Just wondering?
If my camps are down and I have 60-90 seconds before they will be up again, and all the lanes are pushed to the enemy side of river (not gankable) I'll literally have nothing better to do with my time.
ie: I'll basically be a second support, but since I have no gold income item, there's no reason for me to not take cs.
420 grams3 votesTax them by killing their lane opponent. They're usually worth more than minions
Jesus is Savior2 votesTax them by killing their lane opponent. They're usually worth more than minions
Can't kill someone who is basically under the turret, especially if you're a melee jungler.
420 grams4 votesYou've never been turret dove? Do you only play bot games?
Jesus is Savior1 votesYou've never been turret dove? Do you only play bot games?
That only works in very specific situations.
You have enough armor (eg: like an entire thornmail) to dive, tank, and get out.
The opponent is low enough that you can one-shot them and get out.
If they have full health and you have no (or not enough) armor, you can't dive them.
420 grams3 votesInvade their jungle? Back and buy and walk to your next camp that'll be up? Ask one of the 3 lanes to not keep pushed up to turret so you have opportunity to gank? Go ward? Take dragon? Take rift herald? Prepare to counter gank?
Jorencice1 votesMeh if all 3 of your lanes are pushed.
The enemy jungler is going to be ganking soon.
Thats an easy countergank.
There are other things a jungler can do besides farming and ganking...
Tyrone Lannister3 votesYou counter jungle. Invade and get vision. Take dragon or herald. Take scuttle. There's a lot you can do man even if lanes are pushed. Also when lanes are pushed, you can get sweet counter ganks off
Jesus is Savior1 votes[{quoted}](name=Tyrone Lannister,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=i182fdQj,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-11-01T13:58:51.017+0000)
You counter jungle. Invade and get vision. Take dragon or herald. Take scuttle. There's a lot you can do man even if lanes are pushed. Also when lanes are pushed, you can get sweet counter ganks off
Can't take herald without help.
Can't take dragon without help before level 6.
I can already take crabs efficiently in the current jungle and arrive at my first camp just as it spawns. So in new jungle I'll still have 60 seconds, even after taking the crabs.
SexualizeOatmeal1 votesDepends on the character. Fiddle Sticks can easily level 2/level 3 dragon solo. AD Malz can solo herald at about level 3 (if you are careful, and let the voidlings tank as much as possible).
Kei1432 votesprobably not, but let the PBE stuff be PBE please.
until its live, its not official.
Jesus is Savior1 votesprobably not, but let the PBE stuff be PBE please.
until its live, its not official.
They have increased jungle timers 3 seasons in a row. I have no doubt it ill go live as is.
Jorencice2 votes[{quoted}](name=That Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=i182fdQj,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-11-01T13:46:37.889+0000)
Just wondering?
If my camps are down and I have 60-90 seconds before they will be up again, and all the lanes are pushed to the enemy side of river (not gankable) I'll literally have nothing better to do with my time.
ie: I'll basically be a second support, but since I have no gold income item, there's no reason for me to not take cs.
Your quite adamant in being a dick for no reason next season arent you?
Having to stand around bored? WElcome to support life with a passive adc bro.
Jesus is Savior2 votesJunglers don't get gold passively for standing near dying minions.
So no, it's not "no reason."
It's more like "welcome to the season 3 support life, where you have no items."
Jorencice3 votesGuess what. I supported through S3 as well.
It wasnt that bad.
Jesus is Savior1 votesGuess what. I supported through S3 as well.
It wasnt that bad.
Guess what. Supports have enough utility to be useful without items.
A lot of junglers don't. 
A lot of junglers also aren't viable in lane. I literally get reported for playing 
mid/top.
Jorencice2 votesLearn how to play more than 2 of the most feast/famine champs in the game?
Jesus is Savior1 votesLearn how to play more than 2 of the most feast/famine champs in the game?
No thanks.
Even if they drop to 30% winrate and aren't viable in the meta at all, I'm going to play them unless Riot disables them.
Jorencice1 votesThan you dont deserve to complain about changes.
Adapt or fail. Its really that simple.
Chamuel851 votesIf your camps are down, it's more like "I cleared the wave and am waiting for the next one." since you DO have income (unlike support). You just took it all. Lanes if you had not noticed aren't just a progression of minion after minion after minion with no respite.
Jesus is Savior1 votesIf your camps are down, it's more like "I cleared the wave and am waiting for the next one." since you DO have income (unlike support). You just took it all. Lanes if you had not noticed aren't just a progression of minion after minion after minion with no respite.
So I just stand at my gromp for 90 seconds until it respawns?
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesSo you only ever do one camp? Go take the rest of your jungle
Jesus is Savior1 votesSo you only ever do one camp? Go take the rest of your jungle
The rest of my jungle is gone, and my gromp is the first to respawn. In 90 seconds.
DrCyanide1 votesWhere are you getting this 90 seconds from?
Currently all camps respawn in 100 seconds. Riot's adding 50 seconds. Unless you currently sit around and wait 40 seconds for your camps to respawn you're not going to be sitting around for 90 seconds.
Chamuel852 votesYou could:
There is reasons to not take CS because it needlessly sets your laner behind automatically. If you are so good at clearing your jungle, you're on track. You're at level, at expected gold. No reason to steal from your teammates to set your team behind because you don't know what to do in the jungle. I jungle right now and it's EXTREMELY rare that all of my camps are down 100% of the time when I include all aspects of jungling, so I find it hard to believe the proposed changes will make you twiddle your thumb constantly.
Jesus is Savior1 votessince you said 100% of games all 3 of your lanes will be pushed up
Actually I didn't.
Reread it.
I was asking "if all 3 lanes are pushed and I'm reported for taxing, will I get banned"
I didn't say all 3 lanes will be pushed 100% of the time.
I jungle right now and it's EXTREMELY rare that all of my camps are down 100% of the time when I include all aspects of jungling, so I find it hard to believe the proposed changes will make you twiddle your thumb constantly.
It depends on the jungler. AoE fast-clear junglers like have no issues clearing the camps super fast. With (since I'm invisible) I can even throw some ganks in, and all my camps are STILL down.
Chamuel851 votesWell if you're lanes aren't always pushed up, you're likely having something to do, so I made that assumption to make the complaint not just idiotic. The spawns have been increased by 50 seconds, not 90. I doubt a full clear takes 40 seconds especially early. My guess is that you should try the new jungle and see what's going on. If you hadn't noticed, AoE clearing isn't going to be as effective. Many camps lost their mini minions. However turning yourself into a 'I have nothign to do. I'm coming to you rlane to take CS' will not end well for anyone and probably cause you to lose more often than not for a multitude of reasons. If you want to be the new type of troll, go ahead. Hoewver, I'm pretty sure you're overreacting.
Xidphel1 votesDo I need to come in and Robin Hood your lane?
69469238DEL11 votesGetting counter jungled this upcoming season is gonna be horrifying, prepare to never level up lol
Jesus is Savior2 votes[{quoted}](name=Hunted Horror,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=i182fdQj,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-11-01T14:00:43.893+0000)
Getting counter jungled this upcoming season is gonna be horrifying, prepare to never level up lol
You'll have to sit in a lane and leech exp.
"YI GO FUCKING FARM"
"I can't, I got counterjungled"
"So go counterjungle him then"
"I can't, I'm 2 levels behind and will get one-shotted."
Hyperiön1 votesCounter jungle.
Get vision in their jungle to keep tabs on their jungler. if he goes to gank, you counter gank.
Counter jungling is going to be a huge focus this season. I mean, look at the new build up to serrated dirk for junglers. (clear 5 enemy jungle camps)
So, if you take all your camps, all lanes are pushed and ungankable (although no lane is ungankable) just go into the enemy jungle. Get some vision, take away one of their camps.
Awkward Couch1 votesWith the new jungle, it's going to take longer to clear, no matter if you're playing Evelynn. It's going to take a while for you to clear Krugs.
During the pre-season, you might have 45-60 seconds where you have nothing to clear (this happened last year) but they do adjust the timers.
AFAIK it's never been bannable to tax lanes.
How are you gonna tax a lane if it's pushed to the enemy tower?
Jesus is Savior1 votes[{quoted}](name=Awkward Couch,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=i182fdQj,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2016-11-01T14:23:44.503+0000)
- How are you gonna tax a lane if it's pushed to the enemy tower?
Press Q on the wave when my ally is also pressing Q on the wave.
Chamuel851 votesJust a tip, showing yourself as a jungler on the map is an awful tactic. Knowing where the enemy jungler is located is a HUGE deal.
jpguy9021 votesInvade enemy jungle?
Jesus is Savior1 votesInvade enemy jungle?
Junglers generally follow the same paths (bottom to top), so his jungle is gonna be empty too fam.
jpguy9021 votesHow do you know the flow is going to be the same with these changes?
Jesus is Savior1 votesHow do you know the flow is going to be the same with these changes?
Because a leash will be required now more than ever, in order to defend against invades. So you will have to start bot-side for the strongest leash.
This is because losing monsters now is basically a death sentence, so if you get invaded level 1 and get your shit jacked you're fucked.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesHonestly, I think you may be overestimating the need for a leash. Stonewall created videos showing a basic, leashless clear for most junglers and none of them really had any major issues.
Obviously, the added clear speed and health is nice, but you can function without it (just like you currently can).
Jesus is Savior1 votesHonestly, I think you may be overestimating the need for a leash. Stonewall created videos showing a basic, leashless clear for most junglers and none of them really had any major issues.
Obviously, the added clear speed and health is nice, but you can function without it (just like you currently can).
"in. order. to. defend. against. invades."
If you get 3 or 4 man invaded at level 1 and your team isn't there to help you (which would happen if you started top-side) you're basically fucked for the entire game.
jpguy9021 votesI see. Well hopefully this encourages invades. I feel like the first 1:30 of a game is really boring right now but maybe that's cause I'm low elo.
Verxint1 votesI like how people have given over a dozen suggestions on what to do in that situation and why taxing/revealing yourself is a bad idea and the OP replies to every single one with "I CANT I DONT WANT TOO ITS TOO HARD"
Jesus is Savior1 votesI like how people have given over a dozen suggestions on what to do in that situation and why taxing/revealing yourself is a bad idea and the OP replies to every single one with "I CANT I DONT WANT TOO ITS TOO HARD"
Because those suggestions are situational. There isn't always something to do. It all depends on the state of the game, and what you see when you look down at the map.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesPretty much everything a jungler does is situational.
That is how the role works if the player is properly adapting to the current game.
Jesus is Savior1 votesPretty much everything a jungler does is situational.
That is how the role works if the player is properly adapting to the current game.
Yes, but with current timers, if there is nothing else to do you can default to "farm"
With new timers next season that won't be the case.
Bídoof1 votesOptions:
Invade enemy jungle - Push lane for a tower - Get objectives like scuttle/dragon/rift - Back and buy items - Ward the enemy jungle/river - Hold lane for teammate that wants to back - Wait for a countergank - Jack off for 60 seconds
ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votesPlaying the game in ANY fashion (off meta or whatever) is not restricted or banned in any way. Disrupting the game intentionally in order to give the other team a victory would. But what you describe does not fall into that category.
Just as you sitting in jungle while those timers tick isn't against the summoners code, going to lane and duoing while they respawn isn't either.