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It's easy to get people banned if your feelings are hurt, and here's how

The Ecdysiast··5 votes·824 views

Edit: Hey, downvote if you want but I'm only pointing out how broken the system is. Think about how much money you've spent on the game the next time you feel it's okay to steal that from someone else just because your feelings are hurt.

It's quite easy to screenshot someone saying some kind of slur or being offensive, then blow its effect on your feelings way out of proportion in the report ticket. Now you can even send in a report to the Support team, for an even longer explanation of how that yo mama joke offended you because your mother is dead as far as they know.

And it works. People get banned for these slights to your feelings. You can effectively cheat them out of hundreds of dollars worth of content because you disagree with the idea of the mute button.

Note, this thread is to inform players with so little strength that the weightless text of anonymous players whom do not know them, will never know them, and twill never meet them hurt their feelings to the point that they feel stealing from them is justified that there is a way to fight back.

Upvote if you agree that it's perfectly fine for players to have this power. Downvote if you think Riot should change this system so that players can defend themselves from those who report them based on hurt feelings alone when the gameplay wasn't effected.

30 Comments

sheldonbunny4 votes

OP and anyone agreeing with them might want to try reading these as well:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/keGElOmW-psa-i-spent-alot-of-moneytime-in-the-game-but-was-still-banned-why

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/hg6mTfm0-the-league-of-legends-code-of-conduct-report-system-is-a-fragile-ego-coddling-failure?comment=0003

Primaquarius2 votes

I spent 1k on this game, where's my immunity from the Terms Of Service binding contract that everyone has to agree to before playing? I should be that one alpha who doesn't need to follow this garbage and do as he pleases because I helped the hard-working peasants behind this garbage game make a living.

THEY SHOULD ALL KISS MY FEET, I DEMAND IT SO!

The Ecdysiast1 votes

  1. If it were a binding contract, you would have to be an adult to enter into it. It is not.

  2. The ToS actually says nothing at all about what will get you banned in chat. It only says they need no reason to ban you, so really any and all bans are correct regardless of how you appeal.

I don't know what's with the spam post when you don't even know that much.

Primaquarius2 votes

You must not understand sarcasm

The Ecdysiast1 votes

I responded as if you had said the exact opposite of what you actually typed. Which means I was taking your sarcasm and responding as if you had been straightforward instead.

People should be informed that they do not have the right to appeal a ban, as they've agreed to a ToS that does not say you have to misbehave to get banned. This notion people have that it's breaking the rules that gets you banned is false-- the ToS intentionally gives them the power to ban without reason so they don't have to do the work of being clear about the rules.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Well, I'm only telling players how to use the report system.

But, players who spend a lot of money on the game actually should be able to be more loose with the rules.

They're the ones actually supporting the continuation of the game, not the ones who spend nothing.

EvilDustMan4 votes

Or. You could refrain from using slurs and hate speech in public like a reasonable person.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

And that helps you ban players who use slurs, how exactly?

EvilDustMan4 votes

Kittens are delicious and should be eaten.

Upvotes this post if you like pizza.

TrulyBland4 votes

It's quite easy to screenshot someone saying some kind of slur

Actually it's surprisingly difficult when they are reasonable enough to just not use slurs. What a far-fetched concept, right?

The Ecdysiast1 votes

I'm sure it's also quite difficult when half the players speak a different language.

TrulyBland2 votes

When you want to insult people you want them to understand you, so people who flame usually do so in English. I have to admit though, it's pretty damn hilarious that you chose to reply to me rather than EvilDustMan who made the exact same point that I did, presumably for the sole reason that this red herring you call a counter argument wouldn't work on his post.

The only thing that's even funnier is the fact that despite all these things, you still essentially just admitted defeat. You basically just admitted that it's not a problem at all to not be reported for slurs.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

I didn't admit defeat in the slightest. My original post, if you care to read it, is on HOW to abuse the system to get people who use slurs, even jokingly, banned from the game.

You brought up players who don't use slurs, which are --obvious to anyone who thinks about it-- not included in the group of players I'm referring to.

There's being irrelevant, then there's being plain stupid out of spite.

TrulyBland2 votes

Just that Riot does not condone using slurs, even jokingly. There's no "abuse" in this case. It's admittedly a bit off that somebody would be reported without anybody actually being offended. But here's the thing: Unless it was clear to you that you were not offending anybody you still were in the wrong to use the slurs.

And I don't think there has ever been a case of somebody using slurs after being explicitly told by all non-premade teammates "I'm totally fine with you jokingly using slurs, btw) and then being banned for said slurs.

And just to drive the point home: Even if such cases did exist (which I'm sure they don't) it is still at its core a completely avoidable issue. And how easy it is to solve this essentially non-existent problem is anything but irrelevant.

Liquid Poro 2 votes

I'll take it. Bring the upvote!

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Woop. I figure if people are going to disagree with what's just, might as well get them to upvote the post so actual discussion can be had.

Liquid Poro 1 votes

Ehh

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Unfortunately the only other comment was a link to a short SJW stick figure comic. So of course there isn't going to be any discussion, just mindless screeching.

Liquid Poro 1 votes

Lol

sheldonbunny4 votes

{quoted}

Unfortunately the only other comment was a link to a short SJW stick figure comic. So of course there isn't going to be any discussion, just mindless screeching.

https://xkcd.com/1357/

Except this is an extremely well known comic and has been used for years to debunk the misconceptions of what freedom of speech is, and what it allows in an online environment. And fyi, to call that comic series even slightly SJW shows your ignorance of what that series is even about. Educate yourself before trying to debate topics. It's just sloppy on your part.

All that really needs to be said to follow up is this: We all sign the Terms of Service. It's a contractual obligation you are saying yes to when you create your account. It means you are agreeing to all policies including how Riot handles disciplining players. Don't like it? Start reading the fine print before creating accounts online.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Whether it's part of a series or not, this particular comic is a perpetuation of the false idea that you have the right to yell and scream at someone so that they cannot have a voice, rather than listening to what they have to say and reacting like an adult.

We do sign the terms of service, and if you read it you'll find that there is no mention of toxicity anywhere in it, only that you follow the community guidelines. Guidelines, which if you read those as well, are left intentionally vague because the ToS actually says they do not need a reason to ban you.

My OP is simply to inform weak players that they have a way to unjustly steal hard-earned content from other players. If you disagree with their right to do that, then feel free to downvote the thread.

sheldonbunny3 votes

{quoted}

Whether it's part of a series or not, this particular comic is a perpetuation of the false idea that you have the right to yell and scream at someone so that they cannot have a voice, rather than listening to what they have to say and reacting like an adult.

We do sign the terms of service, and if you read it you'll find that there is no mention of toxicity anywhere in it, only that you follow the community guidelines. Guidelines, which if you read those as well, are left intentionally vague because the ToS actually says they do not need a reason to ban you.

My OP is simply to inform weak players that they have a way to unjustly steal hard-earned content from other players. If you disagree with their right to do that, then feel free to downvote the thread.

Oh where to begin on debunking your false logic? Let's see...

That is not what the comic is stating. It's pointing out that the concept works solely based on where one is trying to use said rights. Online is not part of one nation or government. It is after all the World Wide Web. Freedom of speech does not equate across the globe in the same way. Certain nations do not have it at all or under strict regulations. Even in America there are stipulations to that freedom, such as organized protests and how citizens can go about doing them. The comic is pointing out that people have a right to their opinions, but in privately owned areas, such as a gaming community they can decide not to put up with it. That is their right.

This leads me to my point. Riot, their client, website, forums, etc etc belong to them. They have their established rules. We are visitors here, whether paying for any content or not. Either way, we are limited on what we are allowed to do. Riot dictates policy, not us.

The fact you're degrading anyone who dares (in your eyes) to take a screencap of someone as weak tells far more about your character.

Brass tacks here dear: Did you or someone you know recently get punished with the aid of screencaps? Or perhaps you or said other have a disagreement with someone who threatened a report with attached screencap? Because honestly, you're sounding like every other person in here throwing temper tantrums because they don't like being told what to do.

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If you disagree with their right to do that, then feel free to downvote the thread.

Nice try.

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Upvote if you agree that it's perfectly fine for players to have this power. Downvote if you think Riot should change this system so that players can defend themselves from those who report them based on hurt feelings alone when the gameplay wasn't effected.

Great mind games you have there. I'll refrain from playing them.

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

https://goo.gl/images/Az6Aj0

Liquid Poro 1 votes

Lol I almost laughed at myself but I read it.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Okay, mister SJW, wrap your head around this fact:

Freedom of speech is the freedom from consequences and protection from those who would harm you for what you say.

If what you called freedom of speech was the actual definition, then the only possible way to violate it would be to gag them. And that simply isn't the case.

These people going around and interrupting rallies are not the intended audience, and are not "the people listening." They are there with the sole intention of refusing ideas that disagree with their own held beliefs. They create noise and use violence because they are incapable of listening to reason.

The asshole is the person who refuses to listen and understand another, to the point that they would harm them either bodily or monetarily in order to have their own beliefs and biases remain unquestioned. I'm sorry if you've been brainwashed to think it's okay to yell over someone who's quietly telling you their mind, but it'll take more therapy than I can give to undo that.

And you've also gone against the thread, since I specifically asked that if you agree that players should have the right to be bigots, you should upvote it.

Imperial Pandaa3 votes

blinks I love how you just think I am a SJW because of a comic strip I posted. Time to discuss.

Freedom of speech is the right to articulate one's opinions and ideas without fear of government retaliation or censorship, or societal sanction. freedom of speech and expression may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, the right to be forgotten, public security, and perjury. And finally the offense principal; The idea of the "offense principle" is also used in the justification of speech limitations, describing the restriction on forms of expression deemed offensive to society, considering factors such as extent, duration, motives of the speaker, and ease with which it could be avoided.

We aren't talking about real life, we are talking about a video game. The reporters aren't always blatantly yelling or attacking back. Some mute and many just report after the game. So this rally argument doesn't seem to fit. Perhaps if you clarify some things it will. Who are conducting the peaceful protest? The toxic players or the reporters? Seems the reporters are the peaceful ones while the toxic ones try to disrupt the game. Would you like to try a different analogy?

You also seem to think I lack any sort of intelligence. While also ignoring that your argument of yelling can be turned back. The asshole is the one who continues to flame/be toxic to their team despite someone who maybe "quietly" trying to get their team mate back. Don't assume someone is a bigot because they disagree. I hate yelling for reasons that don't matter to you, which means hey i don't think it is okay to shout over someone else.

Also, bigot - a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

You seem to be one by definition. I'm willing to at least listen and entertain the idea of your opinions and ideas. While you have decided to attack my digital image by assuming i am a SJW, among other things.

sanshaoye1 votes

spend less time on the net and more time doing exactly what you're preaching my friend. i'm busy at it too

Shadowynn2 votes

another troll post?

The Ecdysiast1 votes

What's troll about telling players how to use the very fair automated report system?

ModPeriscope1 votes

The post-game report is the best way to report players, not a support ticket.

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