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Can harassment for builds/etc be punished more severely and more quickly?

Jesus is Savior··2 votes·992 views

I get a "high percentage" of toxic players in my games compared to others. Why? Because most of my builds/champions don't follow the cookie-cutter builds most people expect.

Evelynn summoner 14 summoner 11 -item 1041 item 2031 item 3070 item 3146 item 3057 "Eve wtf why no flash?" "Eve wtf finish your jungle item" "ggwp this Eve is noob" *a summoner has disconnected* "Eve you're not supposed to buy machete, you're supposed to buy hunter's talisman" "lol no boots report Eve for troll" etc

MasterYi summoner 6 summoner 11 -item 1041 item 3087 item 3031 item 3072 item 3508 item 3046 "Yi wtf go tanky" "Yi wtf wheres ur boot?" "lol full crit yi gg open mid" "report this feeder 10/10/10 yi for troll" "yi ur supposed to build bork, not BT" "lol essence reaver on yi this fucking troll" etc

Fuck off. I don't need to hear this shit every game. And you should be banned for it. I have had entire games thrown because someone wanted to act like a baby because of my build and troll (and I have also unintentionally thrown games because it tilted me and I played worse).

And for reference: I got to plat last season on Eve with no jungle item and no boots (although tear is new, because I got tired of running out of mana, the constant nerfs to blue buff duration, etc.... And it lets me solo herald with gunblade)

Also for reference: before Yi mains started going bruiser a couple seasons ago, crit-yi was actually the only way to build him. It is still just as effective as ever - it's just more dangerous than "meta" builds.

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18 Comments

Dynikus5 votes

Fuck off. I don't need to hear this shit every game. And you should be banned for it.

If you build like this, you should expect people to question you. If you don't want to hear it, don't do it. Someone questioning a strange build shouldn't be any more banworthy than building like that in the first place.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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If you build like this, you should expect people to question you. If you don't want to hear it, don't do it. Someone questioning a strange build shouldn't be any more banworthy than building like that in the first place.

They don't "question" it.

They berate, harass, and AFK because of it.

And really they should shut up and mind their own business.

elduris2 votes

If you're getting harassed, yeah report those folks. But if they're just asking a question, it's on you to either ignore them or give them an answer. I think reasonable questions deserve reasonable answers.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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If you're getting harassed, yeah report those folks. But if they're just asking a question, it's on you to either ignore them or give them an answer. I think reasonable questions deserve reasonable answers.

Pretty sure I've made it clear that most people are not "reasonable."

I'll have people saying "gg" and calling "open mid" just because I started machete with no pots on Master Yi. Meanwhile most patches that's actually the highest winrate start in platinum+ games for Master Yi.

Actually the most common phrase is: (about 15 minutes into the game) "Yi wtf is wrong with your items?" (This is before they start typing paragraphs about how to fix my items and calling me "boosted" and "noob" and "how much did my plat account cost last season?")

You saying that even if they just said "Yi wtf is wrong with your items?" and left it at that, and didn't escalate it, that this specific statement is "reasonable"?

(Note: asking me how much my account costed and/or calling me boosted is probably the SECOND most common statement I get in my games - it's really getting fucking old, and this game is really starting to be unfun and suck)

elduris1 votes

Ultimately, it's up to you to determine if you think someone is being reasonable or not. If you don't think they're being reasonable with their questions, you can choose to not answer them or report them if you are feeling harassed.

Though, I have to say, I'm not sure why Machete and no pots is the highest winrate start for Yi in Plat+ games. The 150 gold you save from not buying pots is negligible in the end. But if you find that you don't really need the regen, then I don't see what's wrong in skipping them. Though I'm not a Plat player so my experience may differ from yours.

I would like to mention however that skipping the jungle item means you lose out on a lot of bonus XP you could be getting. Even if you don't buy the enchantment, I think completing the base item is pretty cost-effective for what you get out of it. Chilling Smite, Challenging Smite, and the free wards are all nice to have in mid game.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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Though, I have to say, I'm not sure why Machete and no pots is the highest winrate start for Yi in Plat+ games.

Because meditate. If you want to, you can take rank 2 meditate at level 3 (you don't have to though) and you'll literally be full health for the entire game. Pots basically become useless once you have any form of AD (lifesteal).

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I would like to mention however that skipping the jungle item means you lose out on a lot of bonus XP you could be getting.

This is false. Do people not even read the patch notes? This changed like 20 patches ago. You get full experience (and gold) with only a single jungle item (talisman OR machete). You don't need both. You don't need to upgrade. "Jungle bonus experience" is basically a "unique passive" now. They did this to help them balance the jungle experience more easily (so someone getting first blood, backing, and grabbing an upgrade wouldn't outlevel someone who doesn't by a huge margin).

Also: losing out on the smite upgrade is negligible, since I can instead just use it on monsters (and ALWAYS have it up for dragon/etc because I didn't waste it on a champion).

SwainLaneWinGame2 votes

If it was something like "Oh hey eve how come you're buying X item on jungle eve?

And similar. However, League kids do not act this mature or this nice.

Usually its how the OP describes.

Kei1431 votes

why not buy the hunter's talisman instead of the machete if you have mana problems?

Also people in plat are more known for following meta.

Also, harassment is harassment, it'll be treated the same within the system.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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why not buy the hunter's talisman instead of the machete if you have mana problems?

Also people in plat are more known for following meta.

Also, harassment is harassment, it'll be treated the same within the system.

Talisman does not offer mana regeneration while doing dragon/herald/baron because it only works in the jungle, not the river/epic monster pits.

Machete works against epic monsters to its full effect.

ie: I would still have mana issues with talisman.

SEKAI1 votes

Why don't you at least finish your jg item? The point of jg item is that your smite won't be useless outside of jg, on top of enhancing your jg style and otherwise your champ's particular strength, which is just awesome and a must for everyone who decides to jg. And even if you hate it or something, fine, at sell it after early game and get some boots or something whatever, why waste that slot entirely?

The way I see it, the problem is 2 fold: Your approach with the jg item is seriously just weird. And then people are freaking out jumping the gun, which adds another layer of problem.

BUT, them getting a bit suspicious isn't really wrong there, not entirely, but the concerns are well-meant and I can at least understand where they're coming from, even if their method and execution are utterly unideal.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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Why don't you at least finish your jg item? Or sell it after early game and get some boots or something, why waste that slot entirely?

Selling machete = lose out on like 100 gold (350 - 250 sellback = 100 gold spent).

Selling full jungle item = lose out on like 800 gold (2625 - 1837 sellback = 788 gold spent).

Jungle item also delays both AP and AD powerspikes (the AD/AS jungle items give no crit or lifesteal, delaying a late game crit powerspike, and the AP item is similar, since AP items give huge ratios like lich bane, or increase your total AP like deathcap, and building it delays all these).

I can also sell a machete early (around level 12-14) and I'm not missing out on anything. If I sell a full jungle item early, I'm basically throwing away 800 gold which used to be stats.

SEKAI1 votes

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Selling machete = lose out on like 100 gold (350 - 250 sellback = 100 gold spent).

Selling full jungle item = lose out on like 800 gold (2625 - 1837 sellback = 788 gold spent).

Jungle item also delays both AP and AD powerspikes (the AD/AS jungle items give no crit or lifesteal, delaying a late game crit powerspike, and the AP item is similar, since AP items give huge ratios like lich bane, or increase your total AP like deathcap, and building it delays all these).

I can also sell a machete early (around level 12-14) and I'm not missing out on anything. If I sell a full jungle item early, I'm basically throwing away 800 gold which used to be stats.

Jg items provide champion empowerment like any other item, it gives pretty sizeable amount of jg clearing steroids with jg exclusive stats, and the biggest draw is the enhanced smites that can be used on enemy players for extra and prominent effects such as giving a CC'less champ such as Yi an actual CC for once for example.

Jg item isn't useless.

It can delay stat powerspikes a little bit since the jg items themselves lack in those stats' department (but not absent, because you can always build into enchantments like say Warrior after the completion of your jg item of choice), and trust me, a jg item is much more worth in early game and providing jg control/presence than any of those things like raw AD/AP.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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Jg items provide champion empowerment like any other item, it gives pretty sizeable amount of jg clearing steroids with jg exclusive stats, and the biggest draw is the enhanced smites that can be used on enemy players for extra and prominent effects such as giving a CC'less champ such as Yi an actual CC for once for example.

Jg item isn't useless.

It can delay stat powerspikes a little bit since the jg items themselves lack in those stats' department (but not absent, because you can always build into enchantments like say Warrior after the completion of your jg item of choice), and trust me, a jg item is much more worth in early game and providing jg control/presence than any of those things like raw AD/AP.

I got to platinum without a jungle item.

If that's your main account.... You haven't. Ever.

Sorry, I know what I'm doing. I don't like jungle items. Ever since they got rid of runeglaive (actual good powerspike and late game scaling) and devourer (infinite scaling) they've been trash.

FurriesAreHot1 votes

Why do people think rank is a valid arguement?

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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Why do people think rank is a valid arguement?

Well I didn't even ask for or want his advice anyway, so....

I mean, if I was going to change my strat, I probably would have done it after the first 10 people who told me to kill myself.

FurriesAreHot1 votes

People will question you and yet you continue and cplain. Also, why not even upgrade jg item once? The gold and coins boosts are worth it for the extra 500ish gold. Along with the smite upgrade.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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People will question you and yet you continue and cplain. Also, why not even upgrade jg item once? The gold and coins boosts are worth it for the extra 500ish gold. Along with the smite upgrade.

You don't get more gold or exp for upgrading. That was changed like 20 patches ago.

Magical Player1 votes

Nope your builds are solid I agree what your doing is valid but holy hell can it be annoying to play against Only thing your losing is empowered smite you deemed it to be not worth getting thats your opinion alls good carry on

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