Why is racism and homophobia not an instant punishment? (in game)

Jesus is Savior·Jul 26, 2016·5 votes·1,096 views

I make a point to report people every time they say the "N word" (racism word) or the "F word" (homophobia word) regardless of context, because those words are NEVER okay in ANY context.

Most of the time they won't get punished.

Why is there not a zero tolerance for such things? One game of saying that one word once, and you should instantly be escalated up a punishment tier (10 game chat restrict if never punished before). Why does it take multiple games of racism to see a punishment? It's literally the EASIEST thing for your automated program to catch, because certain words are NEVER okay in any context, so the context doesn't matter.

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32 Comments

Myrin Deez GainsJul 26, 20163 votes

I've never seen so many people in a game who are complete sissies. The number one reason people cannot climb in this game is BECAUSE THERE IS A REPORT SYSTEM. If people didn't worry so much about reporting, and spent more time focusing on THEIR gameplay and improving--- then everyone would improve at least an entire tier.

TeslynJul 26, 20163 votes

my god... these posts.. over and over and over..

let me explain... how is anything these people said anything greater or less than what you said. i can go on and on linking links.. but honestly .. you're not going to read them.. and i only read half of yours.

i am not saying that you are not a unique snowflake.. if that is what you want to think of yourself.. but what i am saying is ... you are white noise in the flood of this board.

let me ask you some questions and let me lead you into reality with them so you may never post this stuff again.

Q: did you report them? did you leave a comment about why you reported them? after the first or second time did you mute them? did you argue with them and try and get your point across to them? is someone at Riot paid to read your reports? do you think you are the only one reporting people? is less people playing this game your end result you want? Are your losses less than your wins?

Think about those questions...

now let me let you know alittle about me. Have you ever pulled a body out the water? i have. Honestly afew ... i remember the first one... he was just floating there and we happened to come up on him.. looked like a murder dump.. another guy committed suicide.. he was underwater for afew months before he surfaced... we got the call.. odd thing seeing the ears and nose... guess what they are the first parts the fish eat on a human.

ever hear a mother cry... like really cry.. we where looking for her son... the grandmother was watching him.. she lost sight of him in the water and then we got the call... searched for 4 hours before we found his body floating 1 foot under the surface of the water. i was happy i didnt see that one.. but it was around 10 at night... the water is quiet.. there is little to no back noise to drown out the screams of his mother... my buddy... he was on shore with her... he use to be a talkative person till that day... took him about a month before he started interacting with us again...

you know why i play this game... Because seriously.. fuck reality.. thats why i play.. it keeps me from drinking.. it keeps me alive. it keeps me distracted. if its not this game... than hopefully i can find something else.

thats why i play..

so if your feeling get hurt over words... and you dont use the tools that are provided for you to deal with things like this that yuo have to try and get community support over your feelings and how they got hurt..

just ask yourself..

Why do you play?

Jesus is SaviorJul 26, 20161 votes

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so if your feeling get hurt over words... and you dont use the tools that are provided for you to deal with things like this that yuo have to try and get community support over your feelings and how they got hurt..

just ask yourself..

Why do you play?

It has nothing to do with "my feelings being hurt"

If I'm not allowed to call someone else racist or homophobic slurs, then neither are you. And if the system isn't catching you, then that's not fair.

Also: it sounds like you need a new job. Having a job that you can't handle is not an excuse for calling someone the N word in a video game. If you're not cut out for that line of work, then you need to find something else. Or just deal with it when you get banned for snapping and lashing out.

rtbf221651412Jul 26, 20161 votes

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It has nothing to do with "my feelings being hurt"

If I'm not allowed to call someone else racist or homophobic slurs, then neither are you. And if the system isn't catching you, then that's not fair.

Also: it sounds like you need a new job. Having a job that you can't handle is not an excuse for calling someone the N word in a video game. If you're not cut out for that line of work, then you need to find something else. Or just deal with it when you get banned for snapping and lashing out.

The thing is people whine about racism and 'homophobia' (The word is a disgrace) like saying these words is equivalent to murder. You are one of those people. Grow up and grow a pair.

Dominick DestineJul 26, 20162 votes

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my god... these posts.. over and over and over.. to answer your question.. this is why : http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/help-support/VyUEEAkJ-how-would-we-report-people-with-racist-club-names http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/Lm5upRwW-i-am-not-racist http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/vEJwLrYv-shadows-are-black http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/2Ua0BREJ-racist-comments http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/1yEtf1LF-are-all-teemos-racist http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/j6ETBd7t-riot-is-racist http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/H1hbjbzU-am-i-racist http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/6WFGEvJ8-snow-is-white let me explain... how is anything these people said anything greater or less than what you said. i can go on and on linking links.. but honestly .. you're not going to read them.. and i only read half of yours. i am not saying that you are not a unique snowflake.. if that is what you want to think of yourself.. but what i am saying is ... you are white noise in the flood of this board. let me ask you some questions and let me lead you into reality with them so you may never post this stuff again. Q: did you report them? did you leave a comment about why you reported them? after the first or second time did you mute them? did you argue with them and try and get your point across to them? is someone at Riot paid to read your reports? do you think you are the only one reporting people? is less people playing this game your end result you want? Are your losses less than your wins? Think about those questions... now let me let you know alittle about me. Have you ever pulled a body out the water? i have. Honestly afew ... i remember the first one... he was just floating there and we happened to come up on him.. looked like a murder dump.. another guy committed suicide.. he was underwater for afew months before he surfaced... we got the call.. odd thing seeing the ears and nose... guess what they are the first parts the fish eat on a human. ever hear a mother cry... like really cry.. we where looking for her son... the grandmother was watching him.. she lost sight of him in the water and then we got the call... searched for 4 hours before we found his body floating 1 foot under the surface of the water. i was happy i didnt see that one.. but it was around 10 at night... the water is quiet.. there is little to no back noise to drown out the screams of his mother... my buddy... he was on shore with her... he use to be a talkative person till that day... took him about a month before he started interacting with us again... you know why i play this game... Because seriously.. fuck reality.. thats why i play.. it keeps me from drinking.. it keeps me alive. it keeps me distracted. if its not this game... than hopefully i can find something else. thats why i play.. so if your feeling get hurt over words... and you dont use the tools that are provided for you to deal with things like this that yuo have to try and get community support over your feelings and how they got hurt.. just ask yourself.. Why do you play?

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RedTaoJul 26, 20162 votes

It's pretty much the same issue with people telling others they suck and should go kill themselves. Riot just doesn't consider these people a priority.

Jesus is SaviorJul 26, 20163 votes

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It's pretty much the same issue with people telling others they suck and should go kill themselves. Riot just doesn't consider these people a priority.

There's a difference though. In the case of racism and homophobia, the words themselves are so offensive that they are never okay to say. There is never a false positive.

In the case of "kill yourself" there might be the rare instance where you're quoting someone, and a zero tolerance policy would trigger a false positive. eg:

Akali: This Graves is kind of tilting me. He keeps saying "kill yourself" and it's making me play worse. Sorry guys.

^ The above statement doesn't break any rules.

In the case of racism (and homophobia), the words are so offensive that even if you're quoting someone they are not okay. It is never okay to say them.

Lucian: This Graves is kind of tilting me. He keeps calling me a <N word, uncensored> and it's making me play worse. Sorry guys.

^ The above statement is still a rule violation because the word itself is super offensive.

That's actually why I have censored the words 100% of the time in this forum post. Because I would probably get temp-banned from the forums if I didn't, even though I'm just providing examples of rule violations.

scazzmanJul 26, 20162 votes

another acceptable case of "kill yourself" would be to call an execution to avoid feeding Singed does this all the time

rtbf221651412Jul 26, 20162 votes

Because this zero tolerance for the basis of special treatment is ridiculous and needs to stop politically.

I also haven't seen much racism and homophobia in my games.

Jesus is SaviorJul 26, 20161 votes

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Because this zero tolerance for the basis of special treatment is ridiculous and needs to stop politically.

I also haven't seen much racism and homophobia in my games.

I quite literally JUST had another game 5 minutes ago where someone snapped on me (for a non-meta pick) and called me a homophobic slur.

No "he has been punished" popup yet.

rtbf221651412Jul 26, 20161 votes

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I quite literally JUST had another game 5 minutes ago where someone snapped on me (for a non-meta pick) and called me a homophobic slur.

No "he has been punished" popup yet.

Bans are in waves right? So it wont be instant.

Jesus is SaviorJul 26, 20161 votes

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Bans are in waves right? So it wont be instant.

Only bot/scripting bans are in waves.

Chat/griefing/feeding bans are instant (within 5 minutes, usually within 30 seconds)

rtbf221651412Jul 26, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=du1Qz81U,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-26T05:10:35.448+0000)

Only bot/scripting bans are in waves.

Chat/griefing/feeding bans are instant (within 5 minutes, usually within 30 seconds)

Well that is interesting. However, it isn't just these two things then and shouldn't be pushed as such.

Jesus is SaviorJul 26, 20161 votes

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Well that is interesting. However, it isn't just these two things then and shouldn't be pushed as such.

botting/scripting is done in waves for a very specific reason: so people don't know how/why they were caught.

RueianJul 26, 20162 votes

Actually Context gives quite a bit. If you start saying something is bad in all context you tread very dangerous ground. the system is automated and tries to estimate context to my understanding. Give it time, if the are consistent they will be removed. But be reasonable

MagicFlyingLlamaJul 26, 20161 votes

I had a shaco in my last game. He ended the game with around 25 kills, 15 deaths. What he would do is lurk in the jungle, kill someone, then run into our base and die to the turrets, while killing anyone who tried to kill him first.

Riot has priorities.

Friendly RamJul 26, 20161 votes

All my games with racists asshats i got the person banned notification right after the match. Have you had differing experiences?

Jesus is SaviorJul 26, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Happy Honker,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=du1Qz81U,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-07-26T03:06:25.679+0000)

All my games with racists asshats i got the person banned notification right after the match. Have you had differing experiences?

Yes. Most games where they only say the word once, I don't get any popup.

I have even had a few rare games where racist words may have been thrown around 20+ times and he still got away with it.

centuriation55Jul 26, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Happy Honker,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=du1Qz81U,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-07-26T03:06:25.679+0000)

All my games with racists asshats i got the person banned notification right after the match. Have you had differing experiences?

I just spent 35 minuts listening to two people call me monkey and %%%%%% becuse jungle ezreal shifted into the enemy blitz and died. I got a chat ban for saying "report ezreal for being racist please". His response was "shut up %%%%%% monkey, you dont like it take my whip monkey". Still no notification 45 minutes later.

DGArchitectJul 26, 20161 votes

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TeslynJul 26, 20161 votes

probably going to have nightmares (memories / whatever you want to call them) tonight now.. thank you for triggering me.

Grow up

Dominick DestineJul 26, 20161 votes

regardless of context

You sound a lot more toxic than those you complain about.

Context is everything.

Jesus is SaviorJul 26, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=du1Qz81U,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-07-26T07:16:52.796+0000)

You sound a lot more toxic than those you complain about.

Context is everything.

Not for racism. There are no "positive uses" for the N word in this game. Not one. Context is meaningless.

Context WOULD matter if Riot banned based on the severity of the infraction (you CAN be more or less racist, or more or less offensive), but they don't, they use a "4 strike" system.

Dominick DestineJul 26, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=du1Qz81U,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2016-07-26T08:05:57.230+0000)

Context is meaningless.

That's where you are wrong.

You are FAR more toxic. If two guys that duo queued are talking shit to each other using whatever language they want, that's harmless.... conversely, if you are making a huge fuss about it and disrupting gameplay with your threats of reports and bans against those guys, YOU are the problem. Context matters, context is the ONLY thing that matters.

That being said; I agree that when someone uses it in a negative context , it should potentially add to their punishment tier if they have a long history of violating the summoner code, just as any other violation of the summoner code would do.

Jesus is SaviorJul 26, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=du1Qz81U,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2016-07-26T08:08:01.226+0000)

You are FAR more toxic.

conversely, if you are making a huge fuss about it and disrupting gameplay with your threats of reports and bans against those guys, YOU are the problem.

I don't threaten to report people. Threatening to report people is a bannable offense. And I never said I did, either.

......And you're supposed to be myfaceisop? I don't believe it. That dude could at least use logical arguments.

Dominick DestineJul 26, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=du1Qz81U,comment-id=0009000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-26T08:18:33.689+0000)

......And you're supposed to be myfaceisop?

You have lost the plot, young one.

Also that guy was a clown, whereas I was a legend.

Jesus is SaviorJul 26, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=du1Qz81U,comment-id=00090000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-26T08:20:51.914+0000)

You have lost the plot, young one.

Also that guy was a clown, whereas I was a legend.

You're saying I "sound toxic" because I'm complaining that the system doesn't pick people up.

And then throwing out examples of behaviors I don't do. I just wait till the end of the game then report them. Like I'm supposed to. I don't say "HURRR DURRR GUYS LETS ALL REPORT KHAZIX HE WAS SUPER DOOPER TOXIC"

Dominick DestineJul 26, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=du1Qz81U,comment-id=000900000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-26T08:23:09.890+0000)

I'm complaining

Yes you are.

The system is already incredibly hyper draconian, it does not need to be made worse , especially over complete non issues like inability to grasp the concept of context. The automated system will recognize people that are being abusive, it is doing a fine job.

TrulyBlandJul 26, 20161 votes

"Seriously? You call me a %%%got, just because I stole one cs?"

"Dude, chill... Saying %%%ger is likely to get you permabanned"

"Wow, Elixir of Iron makes Cho'Gath even %%%ger!!" "*Bigger"

etc. etc.

Banning instantly merely for the use of a word instantly doesn't make sense. I agree that regardless of what the words are aimed at, they should be bannable. But that's not quite the same as saying regardless of context. There are contexts in which the words are not aimed at anything at all. I mean especially take a look at the third case... a typo could get you banned if your system was in place. One slip from one key to the one right next to it and you get banned?

What I could agree would be that Riot (as long as it is feasible) automatically sends games containing those words for manual review. Should happen rarely enough (I hope).

TheSequelsRBadJul 26, 20161 votes

Pretty sure it already is.

Ellis McPickleJul 27, 20161 votes

Probably because this isn't club penguin, you should be old enough to realize its just a word, and mute them. The fact that you are so angry as to make this post makes me think you need a girl friend or to go outside more if words damage your vagina like skin this badly.

Miss SayuriJul 27, 20161 votes

I had games where I was sexually harassed by players and when I reported them nothing happened. Checked thier match history and they are still playing with out missing any days. The report system is still flawed but I trust riot is doing there best to fix these little issues and make sure people like this is being punished.