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Stretching Facts to justify reports, force it to fit!.

HavokDash··2 votes·2,296 views

Anyone else seeing just how trigger-happy people are to make ANY situation THEY dont approve of some sort of reportable offense. I mean there is blatant reportable behavior, but people are going more and more into the "6 degrees of reporting" territory. If a player Is CC'ed in a 4v1 ambush, flailing but failing to get away.. That is now called "Inting" (Intentionally feeding) "OMG report X for inting" Just going 0/1 is now considered "Feeding" In my last game, got no help so started hanging back and playing safe...which is now being "REPORTED for AFK/AFK FARMING" I even had a person tell me they were reporting me for "Inting" and their logic was truly stretching it. It goes as such. "You were standing still" (I was responding to something the enemy said in chat, No one was around, I was not in combat, Just responding to chat) "You were standing still which means you werent playing. You werent playing so you were potentially offering up a kill to the enemy team" "So you are being reported for inting"

It seems like with each passing season, players are looking for more and more dilluted reasons to report someone. Before you know it people will be reporting players for "inting" based on their "potential for deaths". Not the deaths they have gotten, but the potential deaths they COULD incur

More and more people are falling into the trap of having LCS level games, Micromanaging EVERYTHING about their teams (What they build, what summoners they take, How they go about thier role, etc), Instantly beating teammates into the ground for -every- little mistake. Flame thier team for missing last hits. Over and over this community has thier head shoved so far up thier own ass, and stuck with an entitled sense of "my shit dont stink". Thats why over and over I keep seeing the sentiment of "Im too good for this team" People dont want to play WITH thier team, just want thier teammates as witnesses. If thier team doesnt play how -they- want, they will find more and more of a stretch to Punish thier team, further watering down what is and isnt a reportable offense.

I mean dont spend more than 5s in the shop.. or you will be "reported for afk" and dont you dare get CC'ed by an enemy team working together or you will be "reported for intentional feeding/inting" and dont you DARE even think about...well.....Thinking for yourself, having your own builds and strategies, or playing in a way that works for YOU and helps your team win, or you will be "Reported for trolling/greifing"

Lets get rid of this "6 Degrees of Reporting" attitude

13 Comments

Glîtchy2 votes

The internet where anyone could be what they want but choose to be bitchy idiots and call inting for 0/1

HavokDash1 votes

yeah I have lost alot of games because if I gain more than 1cs as a support, My adc throws a tantrum and would rather kick and scream about how I am "trolling" By having 3cs. Rather than just adapting and letting me do my job to help get them fed, they want to throw a fit like a child because they dont get "All the kills" or "All the minions"

"OMG Report my support for stealing MY cs" Riot has even said, adc has NO DIRECT CLAIM on minions. Minions Belong to the team, so to adcs, they are not YOUR minions!

J6vV2un2c81 votes

Yeah, this is quite obnoxious. People who can't fathom the idea that players may just have bad games sometimes. Not everything is malicious, it doesn't mean they are shit players, sometimes you just lose hard or have an off game and can't land a skillshot. Shit happens.

HavokDash2 votes

Yeah when I play a game, I play to win. I am not signing on for the sole purpose of ruining your game. Just because I whiff an ult and end up dying as a process DOES NOT MEAN i went in with the pure intention of dying just to ruin your oh so perfect "promos". Yeah I try to win my matches. But beating me over the head every 5 seconds with "Dont feed...hey man...dont feed..OMG DONT FEED!. just a reminder not to feed. Dont feed kay?" Over and over and over...know what that does? Stresses me out and makes me MORE LIKELY TO FUCK UP!

everyone thinks they are LCS Pros, but the moment someone ruins thier dream of an "Im so OP" perfect game, they turn around and tear their teammates head off, looking for ANYTHING they can stretch to report the player on as "punishment for sukking at the game"

Kei1431 votes

Ultimately, this boils down to having better education on the system.

If people know that asking for extra reports doesn't get people punished any faster, then they wouldn't call for reports.

I think there was a period when they put that as a loading screen tip, but that tip didn't last on the loading screen. So they probably found that as an ineffective method of education.

HavokDash1 votes

Actually I think its kind of the opposite. Riot has said that "Lobbying for reports" aka "Report X for...." Falls under harrassment and IS a reportable offense. if someone is doing something reportable, you are supposed to do it SILENTLY, Not dogpile both teams onto 1 person.

Constantly spamming "REPORT fOR INTING" because the support got ambushed and CC'ed before being passed around like the town bicycle (everyone gets a ride!) dos NOT mean the support is Inting in any way. Its just the person wanting to punish the support for not being "Pro enuf" to escape a 4v1 (because if your adc even labels you a troll, they will stand NEXT to you as you die before calling for reports on you "inting"

Kei1432 votes

We're saying the same thing.

I'm saying that people currently lobby for reports cos they don't know how the system works. That is due to the lack of education for the behavioral system within the community.

HavokDash1 votes

and yet anytime someone tries to educate, it disrupts the echo chamber so they are shouted down as a troll, a greifer, a noob, etc. Or they wil look up your history and use a bad game out of context (kinda like riot does) to say "this is you having a bad game? No this is you inting, so stfu"

People cant have a discussion anymore and put "ur random stats from one match 3 months ago where it was a 5v3 and you went 2/15 so you dont get to say anything"

Every time I try and bring something like this up, the common attack is just that. I had a bad game 3 months ago so my point is invalid and I dont get to speak because I went 0/5 instead of 5/0. So I mean, How can you teach a community that will instantly use a random stat like my kda from 1 subpar game...5-6 months ago to invalidate a bigger discussion like HOW REPORTS WORK.

Kei1431 votes

hmmm ? Not sure where you are getting that response from, but you certainly won't get it from here.

Better education doesn't happen here. Boards only cover 2% of the community, so there's a limit to how much education we can provide here.

Our reach is currently pretty small. Not sure what we can do to extend it. I try to teach people in-game and post game, typically I'm returned with "lol, no the system doesn't work that way, it's based on votes". I would ask them to google "Tantram premade reports" as evidence and typically they are gone from the lobby.

If we need education to the community, it has to be a wider scale with Riot's intervention. Maybe we can lobby it over here and get them to put a different set of resources into behavioral education. Even if we did that, it won't happen immediately, as they need to find the proper execution.

HavokDash1 votes

I tend to look at things from a much larger scale than most. I consider myself to be quite observant. So the things I pick up on are larger scale patterns over multiple games. But what I mean is, if I am trying to bring up a discussion aboout "yeah people are looking for ANY reason to report someone, no matter How far they have to stretch and dilute it (the whole "6-degrees of reporting" thing) generally the response I get is "you had a bad game here. You went 0/6....0/10...whatever. So you cant say anything because you are just MAD CUZ BAD" so they try and use an ad hom attack on me, using my stats from ONE game to invalidate an entire point.

And more and more games I see matches where, as in a recent match. Had a GOOD game (what a shock), team played well and outplayed the other team. And as If on que once we reached the enemy base, someone on the other team pulls a "Report my whole team for trolling" So I told them "I am not reporting them for being outplayed, being outplayed isnt trolling" and I get "Yeah they are, they fed you"

as I stated, Whenever a team is on the losing end, they now seem to need some sort of sacrificial lamb, a scapegoat. Someone ELSE to fall on the sword and be "Reported for trolling" so the team can continue to pat themselves on the back and tell themselves "its ok, Im still pro" And they stretch and stretch whatever they can fit to try and justify a report. If I know the other team is going to win, I am at least gracefull enough to tell them "Congrats on your win" It is an acknowledgement of their skill and teamwork. its about being respectful even in defeat. And when I win, I dont pull that "GG EZ" ego bullshit. Thats just disgusting.

Kei1431 votes

oh ya. If you are doing bad ingame, it certainly will change your credibility.

Still, ingame is a bad platform to educate others in behavior. People are in the heat of the moment, they are emotional from their win/loss. It's also just coming from another fellow player which there is no credibility.

I'm thinking if they link some of their Riot FAQs in the client is a good start. But ultimately a bigger education system, like a whole profile page of your behavior and explanations when you hover over stuff would be much better.

Fingers crossed that the thing(s) Tantram is working on right now is something like that.

AJStarhiker1 votes

I think it still pops up occassionally, but they've added so many lore 'tips' to the mix, actual advice is rare.

HavokDash1 votes

I have seen alot of lore tips, but nothing that actually helps. Y'know maybe they should actually have a bit of a drive for new "tips" Mine for example would be "The only way to win is destroying the nexus, dont get lost in kills." This because alot of players will get so hung up on how many kills they have, they stop pushing entirely and just resort to chasing kills. THey start ignoring towers, and just waiting for a kill to show up.

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