never heard of that before

Alpha Samsuni4 votes

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2411284 Why can’t you give permanent banned players a second chance? You will receive a better player.

Actually, this is the unfortunate problem. Allowing permanently banned players another chance is an extremely damaging cost. Do you know what the success rate of the Level 20 Challenge was? 5%. Do you know that for each person, they clearly outlined the toxic behaviors and had 1 on 1 conversations with the players to try to improve their behavior? These are players that were hand-picked by Player Support staff because they felt the pleas from these players were genuine. The success rate was still 5%.

Do you know how many games on average these players played? 100 games / month. When a permanently banned player fails to reform, they are creating miserable experiences for hundreds, maybe thousands of players a month. That's not a cheap cost or a low risk and we cannot consciously justify that, for the sake of the rest of our players.

scazzman1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Alpha samsuni,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=i605hzyI,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-12T00:44:33.094+0000)

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2411284 Why can’t you give permanent banned players a second chance? You will receive a better player.

Actually, this is the unfortunate problem. Allowing permanently banned players another chance is an extremely damaging cost. Do you know what the success rate of the Level 20 Challenge was? 5%. Do you know that for each person, they clearly outlined the toxic behaviors and had 1 on 1 conversations with the players to try to improve their behavior? These are players that were hand-picked by Player Support staff because they felt the pleas from these players were genuine. The success rate was still 5%.

Do you know how many games on average these players played? 100 games / month. When a permanently banned player fails to reform, they are creating miserable experiences for hundreds, maybe thousands of players a month. That's not a cheap cost or a low risk and we cannot consciously justify that, for the sake of the rest of our players.

they could have also just as easily been "hand picked" as the most likely to fail as sacrificial lambs in order to justify permabans

AeroWaffle1 votes

If you believe Riot to do that, you're not likely to believe any statistic they provide. Since you would just claim that they just made it up to support themselves.

TrulyBland2 votes

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they could have also just as easily been "hand picked" as the most likely to fail as sacrificial lambs in order to justify permabans

Okay, and why exactly would they do that? What do they have to gain from that?

scazzman1 votes

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Okay, and why exactly would they do that? What do they have to gain from that?

I'm not saying they did. but one reason i can think of, would be to further demonize "toxic" players, and further reiterate that their punishment was "deserved" by offering them a second chance, only for them to be rigged to fail

TrulyBland2 votes

Okay, but you still didn't actually answer the core of my question: What do they have to gain from that? How would they put this much work into this scheme (especially considering how small Riot was still at that point), rather than actually using the chance to actually reform players (especially considerhing how small their playerbase was still at that point).

You want to talk about demonizing? You are currently devising some sort of evil scheme Riot could be up to, but are not even able to come up with a sensible motive for that scheme.

scazzman1 votes

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Okay, but you still didn't actually answer the core of my question: What do they have to gain from that? How would they put this much work into this scheme (especially considering how small Riot was still at that point), rather than actually using the chance to actually reform players (especially considerhing how small their playerbase was still at that point).

You want to talk about demonizing? You are currently devising some sort of evil scheme Riot could be up to, but are not even able to come up with a sensible motive for that scheme.

I REPEAT: THIS IS OT AN ACCUSATION. merely a possibility . their motive would be to make permabans seem like a big deal, and decrease player sympathy for permabanned players, and make it easier to justify their aggressive ban policies.

TrulyBland1 votes

But why would they prefer those aggressive ban policies over actually reforming players?

You are spinning in circles, suggesting that Riot deals with the problem of toxicity intentionally in a bad way, so that they can keep dealing with the problem in a bad way. To justify this weird loop there would have to be a tangible reward somewhere along the line.

scazzman1 votes

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But why would they prefer those aggressive ban policies over actually reforming players?

You are spinning in circles, suggesting that Riot deals with the problem of toxicity intentionally in a bad way, so that they can keep dealing with the problem in a bad way. To justify this weird loop there would have to be a tangible reward somewhere along the line.

because riot's behavior development team is like the DEA. if they actually fix the problem they would be out of a job

TrulyBland2 votes

Oh yeah... their "behaviour development team", the thing that didn't really exist back then in its current form? If you read the original thing it says "These are players that were hand-picked by Player Support staff." Back then the support staff was in charge of this kind of thing. And they still had enough work outside of permabanning players.

Besides: All of this requires nobody outside of the player behaviour team to be aware of this, because this would only be beneficial to the behaviour team, while being actually pretty bad for Riot. Edit: Besides, are you arguing that the toxicity problem is really jus the same people being toxic over and over again? On top of that: The same people that are permabanned by Riot? There's still a huge job to do even when the tiny fraction of offenders gets reformed after having already been permabanned. Fixing toxicity requires maintenance, not a one-time repair.

bad arcade kitty3 votes

about 80% of permabanned players didn't deserve it and wouldn't be even touched in something like, i dunno, world of warcraft

Pyrithegethon2 votes

Im not sure i understand o.o?

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

They already tried giving permabanned players another chance.

Pretty much everyone failed.

Banana Nations1 votes

There was a time (I think around season 2) where they unbanned some permabanned players to see if they reformed after several months. I believe it was 98% of players got permabanned within a month. So its unlikely to ever be looked at again

Pyrithegethon1 votes

Aw rip them then i guess. Maybe they will try it again some time.

Astôlfo1 votes

No.

Waldotheanimal1 votes

They have tried things like it, and they have removed perma bans in the case of pro player known as Jensen. but they perm ban people for just consecutive toxic games now. no warnings just straight up

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