Daily Reminder: Insulting Allies Doesn't Make them Play Better

Woodakoodashooda·Aug 28, 2016·80 votes·2,829 views

It just makes them report and block you.

Is making one person feel terrible worth the risk? Do you honestly want to end up like the people who rant about how their ban isn't justified?

69 Comments

Unstoppable MonkAug 28, 201614 votes

I heard that insulting the jungler and telling him they're reported makes them gank better. /s

ItankyouAug 28, 20165 votes

It's true, you heard right. Riot's statistics that toxic players lose 17% more games is a lie because it doesn't take into account WHY they lose the games. They lose because they are being toxic to a complete retard.

ÇhåryzårdAug 28, 20169 votes

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It's true, you heard right. Riot's statistics that toxic players lose 17% more games is a lie because it doesn't take into account WHY they lose the games. They lose because they are being toxic to a complete retard.

The why doesn't change the fact that they lose those extra games

DarkSunSovereignAug 28, 20162 votes

It's not that they lose because they're toxic, they're toxic because they lose. Sure, morale probably plays a part in it, but 17%? Doubt it.

DrCyanideAug 28, 20161 votes

The number of times I've seen people get down and out, blaming and raging at everyone under the sun, saying it's hopeless before the 20 minute mark, only for us to win... I am not so sure. I think some players just tilt too easily, and if paired with other easily tilt players it can cost them.

AdriqnoheeAug 28, 20161 votes

I've met plenty of people that were toxic while winning the game, and I don't mean a close game where we had a few towers over them, they had no ini when we had all of our towers, and the guys still started flamming our jungle and asking for a surrender just because the guy overextended once, and keep in mind that this toxic player was being carried.

OdinakosAug 28, 20161 votes

Still remember a time when we were winning all lanes and our 5+ kills top ragequited because jungler "stole" one kill(hint it was a gang). I really didnt know how to react, reactions ranged from tilt to lauphter.

buniesAug 28, 20162 votes

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It's true, you heard right. Riot's statistics that toxic players lose 17% more games is a lie because it doesn't take into account WHY they lose the games. They lose because they are being toxic to a complete retard.

yea its kind of like that statistic that states that ice cream increases your chances of being bitten by a shark, oh and wearing a metal helmet increases your chances of being a casualty in war ( both real stats btw)

ItankyouAug 28, 20161 votes

Exactly right that's what I'm talkin about. It's not like an actual statiscal method was actually applied to any of the statistics riot posts in tips in the loading screen. It's sad that people blindly believe them and don't think for themselves. Kudos for u bro.

SmileInABoxAug 28, 20166 votes

Get downvoted into oblivion please.

ItankyouAug 28, 20161 votes

I'm glad you are a statistic major.

SmileInABoxAug 28, 20166 votes

You are literally advocating being an asshole.

ItankyouAug 28, 20161 votes

No actually I'm not, I think telling people to 'kys die of cancer' stuff is horrible, but I think a nice little trash talk is ok. I don't get why people can't just play the game its like anything anyone says anymore and its straight down mid. It's ridiculous.

Seriously the number of straight up trolls being punished is way too low. The people that I get placed in game literally try to avoid riots banning systems on purpose, pretend to be sportsmanlike, feed intentionally (running it mid), afk on purpose etc.

People aren't playing the game in lower divisions for the game itself, they are playing it to get a reaction out of other people and its quite sad. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm advocating for being an asshole because I'm pretty salty at the state of the game. I love playing this game and I know excessive trash talking gets you banned and makes you look like an asshole but playful trash talk shouldn't result in kids throwing a tantrum. Just my opinion.

SmileInABoxAug 28, 20163 votes

I definitely agree on the troll part, not a single troll Ive reported has gotten punished. I also agree that people take jokey sarcasm stuff WAY too seriously. But, the "kys", trashtalking your team in all chat, and spammin insults isn't okay.

ItankyouAug 28, 20162 votes

So then we are on the same page, Sorry that I sound so salty its just frustrating to have every game ruined this way. It might be my selection bias speaking to me but it usually happens only when I'm in my series. Feelsbadman

ModPrandineAug 29, 20161 votes

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No actually I'm not, I think telling people to 'kys die of cancer' stuff is horrible, but I think a nice little trash talk is ok. I don't get why people can't just play the game its like anything anyone says anymore and its straight down mid. It's ridiculous.

Seriously the number of straight up trolls being punished is way too low. The people that I get placed in game literally try to avoid riots banning systems on purpose, pretend to be sportsmanlike, feed intentionally (running it mid), afk on purpose etc.

People aren't playing the game in lower divisions for the game itself, they are playing it to get a reaction out of other people and its quite sad. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm advocating for being an asshole because I'm pretty salty at the state of the game. I love playing this game and I know excessive trash talking gets you banned and makes you look like an asshole but playful trash talk shouldn't result in kids throwing a tantrum. Just my opinion.

The thing is though is that there's a difference between trash talking/friendly banter and just flat out raging and flaming. Some people just have trouble finding the difference between the two. Regardless though if someone has asked you to stop then you should respect their wishes and stop. Ulanopo's Knowledge Base touched on this topic as well:

Trash talk is part of all competitive sports. It happens all the time in the pros.

Yes and no. Yes, trash talk occurs, but it has definite limits. Most of the things that are punished in game (racial, ethnic and homophobic slurs, sexism, etc.) would also earn you a hefty fine in professional sports.

A Tumblr List of NBA Fines (http://nbafines.tumblr.com/) (My personal favorite on that site is this indefinite suspension (http://nbafines.tumblr.com/post/1010368028/3-12-96-the-nba-suspended-mahmoud-abdul-rauf-den), simply for refusing to stand during the National Anthem.)

A List of NFL Fines for Taunting (http://www.spotrac.com/fines-tracker/nfl/all-years/fines/taunting/)

NBC Article on Fines Agreed to by the NFLPA (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/01/bizarrely-specific-nfl-fines-come-from-agreed-league-union-schedule/) "Excessive profanity or other unsportsmanlike conduct triggers a minimum fine of $10,500."

NHL Office of Player Safety (http://www.nhl.com/ice/eventhome.htm?location=/playersafety) Brendan Shanahan is the ****ing Bad Santa of the NHL. Did you know that his Office of Player Safety watches every minute of every game, from multiple angles? He sees and hears EVERYTHING, including swearing.

... and the grand finale! Marge Schott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marge_Schott), who was forced out of ownership of the Cincinnati Reds for racist comments and pro-Nazi sentiments.

ItankyouAug 29, 20161 votes

tldr

ModPrandineAug 29, 2016

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tldr

No, I'm not gonna put in a tldr (it's not even that long anyways). If you won't read it then that's your problem, not mine.

ItankyouAug 29, 20161 votes

tbh, your analogy is bad because this game isn't a sport. Also, there is a difference between 'real league of legends' the one that you and me play and the LCS or pro league of legends. These are two completely different games. It's like little league vs playing for the denver broncos. There is clearly a difference buddy, and ya a little shit talking is ok but i guess words hurt 2k16.

StarTorchedAug 30, 20162 votes

It's still competitive play. It's a matter of sportsmanship, which means the analogy works just fine.

Do you think you wouldn't be punished by someone for cursing a kid in little league? Or if you are playing a sport with a bunch of friends on a random game and you start suddenly with downright insults they won't be unhappy or give you shit?

gottrjrAug 28, 20163 votes

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It's true, you heard right. Riot's statistics that toxic players lose 17% more games is a lie because it doesn't take into account WHY they lose the games. They lose because they are being toxic to a complete retard.

This is so true. I don't think it is 100% the retards fault but instead RIOT's fault for having spaghetti match making and dynamic q. Forcing people to pick two roles is kinda fucked up if they are only good at one. I just had a Vlad feed 2/10 top lane in ranked. Obviously top wasnt his first choice.

My dick can do better matchmaking than the employees at RIOT games.

ItankyouAug 28, 20161 votes

This made my day, thanks man. Hang in there hopefully season 7 treats us better (sighs).

RandomoniumAug 28, 20161 votes

No, the statistics are not a lie. If a normal player wins 50 out of a 100 games then a toxic player losing 17% more games means they only win 42 out of 100 games (not a 33% win rate like most people believe.) They're not saying that they win 17% less games only when they are toxic, they are saying that players who are identified as toxic (i.e. the one's who get punished) on average only win 42 out of 100 games. This doesn't just have to do with the fact that they are toxic to their allies, this also has to do with the fact that toxic players are more likely to go on tilt which causes them to not only lose the game they were toxic in but also to carry that anger and frustration into future games where they make more mistakes and lose more games. So not only are you less likely to win the current game you are in if you are toxic but you are also more likely to lose future games because if you get so angry that you need to insult people OVER A VIDEO GAME then chances are that anger is going to bleed over into the next game you play and give you a higher chance to lose that game as well.

ItankyouAug 28, 20161 votes

Sorry but the point of my post was to show that there is no causal link between toxicity and losing games.

Here is where the point of my post lies.

Here is your head.

Also I never said I was toxic. But they must be winning games if these toxic players can climb with me.

RandomoniumAug 28, 20162 votes

Then you failed at your point. You didn't prove anything.

Just because you encounter toxic people while climbing is not a good counterpoint. Riot has said many times that nearly everyone has toxic games on occasion. Those players aren't flagged as toxic because everyone has bad days. When Riot talks about toxic people they are talking about the people who are severe enough to get punished for it. I guarantee if you look at those players you'll see nearly all of them have negative win rates.

It is possible to be toxic and still be high elo. There's plenty of streamers who can prove that. But the truth of that matter is nearly everyone who is toxic could be a much higher rank if they weren't toxic. By being toxic you shoot yourself in the foot because you put yourself on tilt and waste valuable time arguing with your team rather than getting gold/objectives.

DessemAug 28, 20162 votes

Can confirm, as a jungler whenever someone tells me to kill myself and uninstall, it makes me want to gank their lane hard because I want them to succeed. kappa

hi im mintyAug 28, 20164 votes

Usually when someone starts being toxic I lose the motivation to win the game... even in ranked. Nobody wants the a-hole on the team to win.

ShacownedAug 29, 20162 votes

Yeah if people get really bad on my team i just flat lose all drive, it feels to me that they wanted to lose anyway, only explanation as to why they are that damn rude.

Smok3McCl0udAug 28, 20162 votes

To be honest I feel insulted with the allies i'm given most of the time.

LuggAug 28, 20162 votes

I have seen so many good players stuck in Bronze over the years simply due to the fact that they are toxic as hell to their teammates. I have to admit that I (and my other teammates) have intentionally thrown games solely due to the fact that we didn't want that asshat to win.

ItankyouAug 28, 20161 votes

If they are bronze then they are not good players. Looking at the statistics and the % of the player base that actually exists in the bronze division this season, there is a lower percentage of the entire player base in bronze this season than ANY other season. If you are bronze V this season, you were either trying to get there, or are literally the bottom feeders of this game. Sorry, those are facts.

I (and my other teammates) have intentionally thrown games solely due to the fact that we didn't want that asshat to win.

Congratulations, you just lost me my series even though I was on the team and typed nothing. Honestly this is why I have to go 20-0 because people like you throw games intentionally in spite of 1 OTHER PLAYER. Tantrums. So glad my mechanics are above bronze, no 1 wants to play that game. It's ranked for a reason, I'm already upset that there is no ranked integrity due to dynamic que and now I get this literally every fucking game.

LuggAug 28, 20163 votes

I have seen Bronze players who have mechanics better than Diamond players. They are stuck in Bronze because they flame anyone who doesn't go 10/0 in their lane. This just pisses people off and they no longer care about winning the game. This is pure fact.

I try to win every game since I'm a very competitive person, but there are times when I do stop caring when I have a teammate or two who just are complete A-holes to the others.

ChaosThiefAug 28, 20162 votes

Not so daily reminder that this isn't a daily reminder.

buniesAug 28, 20161 votes

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It just makes them report and block you.

Is making one person feel terrible worth the risk? Do you honestly want to end up like the people who rant about how their ban isn't justified?

you know that a 1/7 singed propably cant play anyworse, and even if he can, who cares ?

DrCyanideAug 28, 20162 votes

A 1/7 Singed is still a Singed, and can still draw the enemy away chasing them. That's fewer enemies trying to take down your carries because they want another kill.

There's no chance of things improving by lashing out in game at another player, while there is a chance of it improving with neutral/positive behavior. If you're competitive, then there's no reason to ever lash out at allies, no matter how bad they're doing.

OdinakosAug 28, 20165 votes

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A 1/7 Singed is still a Singed, and can still draw the enemy away chasing them. That's fewer enemies trying to take down your carries because they want another kill.

A good 1/7 Singed will draw top, jungler and hopefully mid while farming his wave, creating a zero or positive total sum on gold and a positive on team map presence. Singed is known to have negative score while even carrying games.

SanKakUAug 28, 20161 votes

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WoodakoodashoodaAug 28, 20164 votes

This isn't about people playing nice. It's about people not insulting one another over a game.

People can choose not to use comments I dare not even post even as an example because of how heinously offensive they are.

Or they can choose to be blocked, reported, and subsequently banned.

StarTorchedAug 28, 20161 votes

"Insulting people makes them play better." Hah. Hahahahahahahaha.

There's a big difference between saying "Maybe you should do this because what you are doing now isn't working." And "You fucking suck why can't you do better you piece of shit."

And the former usually earns you a happy face and more willingness on their part rather than a flame war, which the second would bring on. Even if the person you are talking to ends up being a dick, at least you are not the one at fault. Is it really that hard not to type shit you probably won't stay to strangers if you really actually saw them in real life?

The EcdysiastAug 28, 20161 votes

No, the former gets the same reaction because it's the idiots who don't know how to play or build that get mad over advice they "didn't ask for" but clearly need.

StarTorchedAug 28, 20161 votes

You'll be surprised how many people are willing to accept advice. Besides, if you ask nicely and they are rude, how would yelling be any better?

The EcdysiastAug 29, 20161 votes

I thought people were rational. Then I was surprised by the number of people willing to pretend advice is against the rules.

Yelling's not any better. But there should be a special mode for people who need advice but don't want it.

StarTorchedAug 29, 20162 votes

So if you are gonna communicate, why not just be calm about it? At least that gives you more likelihood of not getting rude comments back. At least you tried. And that is my point. I've had lots of times when people got defensive and mad, but I also had times when people complied, or agreed. I had a few even thank you for it.

Doesn't hurt you either way to try, so why not? If they don't take it then fine, if they flame you, then block it. Everything is okay with the world.

The EcdysiastAug 29, 20161 votes

Again. I didn't say I wasn't calm about it.

StarTorchedAug 29, 20161 votes

Then why did we argue like this friend ;-;. I swear I'm a nice person ;w;. Let us shake hands and part as friends.

ShacownedAug 29, 20161 votes

Yeah, i doubt they'd say a fifth of the BS they say if they had to face the person they are insulting.

DukuesAug 29, 20161 votes

I.... I...UM sort of lost it this weekend :((. I kind of got titled from playing with my friends andddddddd sort of went off on a few of my allies. Granted..... they were talking and being toxic first. But instead of fighting toxicity with silence I tried to fight it with more toxicity. Needless to say it did not help out the team.

2 ranked games ago I went offffffffffffff on my team's support. Like just came at the dude's life. And I would like to apologize for that.

But yea.... that's why you don't keep pinging me as the jungle for ganks every 5 second along with pointing out my very obvious terrible decision that cost us an inhibitor. I know I fucked up.... you telling me I did only brought my inner embarrassment to full tilt rage within seconds.

I got +1 honor opponent & +1 teamwork after the game though for explaining my side of the story so whatever. I am a HO!

SîcarîusAug 29, 20161 votes

Tbh, my issue with Riot's take on the topic is that they don't have a set-in-stone definition of what is an insult and what is criticism. To me, because I grew up in a blue collar family who had to work for everything they own, an insult is only something that involves some form of profanity(Such as you cursing in some way, or calling me a name - idiot, dumb ass, etc.) If you just say, 'Don't do that again or we will lose the game' That's not an insult, but that's still banworthy according to Riot(No I'm not joking). Or if you place blame for the loss on someone, that also qualifies as banworthy. How? I think stating facts, or trying to engage in debate WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT OF BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE is perfectly fine. I think the fact Riot punishes so harshly over baby things is making our community, as well as our society(yes lots of you are shaped by your environment, and if your environment consists heavily of this game, then you WILL be shaped by it in some way or another) very weak and pathetic. If we cannot engage in debate, then what's the point of even letting us talk? I shouldn't have to say, "Hey bud, don't build like that. It's completely wrong!' I should be able to just say something along the lines of 'Bro, wtf are you building? That's wrong.' I shouldn't have to kiss your ass to state my opinion, nor should I have to address you in a polite manner. If I am playing a game, why should I be on my best behavior? It's a game at the end of the day, and I want to do as I please. This will be an unpopular opinion due to the fact our community is too far gone to salvage, but I truly hope games evolve from this 'anti-anything that's not hugs and kisses' mentality.

WoodakoodashoodaAug 30, 20162 votes

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If I am playing a game, why should I be on my best behavior? It's a game at the end of the day, and I want to do as I please.

First, you should exhibit positive behavior because you aren't the only one playing the game. It is a game. It should be enjoyed. Not ruined by disgruntled people who feel the need to spout profanity whenever someone doesn't do things their way.

Second, if you wish to do as you please in game then criticizing others for doing the same is hypocritical.