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Can my reactions to flamers and trolls get me punished?

Kikirino··1 votes·662 views

I had a top laner tell me that if I didn't gank for him he would afk and I said "go for it" and he did. I was busy getting mid and bot fed and he died in a 1v1 with his lane opponent twice and he blamed me for not ganking. This was about 7 minutes in. I had got mid 3 kills and bot 2 kills and dragon before he started calling me a shit jungler. I had a mid laner threaten to intent feed if I didn't give him third blue buff. I said "You are 0-6. You don't get blue" so he fed more saying that my team could blame me for his actions and I said "Yeah life's a bitch ain't it?"

My tolerance for these people has become nonexistent so when they threaten to feed or afk if they don't get their way I just tell them to go ahead and do it and when they start blaming me or other teammates for their actions I respond with "Life's a bitch" or "That's unfortunate" or something along those lines. I was just curious if this can get me in trouble.

22 Comments

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

Yes, it can. Retaliation is not an excuse to be toxic. There are other people in the game that you are annoying with it, and as much as you think a person deserves it they have the same rights you do, and you don't know what they are going through at the time either.

Kikirino1 votes

Can you explain how my actions are toxic? I am not saying they are or are not. I simply don't see how they are.

GundayMonday1 votes

read the summoners code.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Whether or not what you said or not in this instance is irrelevant. I'm only answering your question on whether retaliation to toxic players is punishable or not; in general it is, but it's a case-by-case basis on whether what you say is toxic or not and if it was at a toxic player or a positive player is not taken into account.

Kikirino1 votes

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Yes, it can. Retaliation is not an excuse to be toxic. There are other people in the game that you are annoying with it, and as much as you think a person deserves it they have the same rights you do, and you don't know what they are going through at the time either.

Just as retaliation is not an excuse to be toxic neither is having a problems in your real life. I don't care what you are going through. It is no excuse to rage and threaten to feed or afk.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

Let's take it to the extreme end so you can understand;

Toxic player: Anivia you suck, I'm going to afk if you die again. Anivia: just 'defending herself' You're garbage, kill yourself. Toxic player has been depressed all month, kills himself

Again, that's obviously the most extreme case, but to varying degrees this is why you don't return bullying with more bullying. It doesn't help you in the game, and it can be emotionally harmful in real life.

Getting toxic back never helps and almost always hurts in some way, and makes everybody a victim. You aren't expected to agree with their actions, you are expected to understand and have some sympathy. You don't even have to do that much, you can just ignore and report them (which is what usually happens).

Kikirino1 votes

Here is the part of the equation you are missing. I don't care what happens to the toxic player. In the case you gave they should not talk shit if they are depressed and in a vulnerable state. "I am super depressed and vulnerable. Better attack someone on the internet because there is no way they will attack back and push me to do something stupid!" Also, the Anivia is just as, if not more toxic than the toxic player. I never said you should fight toxicity with toxicity. Telling someone to go ahead and afk after threatening to is not being toxic. Telling someone to die after they threaten to afk is toxic. Saying "Life's a bitch" to someone that is intentionally feeding a lane and blaming you for it is not toxic. Telling someone that you hope their family dies of cancer for intentionally feeding is toxic. People seem to confuse "not being nice" with "toxic".

When my dad died I went through extreme depression and never once was toxic to anyone. I didn't afk. I didn't intentionally fed. I never threatened to do either. Hell, the same week my dad died I had someone say "I hope you know your parents don't love you and wish you were never born." Still didn't afk and feed or flame. I don't care what you are going through. Just as you don't care what I am going through. Just as Riot doesn't care. Having a shitty home life does not excuse being a piece of shit in any other aspect of your life.

Renaille1 votes

Yes.

o Maui o1 votes

To oversimplify, your responses are making a bad situation worse. If you don't have anything good to say, then don't say anything. If other people have bad things to say, mute them and move on.

ModPrandine1 votes

Like Deep Terror Nami said, retaliation is not okay. You can defend yourself so long as it's done in a calm and respectful manner. Once you start raging at a rager/troll, instead of one jerk to deal with your teammates now have two jerks to deal with: the original and you. If someone's bothering you then just mute them and report them if they're being real jerks about it as well.

LegendaryLemur1 votes

Don't be a part of the cesspool of negativity. Either mute them or respond with something postiive, and report.

EvilDustMan1 votes

Did you need to say 'go for it'?

Kikirino1 votes

I could have said "I am not going to gank your lane". I could have said nothing and he would have afked anyway after I didn't go top. I wanted to make it clear that he was not going to get his way by threatening me. Did I NEED to say it? No. No one NEEDS to say anything so why is there chat in the first place?

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

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I could have said "I am not going to gank your lane". I could have said nothing and he would have afked anyway after I didn't go top. I wanted to make it clear that he was not going to get his way by threatening me. Did I NEED to say it? No. No one NEEDS to say anything so why is there chat in the first place?

He might have afked anyway, but he might not have. Why say something that at best does nothing while risking escalating the situation?

Kikirino1 votes

Because if he does afk I can report it and there is no way it can be looked at as 'well maybe he wasn't intentionally feeding maybe he was just bad" or "yeah he was raging but it wasn't THAT bad so we will let it slide" not to mention I don't want to continue playing with that person.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

{quoted}

Because if he does afk I can report it and there is no way it can be looked at as 'well maybe he wasn't intentionally feeding maybe he was just bad" or "yeah he was raging but it wasn't THAT bad so we will let it slide" not to mention I don't want to continue playing with that person.

The problem is your unilateral decision negatively effects more innocent people than your target. It is not our place to make those decisions.

EvilDustMan1 votes

{quoted}

I could have said "I am not going to gank your lane". I could have said nothing and he would have afked anyway after I didn't go top. I wanted to make it clear that he was not going to get his way by threatening me. Did I NEED to say it? No. No one NEEDS to say anything so why is there chat in the first place?

Provoking is subtly different than silence. You need to understand this so you don't get further punishments.

Kikirino1 votes

I have never been punished but thanks for the concern.

PixTron1 votes

Yes, your reaction will always get you punished.

Did you know that Riot actually pays trolls and feeders for doing their jobs in RP?

They did so just to ban dunkey, y'know. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

EvilDustMan2 votes

{quoted}

Yes, your reaction will always get you punished.

Did you know that Riot actually pays trolls and feeders for doing their jobs in RP?

They did so just to ban dunkey, y'know. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or real, because some people who come to this board might actually believe that.

PixTron1 votes

{quoted}

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or real, because some people who come to this board might actually believe that.

Well, kinda being sarcastic, but you never know if it's actually what Riot is really doing, because it clearly feels like it. I mean, they praise the feeders and hate-speech spammers, but once someone actually gets annoyed about it and/or bursts in anger (or someone who does normally good at heart, at least), Riot is so quick to ban them. It's literally as if they want their community to be as bad as the trolls that lurk in it.

Palmeiras SerieB1 votes

As people already answered, yes.

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