Chat Restrictions

Dreadlocks·Jan 13, 2017·1 votes·764 views

IF I CAN'T CHAT IN-GAME, WON'T I BE BANNED FOR FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE? **Players are never banned for not communicating through chat in-game. **In fact, a large portion of games are completed with very few words being said at all. If you feel you need to communicate to your team, then you should use Smart Pings. Smart Pings will allow you to communicate all vital information much more quickly than typing. Smart Ping allows the following commands to be given: On My Way, Enemy Missing (MIA), Be Careful, and Assist Me.

28 Comments

Deep Terror NamiJan 13, 20177 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/79aGu3wR-support-singed-isnt-banable-but-thats-not-the-point?comment=006b

Was not banned for not chatting.

DreadlocksJan 13, 20171 votes

The line here is the player repeatedly showing no flexibility in the face of resistance to their strategies, and consistently forcing teammates into a wildly different bot lane experience hundreds of times.

He was banned for doing something off-meta.

Deep Terror NamiJan 13, 20178 votes

It's almost as if you didn't read the thread at all.

DreadlocksJan 13, 20171 votes

Oh I read the entire thing. The guy for riot said multiple times they didn't Want to punish players for doing off meta things but at the end of the day they did. Why? because the ADCs would get high blood pressure playing a 1v2 lane. idc what he said in regards to WANTING people to experiment etc, they still 2 week banned him for it.

DrCyanideJan 14, 20171 votes

Then you understand the ban had nothing to do with playing Singed Support. If he had played a meta Support like Braum or Leona and done the same tactics he would have been banned all the same.

DreadlocksJan 14, 20171 votes

Still, with intent to win confirmed, **gameplay experimentation and innovation is something we stand behind **even if it ruffles feathers.

Then why was he banned for it?

DrCyanideJan 14, 20171 votes

You quoted it yourself:

consistently forcing teammates into a wildly different bot lane experience hundreds of times.

A Singed Support that was actually in lane with the ADC would have been fine. Still probably reported (because some people are dumb), but no action taken.

He was busy stealing jungle camps from both junglers and being on the other side of the map until about 4:30 into the game. In a video Adellaide Skyhart showed on the process, his Caitlynn had only managed to get 8 CS because of how badly she was getting forced out of lane, while the enemy Ezreal had 27 CS. As the game unfolds Caitlynn continued to remain at a disadvantage and fall behind Ezreal by several thousand gold. That game in particular he was queued up with people he knew, so it was about the best case scenario too, and it still ended up basically sacrificing the ADC (which should be your team's primary way to take towers).

Edit: Looks like he's adapted the strategy to use Morgana instead of Singed, and he's still getting reported for it. Like I said, it's not the champion, it's not playing the role.

DreadlocksJan 14, 20171 votes

Still, with intent to win confirmed, gameplay experimentation and innovation is something we stand behind even if it ruffles feathers.

Explain pls

DrCyanideJan 14, 20171 votes

There will always be some ruffled feathers, but there are ways to minimize the pain for allies. They discussed that with him in the thread.

There are plenty of people who are fully willing to try crazy strats if they have some idea what they should do their part to pull it off. No strat is good enough to make up for someone who trolls, so if you want to maximize your effectiveness you need to minimize the chance of other people using what you do as an excuse to go trolling.

DreadlocksJan 14, 20171 votes

he wasn't trolling though lol

DrCyanideJan 14, 20171 votes

I never said he was.

DreadlocksJan 14, 20171 votes

Then what are you saying? lol.

BeatzBoyFTWJan 13, 20171 votes

Do your research again.

Magical PlayerJan 13, 20172 votes

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He was banned for doing something off-meta.

banned for a different reason altogether

SavageConcordiaJan 13, 20171 votes

He was banned for refusing to cooperate with the team

SamTheMadJan 13, 20171 votes

the issue here thats up for debate isn't the not talking, its the guy in top lane who won't listen to smart pings, if u can't listen to pings then please use the chat feature.

Magical PlayerJan 13, 20171 votes

In this Singed player’s case, the two-week ban’s already expired. For what it’s worth, we believe the penalty was warranted because in literally hundreds of games the player inflicted a huge amount of disruption on players who didn’t agree to their chemistry experiments. On the other hand, the player’s communication issues fall well short of permaban territory, and in retrospect the threat of a perma in the Player Support response was a bit much. We also see marked improvement in their efforts communicate with teammates in more recent games. It’s worth mentioning that cases like these are handled by humans and any player in a (pretty dang rare) situation like this can request further detail and a full review from Player Support. it wasn't a few games, it was hundreds.

DreadlocksJan 13, 20171 votes

Yeah I read and understand it completely. Basically everything I already said, off-meta, adcs didn't like it. And the only reason he got punished was because he did it hundreds of times... that's pretty fucking stupid to me

Magical PlayerJan 14, 20171 votes

Fair enough, we're both entitled to our opinions. We agree to disagree.

DreadlocksJan 14, 20171 votes

I mean, facts are facts :)

Magical PlayerJan 14, 20171 votes

Yes taking exactly the part of the fact you want to support your argument, is infact what you are doing. Again, his punishment was more than just his off meta picks annoying his team It was his lack of communication across 100's of games "warranted because in literally hundreds of games the player inflicted a huge amount of disruption on players who didn’t agree to their chemistry experiments. On the other hand, the player’s communication issues fall well short of permaban territory, and in retrospect the threat of a perma in the Player Support response was a bit much. We also see marked improvement in their efforts communicate with teammates in more recent games." I can not site it any clearer than this WAS NOT BANNED FOR BREAKING META WAS punished FOR NOT COMMUNICATING

DreadlocksJan 14, 20171 votes

Was he though?

IF I CAN'T CHAT IN-GAME, WON'T I BE BANNED FOR FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE? Players are never banned for not communicating through chat in-game.

In this Singed player’s case, the two-week ban’s already expired. For what it’s worth, we believe the penalty was warranted because in literally hundreds of games the player inflicted a huge amount of disruption on players who didn’t agree to their chemistry experiments. On the other hand, the player’s communication issues fall well short of permaban territory, and in retrospect the threat of a perma in the Player Support response was a bit much. We also see marked improvement in their efforts communicate with teammates in more recent games. It’s worth mentioning that cases like these are handled by humans and any player in a (pretty dang rare) situation like this can request further detail and a full review from Player Support. it wasn't a few games, it was hundreds.

Basically from what i understand, he wasn't banned for his lack of communication, he was banned because too many ADC players didn't like doing 1v2 bot lane.

Either way Riot states that you cannot be banned through failing to communicate through in-chat, and also cannot be banned for playing off meta picks/playstyle.. Yet in 1 way or another, he was banned for a little bit of both :)

Magical PlayerJan 14, 20171 votes

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Was he though?

Basically from what i understand, he wasn't banned for his lack of communication, he was banned because too many ADC players didn't like doing 1v2 bot lane.

Either way Riot states that you cannot be banned through failing to communicate through in-chat, and also cannot be banned for playing off meta picks/playstyle.. Yet in 1 way or another, he was banned for a little bit of both :)

Miscommunication When i said communication, I was not referring to his simply not typing The player may of not said anything, but by refusing to work his team, forcing his idea onto his adc to work a 1v2 lane(no teamwork) The idea is this is a team game, was left at the door. He was experimenting at his teams expense to my understanding

DreadlocksJan 14, 20171 votes

So, basically they don't support off meta playstyles.. just off-meta picks. lol.. I'm just looking at what was written and regardless of what they think sounds good to say, it contradicts itself the entire time.

Magical PlayerJan 14, 20171 votes

Yes and No the problem lies that his team was doing strat a,b,c he was doing z,x,y Sure the playstyle makes sense sure it works. However what we're missing is that, he didn't duo queue with the same adc everytime He was experimenting in ranked(i think), on how to make his support singed viable 100's of times. With each time failing to discuss with his team. The game was not fun for the adc, was not fun for his jungler/mid/top laner. He was ruining their games by failing to communicate what his intentions were from the get go. Regardless of the outcome, he could of played any meta support and done the same thing. And we'd still be here. He wasn't punished for thinking outside the box, his punishment came from his ruining the game for everyone else 100's of times Had he tried support singed with people who understood what his intentions were, probably no punishment, Had he tried other supports instead of being dead set on support singed for 100's of games, no punishment. Had he considered his team prior to instalock support singed probs no punishment

He failed at being a teamplayer again, i am not rito. I did not ban him, I can only argue with what I know of the case

DreadlocksJan 14, 20171 votes

The red that commented on the post literally contradicted himself the entire reply... I don't think they will ever just straight up say they banned him for X reason because they don't want to put off other players. And so they try to play both sides of the fence so they sound like a good guy when in reality they are going against their word. Actions speak louder than words.

Magical PlayerJan 14, 20171 votes

Again agree to disagree