Severe overmoderation in these forums;

Dominick Destine·Feb 18, 2016·7 votes·1,619 views

I've noticed that the moderation in these forums has become straight up Orwellian.

It's one thing to actively suppress and censor people that are going wildly overboard, but even simple terms that would otherwise be common parlance cannot be uttered lest the moderation come down like a ton of bricks on the user. After all; Someone might get offended.

Does it really need to be to such extremes? can't it be somewhere in the middle rather than feminist level censorship? "Your rights end where my feelings begin" ? is that it, Riot?

Shouldn't it be the way it is in game (I.e. reasonable and fair) rather than ultra draconian style censorship and thought policing?

Edit: I came from a forum where we were allowed to discuss literally anything.

It was called "League of Legends; Off topic section". It was fantastic... the "Boards" are incredibly draconian compared to the old forums.

Ex: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2862586 and http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2446265&page=1

For what reason was the old style of forum moderation(Self moderation) utterly decimated in favor of hyper feminist ultra over moderation?

47 Comments

ModMod CuratorFeb 18, 20169 votes

Your post was removed for using the word gay as a pejorative, which is considered homophobic phrasing and isn't acceptable on the Boards. You're welcome to come here and have conversations with people and express your disapproval about something, but we do ask that you do so in a way that doesn't insult others. This is a general rule of the Boards and is enforced by all moderators.

Dominick DestineFeb 18, 20163 votes

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Your post was removed for using the word gay as a pejorative

There was nothing wrong with my post, the implementation of the rules was excessively draconian.... once again, back in the League of Legends forums (Off topic section specifically) such a thing would never have occurred in a million years.

Furthermore, the context by which I made that statement was adequate. I didn't call anyone a bundle of sticks, nor did I go on a negative tirade of any type... I was expressing disappointment that I was unable to acquire information with regards to a specific event. Context was completely ignored in favor of Orwellian suppression.

What about context?

rule of the Boards and is enforced by all moderators.

That's exactly my point, the rules are incredibly draconian. It was not always this way, it used to be reasonable.

Dominick DestineFeb 18, 20165 votes

And by the way;

is considered homophobic phrasing

"Homophobic phrasing"? what in the fiddle sticks does that even mean? a phobia is a fear... and homo(in this case) referring to homosexuals. I phrased it in a way to indicate 'fear' of a demographic ? what? that doesn't even make sense.

The context was that I was disappointed in not being able to access certain information. It is common parlance but I now realize that the moderators are very draconian. I recognize my error and will not slip up again.

ZT XperimentorFeb 19, 20161 votes

Moderators actually exist? Excuse the joke, been a couple years since I've seen any make themselves known beyond deleting posts.

Anyway, how about other threads getting outright deleted despite lacking any derogatory statements? I've seen several asking for honest discussions about balancing and graphics, but get removed shortly after someone else comments in a fashion that's clearly harassment. Shouldn't the commenter be punished instead of the person starting the discussion?

ModMod CuratorFeb 19, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=ZT Xperimentor,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YbHfaLZ7,comment-id=00010003,timestamp=2016-02-19T03:48:00.422+0000)

Moderators actually exist? Excuse the joke, been a couple years since I've seen any make themselves known beyond deleting posts.

Anyway, how about other threads getting outright deleted despite lacking any derogatory statements? I've seen several asking for honest discussions about balancing and graphics, but get removed shortly after someone else comments in a fashion that's clearly harassment. Shouldn't the commenter be punished instead of the person starting the discussion?

Hi! I just checked your action history on this account and we have removed zero posts. Ever. If this occurred on a different account, please let me know what it is and I'll look into it for you.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

ZT XperimentorFeb 19, 20161 votes

Hmm? Oh no that's not what I was asking, sorry about the confusion. I was referring to other people's posts in general, since I didn't remember any specifically from them being last week or older. Thanks for checking though, I appreciate it :)

ModMod CuratorFeb 19, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=ZT Xperimentor,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YbHfaLZ7,comment-id=0001000300000000,timestamp=2016-02-19T03:59:02.031+0000)

Hmm? Oh no that's not what I was asking, sorry about the confusion. I was referring to other people's posts in general, since I didn't remember any specifically from them being last week or older. Thanks for checking though, I appreciate it :)

Post will be removed if they're in the incorrect section, regardless of whether it's a good discussion or not, and the player that posted it will be sent a message directing them to the correct section for that discussion. Outside of that type or removal, it's impossible to say why a particular post was removed without having an account to look into.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

ZT XperimentorFeb 19, 20161 votes

Ah ok, that makes more sense; and something I never gave much thought about checking. Also a good thing I put my post in the right spot to begin with; that'd be hours of copy/paste. XD

EvilDustManFeb 19, 20165 votes

People would like you to not use 'that's gay' as a a common phrase. There are plenty of other phrases to use, use them.

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20162 votes

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People would like you to ....

To do what? "offend them"? "Hurt Feelings"? "your rights end where my feelings begin"?

If I were calling people a bundle of sticks flagrantly in violation of the summoner code, I would agree with censorship and hardcore draconian rule... but that is not what happened. If "I'm offended" is a valid argument then Riot has already fallen prey to the current leftist/feminist PC culture where "You must never say anything that could potentially offend (Insert groups here)".

All of that being said; I will submit to Riot 100%. I do not make the rules here.... I am only one of many people under their power and will capitulate in an absolute manner.

EvilDustManFeb 19, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YbHfaLZ7,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-02-19T00:49:37.253+0000)

To do what? "offend them"? "Hurt Feelings"? "your rights end where my feelings begin"?

If I were calling people a bundle of sticks flagrantly in violation of the summoner code, I would agree with censorship and hardcore draconian rule... but that is not what happened. If "I'm offended" is a valid argument then Riot has already fallen prey to the current leftist/feminist PC culture where "You must never say anything that could potentially offend (Insert groups here)".

All of that being said; I will submit to Riot 100%. I do not make the rules here.... I am only one of many people under their power and will capitulate in an absolute manner.

You should be intelligent enough to come up with a different phrase. Don't try to play off word origins.

Let's be honest. It takes two seconds to come up with something else to say instead of saying something that might be hurtful to someone who IS homosexual. Because it is still hard being homosexual. Maybe there is a bit too much PC in the culture right now, but there's also been way too little mindfulness of the groups who have it hard.

Is it really REALLY so hard just to say something else?

JubbinautFeb 19, 20165 votes

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You should be intelligent enough to come up with a different phrase. Don't try to play off word origins.

A pretty horrific one, too. The implication of that particular term, given its etymology, is that homosexuals were considered suitable for burning.

I don't think it's unreasonable for anyone with a modicum of empathy to be bothered by such a statement.

TwigglesFeb 19, 20163 votes

I've never thought if it that way...

Shit got dark in here. >_>;

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20161 votes

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You should be intelligent enough

That's a funny way of attempting to insult my intelligence.

Would that the rules be fair, you'd get your comment deleted and get a warning on your account for such a thing... but unfortunately, ultra hyper PC feminist/leftist culture is not concerned with actual insults but rather virtue signaling ... and thus, actual infringements of the summoner code are not punished, only law-abiding citizens (Or the virtual equivalent) are punished.

Maybe there is a bit too much PC in the culture right now

You think? 1984 is becoming closer to being reality. Wrongthink, thought policing, thought crime, newspeak, revisionist history and (of course) political correctness are all in full force. George Orwell was a master of his field and predicted all of this.

However, once again all of that being said; I will capitulate 100% to Riot's draconian rule. I submit in an absolute manner and will obey any rule they set forth under any circumstances, I say this without irony or facetiousness, I will 100% obey.

I will never use adequate non PC culture / Wrongthink phrasing again unless Riot specifically states it is acceptable to use non PC expressions. I was wrong and will correct the mistake.

EvilDustManFeb 19, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YbHfaLZ7,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2016-02-19T01:09:21.778+0000)

You think? 1984 is becoming closer to being reality. Wrongthink, thought policing, thought crime, newspeak, revisionist history and (of course) political correctness are all in full force. George Orwell was a master of his field and predicted all of this.

Not...not really? Did you read 1984?

Are you the type of person who compares Riot to Nazi Germany?

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20162 votes

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Did you read 1984?

Yes, I read 1984... did you?

Are you the type of person who compares Riot to Nazi Germany?

I don't remember making such a comparison but I will thank you not to bring up offensive comparisons that might offend someone.

Facetiousness aside; I am now convinced you did not even read 1984 because the concept of German in WW2 and Orwell's dystopia are extremely far apart. Did you want to violate Godwin's Law that badly?

EvilDustManFeb 19, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YbHfaLZ7,comment-id=000300000000000100000000,timestamp=2016-02-19T01:30:34.324+0000)

Yes, I read 1984... did you?

I don't remember making such a comparison but I will thank you not to bring up offensive comparisons that might offend someone that can be offended. Offensive.

It basically came down to this. A gay person said 'hey, please don't use 'that's gay' a whole lot, it makes me uncomfortable.' So I had a choice. I could shove it in his face and say 'this is my RIGHT', or I could swallow my pride and be mindful.

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20162 votes

Paraphrasing your distilled thesis ;

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A... person said 'hey, your rights end where my feelings begin'

Commanding censorship is one of the core premise(s?) of Orwell's dystopia.... and of course; What was right "to say" yesterday might not be right "to say" tomorrow.

I must repeat; I will 100% capitalute to Riot's rules. Riot makes the rules, I do not. I will follow Riot's rules.

EvilDustManFeb 19, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YbHfaLZ7,comment-id=00030000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-19T01:38:54.363+0000)

Paraphrasing your distilled thesis ;

Commanding censorship is one of the core premise(s?) of Orwell's dystopia.... and of course; What was right "to say" yesterday might not be right "to say" tomorrow.

I must repeat; I will 100% capitalute to Riot's rules. Riot makes the rules, I do not. I will follow Riot's rules.

Except that's not what I said. I could have continued to exercise my rights. I had that choice. But I knew that by exercising that right, I was hurting someone. I took the scales in balance. What did I gain by using the phrase. A little bit of pride. I decided that a little bit of my pride was worth giving up to not instill that little bit of pain.

Granted, you get punished for picking that choice here, but you also would be tossed out of a nice restaurant for spitting on the floor. Would you like to go and bring down their oppressive regime?

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20161 votes

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Except that's not what I said.

Do you know what "paraphrasing" means?

It's really not that complicated.... if you are having trouble with that, I am going to go out on a limb and say, Orwell's dystopia might be a bit too much.

LordGeovanniFeb 19, 20161 votes

much like the right to bare arms when some one could shoot some one and god forbid someone who deserves it

EvilDustManFeb 19, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YbHfaLZ7,comment-id=00030000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-19T01:38:54.363+0000)

Paraphrasing your distilled thesis ;

Commanding censorship is one of the core premise(s?) of Orwell's dystopia.... and of course; What was right "to say" yesterday might not be right "to say" tomorrow.

I must repeat; I will 100% capitalute to Riot's rules. Riot makes the rules, I do not. I will follow Riot's rules.

Are we going to sit here? Are we going to allow this oppression against spitting continue? How dare they. If there is a foul taste in my mouth, what am I supposed to do? If there is mucus in my throat, am I to allow it to sit there? Sucking the moisture from my throat? Swallowing it will only deposit it there again.

I say 'NAY' my fellow boardians. I say 'NAY' to this tyranny. I am merely spitting on the floor! There is nothing wrong with that! What matter are your mere feelings to the personal needs of our bodies. No one eats off the floor. No one cooks off the floor. Just because it may OFFEND someone? Just because it is part of our social CONTRACT? A contract I did not sign upon birth!

Rise, my board brothers. Rise against this facism. Run to your window!

THROW IT OPEN!

SHOUT OUT TO THE HUNGRY OPPRESSIVE NIGHT!

"MY MOUTH IS AS DIRTY AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!"

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20162 votes

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Are we going to sit here? Are we going to allow this oppression against spitting continue?

Is spitting illegal in your country?

If not, then your argument is garbage.

EvilDustManFeb 19, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YbHfaLZ7,comment-id=0003000000000001000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-02-19T02:38:29.727+0000)

Is spitting illegal in your country?

If not, then your argument is garbage.

Saying 'that's gay' is not illegal either. But it is becoming something distasteful in society. Just as spitting on the floor inside a building is. They are both distasteful. They are both offensive. Yet you wouldn't spit on the floor inside a nice restaurant just because you can to exercise your right. You take a drink. Taking a drink is another option open to you. Just as saying another phrase to get the same point across is open to you.

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20162 votes

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Saying 'that's gay' is not illegal either.

What's your point? that doesn't contradict my argument... not even slightly.

Did you lose the plot perhaps?

EvilDustManFeb 19, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YbHfaLZ7,comment-id=000300000000000100000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-19T03:40:01.826+0000)

What's your point? that doesn't contradict my argument... not even slightly.

Did you lose the plot perhaps?

Spitting is a natural process. Why should we be offended by a glob of phlegm on the floor? But it does offend people. It bothers people. So we don't do it. And if we do, we are often asked to leave.

It is the same here. You are being told that 'that's gay' offends people. It bothers people. So we don't do it. When you did it, your post was erased.

You act like saying 'that's gay' is some big act of expression. Yet it's not. It's a slang term started by twelve to fourteen year olds two decades ago. This is not some grand form of expression that is being quashed. It is a slang that is sometimes demeaning and demoralizing to homosexuals.

You are attempting to stand up for something that is the equivalent of spitting on the floor. You are trying to take the moral high ground on a slang term preferred by children. You are using the vision of inspired hate, repression, and murder of innovation that is 1984, because you can't be bothered to swallow your pride and let go of childish ways for one second.

I am saying your argument is foolish. You are standing on a shit heap and beating your chest. And when all is said and done, you are still simply the preacher of turds.

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20161 votes

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Spitting is a natural process.

So are fornication and defecation. Your argument continues to be flimsy at best.

It is the same here. You are being told that 'that's gay' offends people.

Once again, the parallel you are trying to make is nonsensical. There are reasons why those things that have been mentioned are not permitted in public. Whereas the only reason ultra leftist/feminists like you want to thought police/censor is because "Hurt Feelings".

"Hurt Feelings" is not an argument.

You are attempting to stand up for something that is the equivalent of spitting on the floor.

Nope.

Bad parallel. That's on the level of me arguing that you getting stabbed in the face is the same as you reading someone's T-shirt that says "F(ornicate) X" where X is something you consider above criticism (Such as censorship).

Your argument was terrible and easily decimated.

JorenciceFeb 19, 20161 votes

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Are we going to sit here? Are we going to allow this oppression against spitting continue? How dare they. If there is a foul taste in my mouth, what am I supposed to do? If there is mucus in my throat, am I to allow it to sit there? Sucking the moisture from my throat? Swallowing it will only deposit it there again.

I say 'NAY' my fellow boardians. I say 'NAY' to this tyranny. I am merely spitting on the floor! There is nothing wrong with that! What matter are your mere feelings to the personal needs of our bodies. No one eats off the floor. No one cooks off the floor. Just because it may OFFEND someone? Just because it is part of our social CONTRACT? A contract I did not sign upon birth!

Rise, my board brothers. Rise against this facism. Run to your window!

THROW IT OPEN!

SHOUT OUT TO THE HUNGRY OPPRESSIVE NIGHT!

"MY MOUTH IS AS DIRTY AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!"

Actually that would be a health hazard.

Way different than offending someone

LordGeovanniFeb 19, 20161 votes

which is like some one telling the average male they should find a woman even though the average person is straight it would be considered stupid for a male to say how are you gonna automatically assume that he wants a woman even if he does. there is a small exception for people who are gay and when there is not its deemed that you are harassing them but only if they happen to be gay

LordGeovanniFeb 19, 20161 votes

There is nothing wrong with being gay but calling people gay will expecially offend people who are gay if it happens to be directed at them cause logical arguments

JorenciceFeb 19, 20161 votes

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People would like you to not use 'that's gay' as a a common phrase. There are plenty of other phrases to use, use them.

Really? I would like a phrase that's almost universally understood which has shit tons of different meaning.

If you can give me one I'll stop saying things are gay.

EvilDustManFeb 19, 20161 votes

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Really? I would like a phrase that's almost universally understood which has shit tons of different meaning.

If you can give me one I'll stop saying things are gay.

That sucks.

Wow that was a brain scorcher.

JorenciceFeb 19, 20161 votes

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That sucks.

Wow that was a brain scorcher.

Doesn't flow off the tounge as well.

Plus it might be demeaning to hookers ^-^

disregardableFeb 18, 20163 votes

It's really not. If anything, the mods don't enforce the rules particularly well.

"Harassment and insults will not be tolerated" is at the top of the rules page, but they might remove posts with them 1/10 times. Probably less. They will seriously let posts sit there that do nothing but insult the PERSON (note: not their elo or skill level or opinion, the person himself) it's directed towards.

Dominick DestineFeb 18, 20163 votes

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It's really not.

Actually it is one of the most strictly moderated forums that I have ever seen, and arguably on the internet barring straight-up propagandist websites.

"Harassment and insults will not be tolerated"

Harassment is subjective. I could say you are harassing me right now with your post.

"Insults" is somewhat subjective as well.

It comes down to specific criterion by each moderator.... and they choose to implement it in as draconian a manner as possible.

disregardableFeb 18, 20163 votes

I came to this forum from one where we weren't even allowed to swear or discuss adult topics (not just limited to sex, which was a filtered word, but also things like murder, drugs, death, etc). These boards are not fucking strict. For a site that's supposed to cater to 13 year olds, the rules are fairly lax, and the mods are meh at following them on top of that.

Dominick DestineFeb 18, 20162 votes

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I came to this forum from one where we weren't even allowed to swear or discuss adult topics

I came from a forum where we were allowed to discuss literally anything.

It was called "League of Legends; Off topic section". It was fantastic... the "Boards" are incredibly draconian compared to the old forums.

Ex: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2862586 and http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2446265&page=1

This is a really good point, I will add it to the original post.

DunkinNoobsFeb 19, 20161 votes

I once had my post removed and a 7 day ban issued for

Why don't you just all in her? She just used her W to hit you, so go in you pussy.

in response to a Kennen player complaining about Leblanc harassing him so much. So yeah, the moderation is pretty overboard.

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20161 votes

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I once had my post removed and a 7 day ban issued for

in response to a Kennen player complaining about Leblanc harassing him so much. So yeah, the moderation is pretty overboard.

That seems pretty severe.

Unfortunately, when the forums became "The Boards" moderation went into hyper overdrive, implementing draconian rule. I would think the rules on the 'boards' would be on par as the ones in-game... but no, that is not the case.

MeilinIIFeb 19, 20161 votes

Keep using 'feminist' and 'gay' as pejoratives and then wonder why no one takes you seriously.
[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20161 votes

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Keep using 'feminist' and 'gay'

The first one doesn't need help from me when it comes to being identified as what it is.

The second one, I have nothing against homosexuals... it is simply common parlance which I have now realized Riot is against. If Newspeak is necessary to participate in Riot's media, I will engage in Newspeak with no reservations whatsoever.

Riot makes the rules. I simply follow them 100% of the time.

As to your last portion; Would that the rules applied fairly to all, you'd get your comment removed and a warning on your account for launching into insults against another member of the forum.

MeilinIIFeb 19, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YbHfaLZ7,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-02-19T01:22:50.896+0000)

Riot makes the rules. I simply follow them 100% of the time.

This thread wouldn't exist if you followed them 100% of the time.

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20162 votes

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This thread wouldn't exist if you followed them 100% of the time.

Touché.

I did not know that Riot was implementing its rules in such a draconian manner... now that I know, I will submit to their will completely. So to rephrase; I follow the rules 100% of the time but at times, the rules change without warning.... as I stated in the original post; The old forums were not this way at all.

ModAttysu The PoroFeb 19, 20161 votes

Edit: I came from a forum where we were allowed to discuss literally anything.

It was called "League of Legends; Off topic section". It was fantastic... the "Boards" are incredibly draconian compared to the old forums.

Y'see. We have this thing called Miscellaneous.

Dominick DestineFeb 19, 20161 votes

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We have this thing called Miscellaneous.

The draconian rules are still in full force within that section.

I have no problem submitting to Riot. It's fine.

WeatheredFeb 19, 20161 votes

Because its a League of Legends forums. So you should be talking about League of Legends, no? Also, if your talking about language moderation, its not that hard. It only takes about a half a second extra to change a word to something else. No one is going to care if you say shit, but if you are using phrases like "thats gay" or "gfy", there really is no reason to say it.