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The community as a whole needs to stop fearing Toxicity.

Skorch··51 votes·2,154 views

Now im not gonna call people that dislike toxicity snowflakes. Different people are different and some people just dont wanna hear that shit in their games. And thats fine.

However i draw the line where people are so afraid of toxicity that they fear things that might be misused for toxicity.

Like Missing Ping: I saw someone yelling at Riot for joking about it being misused. Riot like anyone else, should be able to joke about what their community is joking about. And a lot of people make fun of missing pings being used for toxicity. (Dont see anyone complaining when Riot is joking about Feeding Yasuo players)

Like Emotes: "WTH Riot you are giving toxic players a way to be toxic?" No Toxic players dont need a way to be toxic, all they need is a reason. And if they find that reason they will do whatever they can to be an asshole.

People need to just accept that. Now im not saying accept toxic people. Just accept that they exist. Because Riot shouldnt have to not implement good ideas for fear of toxicity.

In fact you should be happy if they have a way to vent. So that you can easily find them, mute them, and report them.

I would much rather have someone missing ping me/? Emoting me. Than having them flaming in chat, or int feeding if those are the best ways to currently show how to be toxic.

69 Comments

PePsiLemoNN20 votes

But...but...That random guy spamming missing pings on me hurt my feelings :( /s

LOSINGISMYPRIDE1 votes

did they just implemented a way to mute ping ?

SecondAirbane2 votes

hes joking he knows

SteelMankind4 votes

You say /s, but stuff like that does actually hurt my feelings. When people are toxic to me in game, I typically gnaw and beat my right forearm so its badly bruised. Im worried that I went too far last time, as it has been nearly a week and still aches.

mrpcdude10 votes

If you have to urge to physically harm yourself from what happens from some random jerk in a video game, I would suggest 1. You remove yourself from situations like that, and 2. Seek help from a mental health professional to help you not to harm yourself.

SteelMankind3 votes

What does it matter that the communication between the jerk and I happens over the in-game chat of a video game? That person is REAL. That person exists IRL, has their own life, family, friends, job, etc. and they HATE me. It's no different than if someone sent me a hateful letter in the mail.

Skorch7 votes

There is a big difference actually. Someone in game doesnt know you, and doesnt hate you. They just generally want to be an asshole. Not to you specifically, but just in general. Getting a toxic letter in the mail means the person actually knows who you are, and doesnt like you.

I Main Swain2 votes

they dont hate you, theres a psychological effect that happens in things like online games and forums where people are able to communicate and interact without being in person or even anonymously. people actually change their personality in situations like this, and the more anonymous they feel the more reckless and irrational and impulsive they can be, in part because they feel like consequences will be either meaningless or less significant. this works in both the positive and the negative. for example, im very reserved in person, super shy, super awkward, but over text im extremely excitable, joking, bold (surprisingly), and a lot more kind and genuine. also, when playing online games, at times ill get upset by something and while normally irl i would just brush it off and try to move on because i hate conflict and i hate confrontation but in games sometimes ill lose my temper and lay out the salt. in person i can almost guarantee that 99% of players who are rude or toxic would be perfectly normal, pleasant people in person

Arakadia3 votes

I beat something else so badly its bruised and still aches. Is that bad? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

U FKN SUCK1 votes

Or instead of those thing you take a moment to realize no one has to be the cause of your emotional state.

Soraka is SO HOT1 votes

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DatFatman1 votes

That is not how these things are handled.

waiting for WoW13 votes

The only things that should ABSOLUTELY never be tolerated in chat are death threats, threats of any kind, racial slurs, and other blatant hate speech. Everything else is simply mute worthy and not worth saying x9 this guy plz etc you get the point.....

The issue is no one understands the difference between someone actually being toxic or someone just being an asshole. An asshole deserves to just get muted, and toxicity is much rarer than most people realize.

Skorch2 votes

I agree, but also you cant blame people for not liking people just generally being assholes.

Me personally i dont really care what you say unless its pretty bad. But people really need to not let it bug them as much.

AninLegions7771 votes

Lool. Hate speech is a bloody joke. Death threats? I'm in bloody Africa on Holiday. Come find me bro. Racial slurs? I'm originate from West Africa so I'm black AF. I can take anything. Toxicity is a bloody joke. It's like comedy to my ears.

GRS Kheldurin1 votes

The idea of hate speech is totally a joke, I agree. Especially given that it's subject to a given individuals capacity for being offended. You seem to have a stronger spine than a lot of people, so it doesn't bother you. Really, promoting the idea of hate speech (and doing things like making it a banable offense of it's own category) breeds fear of speaking in general, especially if there is frustration in the context. The idea of hate speech is a slippery slope because it is precisely subject to each individuals outlook on what constitutes it. This is compounded upon people who are "privileged" because of their demographic (see also: straight white male). You often see this used as an excuse to dismiss arguments against hate speech, because it implies that the person doesn't suffer as anyone else. That addition opens the floodgates for people to use it to grieve others.

Now, to be fair, Riot -does- list things that they consider hate speech, but are ALL slurs included? I'm not going to list the obvious ones here, but are things like "cracker" on that list? Or is it omitted because white people are "privileged" in the politically correct culture? People have come to fear words, or specifically words that challenge what they personally agree with. This is concerning when the age and assumed level of maturity of someone increases. It's reached a point to where many adults have become so good at playing the victim, I'm surprised they don't carry their own body chalk.

AninLegions7771 votes

Don't get me wrong, words do get to me sometimes but I won't give the asshole the privilege of seeing me bothered. I feel that if speech is censored in real life, the internet shouldn't be censored, AT ALL! The problem with this generation is that we want to feel "safe" from words when there are worse things to worry about. I mean I don't thing words bother people stuck in famine ravaged countries. I won't risk getting soft when I know things are getting worse even in first world countries like England.

I suck at Jhin8 votes

People who can't deal with few assholes in a fucking game should just get off internet for good and play with barbies for the rest of their lives.

Nyarlathοtep4 votes

Here the problem. They are not a few! After a bunch of asshole doing the same you are going to erupt in one way or another! Amazing isnt it? Some of us want to have a normal game, with no assholes trying to piss us of. Because at the end of the day lol is a video game, not a chore.

I suck at Jhin3 votes

It is a chore to report at least one person every game though.

Nyarlathοtep2 votes

Isnt this a bit irrelevant? I never said about reporting. I just said assholes are a pain in the arse.

AninLegions7771 votes

Look mate, as long as the internet is anonymous, assholes exist. I found the best ways to deal with bullies was to turn the tables on them. So I see an asshole here, they get assholery treatment from me.

Nyarlathοtep1 votes

I have my own ways to deal with asshole and the such but still, its annoying. And with riot implementing more and more things that can anger you doesnt help the slightest.

AninLegions7771 votes

Lool I've come to terms with it. I've lost all hope in Riot tbh. I just play cos I've already invested a shit-ton of money in this game.

Sirrkas3 votes

I would prefer, if the people you called assholes would get off internet for good and learn how to behave for the rest of their lives. Then they come back. Until that happens, I will continue to report them. It doesn't need to hurt me, to report it. It is enough, if they are jerks in the game.

AninLegions7771 votes

Hahaha! Good luck mate. I used to be bothered about people calling me the N word irl. Now, I don't give shit because the default setting for humans is asshole.

Sirrkas1 votes

I most likely also woulnd't care for something like that, if a random person would say that to me. I also don't care if they write that stuff ingame towards me. The last one telling me, he would find and kill me, made me smile behind the screen.

It just looked like, that comment was in need of a reply, to show, that is not the only way to get rid of people getting annoyed by toxic people.

I suck at Jhin1 votes

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Sirrkas1 votes

You seem to be really confused, if you assume that everyone who does report flamers, cries in a corner, as soon as somebody gets toxic. I usually start smiling, when I see some serious toxic behaviour in chat.

Noblewind6 votes

League of Legends has the most confrontational playerbase compared to several other online games I've played. It's just from the fact that the majority of players' initial reaction to almost anything is a negative one.

This is true even for a lot of positive/honourable players. One guy dies twice in lane, puts only 'GG' in chat, and everyone loses their mind. It's not even a possibility to people that this player was just joking. In other games I've played the typical reaction to this situation would be a simple Lol and it's over. Whether they're toxic or not just accept it. When anything remotely negative is said in a League game, the people who end up tilting the game aren't even the toxic players, it's the rest of the players on the team who are being so sensitive to the tiniest thing

Smart Girl4 votes

people need to stop being butt hurt like i'm a black girl and i was once told that i was going to be linched and was called a nigg(that word) by the enemy ekko and you know what i did i laughed i thought it was funny i didn't take it as a personal attack i didn't really think much of it he was prob joking even if he wasent i don't know him or where he lives and vice versa stuff like that does not phase me (i live in Kentucky so i'm use to stuff like that) the best thing you can do is ignore them and not let it get to you people need to grow thicker skin

This Is Your Dad3 votes

Honestly that's not very funny. Even if it wasn't offensive, I don't get how it was funny. Explain to me the humor in it.

Pandemic Punch4 votes

Explain why anything is funny.

Imperial Pandaa4 votes

Are we doing a thing? If so:

Explain why nothing is funny.

Botifier2 votes

Explain why funny is nothing

AninLegions7772 votes

I'm black too. My skin is as thick as they come.

P4 Silent3 votes

I find. Report Feeder. The more reports, More feeders appear.[zombie-brand-facepalm]

ModUlanopo3 votes

However i draw the line where people are so afraid of toxicity that they fear things that might be misused for toxicity.

They don't "fear" the things you mention. They just want tools to manage their experience the same as they do with chat. Sometimes they ask for these tools in a logical way; sometimes they ask for them in an emotional way, which is - as you mention - perfectly fine.

Riot hasn't removed pings or mastery emotes. They provided minimal throttling for pings and that's it. Riot is also expanding on emotes (probably as a counter to HotS' sprays). Good ideas aren't being discarded at all, much less discarded out of fear.

AninLegions7771 votes

Chat mute and ping mutes exist. Emote mutes will probably come later. However, people need to grow thicker skin.

ModUlanopo1 votes

However, people need to grow thicker skin.

Why is that, exactly? I'll never understand this persistent need for people to demand to be the worst version of themselves.

AninLegions7771 votes
  1. There will ALWAYS been an infinite supply of assholes in the world. Never changes.
  2. There are far worse things than words. I rather be told to get cancer than not have clean drinking water.
  3. Humans weren't made partly soft. Meaning we should also be hard when the need arises. The world today is encouraging softness which is what happened centuries ago until wars started breaking out and soldiers were scarce cos people got accustomed to peace.
BigBellBrute1 votes

I'm not afraid of Toxicity. I just don't like to be around it. Toxicity breeds more toxicity. Nobody is the better for it. And no, I don't need thicker skin. Those that are Toxic are the ones that need to grow thicker skin and learn how to control their uncouth behavior and stop going postal when someone makes even the smallest of mistakes or does something they don't like.

AninLegions7771 votes

You need thicker skin if you get offended. Telling assholes to learn manners is like telling murderers not to murder. They know it's wrong. Yet they still continue. You can only try to protect yourself from them. Won't argue on an established fact. And if you say toxicity breeds more toxicity, then that means every single human has the tendency to be toxic which, duh, is the truth.

Rafatinoni2 votes

I understand that this is just what you think, but many people just want to enjoy the game without dealing with the fact that LoL's community is a toxic wasteland almost every game. Asking those people to change or learn to deal with toxic players doesn't feel nice to them and is only giving more importance to toxic players when the problem is that there are too many toxic people who don't always get punished like they should. This is just what I think, by the way.

Skorch1 votes

As i said in the original post, i do not blame people for not wanting to deal with toxic players. Nor am i saying that they should just deal with them.

The point im trying to make is the times where people dont like/want something for fear it could be used as toxic. Like Emotes. The post is also for people who think that anyone who jokes about spam pings is a cardinal sin.

Im not asking people to be okay with toxicity. Just not have immediate distaste for things that have none at least yet.

Hope that cleared that up.

Rafatinoni1 votes

Yeah, I get your point. Even though I think Emotes are unnecessary, community toxicity shouldn't be a reason not to implement it. Thanks for clearing that up.

Rainfall2 votes

in one game i said one thing in my teams chat " do you want to open?" and i had 3 people screaming at me for being toxic and asking the enemy team to report me,i was not trolling or anything i just asked that.

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