@Riot: How to Reduce Trolling and Hostility in Champion Select

HalcyonDweller··4 votes·1,112 views

Introduction

Hostility and trolling occur more frequently when players are left to figure things out among themselves. The more opportunity for conflict among players, the more likely it becomes that such conflict and hostility will arise. We saw this in seasons past with blind pick and 'calling your role' in champion select for both normal and ranked queues.

Modern matchmaking removes a lot of this by giving people clearly assigned roles based on what is needed while also factoring their preferences into their assignment. (Thanks so much for this btw! It has made my pregame experience significantly less stressful!) However there is still one area of ambiguity where players are left to figure things out on their own. Namely, role swapping.

The Problem

Sometimes players are assigned a role different from the one they want to play. And sometimes these players will request a role swap for the role they want. This is not really a problem in and of itself. But factor human nature into it and suddenly a wild conflict appears! The core problem arises because some players are unskilled at asking kindly, or they forgo asking entirely and simply demand the swap.

Setting up an AI to monitor chat for these negative exchanges is complicated, inefficient, and poses some unnecessary risks. So I would like to propose another way to reduce / prevent this issue while also making it easier to track the events of champion select, enabling Riot to reward players for cooperating with their team and punish players who act maliciously.

A Proposed Solution

Riot please implement a role swap function, similar to the champion swap function. Either of the following ways might work:

  • When Player A is assigned a role that they do not want to play, they can click a general "request a swap" button and a general popup appears for everyone saying something like, "Player B is requesting a role swap, would you like to help them out?" Any player can then click "offer your role" to give Player A a choice to trade roles.

  • Or a more precise version, when Player A is assigned Player B's primary role, Player B could click a button on the Summoner's Rift Map Graphic to request that role, causing the other player to receive a popup, "Player B is asking you to swap roles with them, would you like to help them out?" With yes and no buttons. This removes the need for players to ask in chat, and makes it very clear to the champion select system when players switch positions.

The Potential Benefits

  1. The system would enable Riot to identify players who willingly swap roles, possibly granting auto-fill protection or other rewards to such players and further encouraging cooperation in champion select.

  2. Players would have less opportunity to figure things out among themselves, thus reducing the possibility or likelihood of conflict in champion select.

  3. The system would make it much clearer and easier to track and identify patterns of events, such as when a player bans another player's pick intent to force a dodge or a swap.

  4. Tracking the actual played role of every player each match potentially opens up new opportunities for matchmaking in the future, such as the ability to measure the same player's MMR differently for each role, thus enabling more fair matchmaking when they play their off-role.

Thoughts?

Please share your thoughts in the comments below. Also, let's try and break my idea so we can figure out if/how it needs improvement!

15 Comments

Magical Player3 votes

Gonna just poke around it for a bit, not trying to be malicous Just you didn't say any of the negatives of this idea

Would it prevent the players from forcing their opinions still? no ex, Role swap with me or I feed or Role swap, I troll otherwise

currently its give me mid or I troll/feed so nothing really changes just adding more decoration to the system. Good thing is you're promoting people to actively accept that by "rewarding" them for assisting a troll.

Not that i'm againist rewarding players for working as a team, but the idea that you should be compensated to a greater degree simply for trading roles. I mean yeah, I think the idea of working and winning as a team rather than losing is the reward. Just my thoughts I will say that there needs to be a method for promoting people to play higher demand roles(support)

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HalcyonDweller2 votes

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Yeah, it doesn't really change anything. Maybe an official swap agreement makes for more accountability and thus more accurate reports, but that doesn't really solve the problems.

This is true, but in addition to creating more accountability it also enables Riot to better track the events in champion select.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PE8UOA5a,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-20T22:10:51.855+0000)

Gonna just poke around it for a bit, not trying to be malicous Just you didn't say any of the negatives of this idea

Thanks for responding! No offense taken, I appreciate your feedback :)

Would it prevent the players from forcing their opinions still? no ex, Role swap with me or I feed or Role swap, I troll otherwise

currently its give me mid or I troll/feed so nothing really changes just adding more decoration to the system.

This is true, my main goal with this is to remove the ambiguity of the event. By making it a part of the system, Riot does the 'requesting' for the player, so there is less room for toxicity or miscommunication. This does a number of things:

  1. By creating an official method for the players to communicate this through, it imposes order on the process; making both players feel like Riot supports them asking and choosing freely. It makes them less likely to feel attacked by one another, and reduces the chance of conflict. Edited for clarity at comment age of 2 hours

  2. It would be more effective for catching trolls who do decide to take the bullheaded approach. It could be used in a system that records behavior events that occur in champion select. It makes it clearer for Riot to track when a player asks to trade roles as well as if another player grants that request or denies it. if Riot can more easily identify this event, they can connect it to what follows, such as banning pick intent or other forms of trolling, in order to identify if the denied player might be acting maliciously.

Good thing is you're promoting people to actively accept that by "rewarding" them for assisting a troll.

If the player who wants a role has an easy button to click to request the role, they will likely go with that first, rather than immediately resort to trolling. And if the player does not troll initially, the other player is free to make a choice free from duress. If they accept/offer the trade then nothing happens and no toxicity occurs between them. And if they deny then Riot has a clear event they can track in their system of determining if the requesting player acts maliciously when they don't get what they want.

Not that i'm against rewarding players for working as a team, but the idea that you should be compensated to a greater degree simply for trading roles. I mean yeah, I think the idea of working and winning as a team rather than losing is the reward. Just my thoughts I will say that there needs to be a method for promoting people to play higher demand roles(support)

I agree, people should know better and do better based on the fact that they are more likely to win if they cooperate. But losing or winning the game is a long term reward or punishment. Behavioral psychology shows that the best way to encourage a behavior is to reward it immediately when it is expressed. Based on this, I think that the best way to encourage players to swap for or simply queue for high demand roles would be to actively reward them somehow the very moment that they make the choice to do so.

Has No Team2 votes

Alright I could buy in to this. It would eliminate a popular grief method which is someone saying they'll switch you then picking for the same role. would the switch icon be on the other side of the champion picture or would it be something more noticeable so people could better weigh their options ?

HalcyonDweller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cry More Pls,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PE8UOA5a,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-11-20T23:35:31.439+0000)

Alright I could buy in to this. It would eliminate a popular grief method which is someone saying they'll switch you then picking for the same role.

Thanks for adding to the conversation! Fixing that would be part of the goal :)

would the switch icon be on the other side of the champion picture or would it be something more noticeable so people could better weigh their options ?

I'm imagining it would be on the map screen like the one shown below. Alternatively it could highlight the other player and show their role in shiny bold text to better indicate what role is being switched for. Maybe a pop-up message could slide out of the side of their champion picture too? I'm not 100% sure on the best way to display this, and Riot probably has UI engineers to handle it, I'm just suggesting as many ideas as I can.

http://s.lolstatic.com/site/2016-season-update/771027dc9533e4950f1dee80b9e00ceb8d4dbcca/img/new-champ-select/position-assignment.jpg

Has No Team1 votes

So something like that?

Edit: Obv the minor difference i should mention is a standout icon and the summoner champion pictures moved. Edit 2: THis would just be adjusted champ select screen the following is trade https://i.imgur.com/pakIQkw.jpg

Has No Team2 votes

With The Trade offer looking more like

https://i.imgur.com/TIb480P.jpg

HalcyonDweller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cry More Pls,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PE8UOA5a,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-21T00:13:50.589+0000)

With The Trade offer looking more like

https://i.imgur.com/TIb480P.jpg

Dude yes, this is even better than what I was thinking! :D

Has No Team1 votes

Well feel free to use the img

HalcyonDweller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cry More Pls,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PE8UOA5a,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-21T00:29:21.475+0000)

Well feel free to use the img

Thanks amigo!

Kei1431 votes

A fair idea.

But if there were autofilled and swapped back, are they going to be protected from autofill in the next queue?

HalcyonDweller1 votes

That depends,

  • If they are the one requesting a role swap and are granted one, I would think no.

  • If they are the one granting another player a role swap, I would think yes.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

Bonus xp for giving up your role would make it less feelsbadman. Autofill protection would do the same. I like it. I don't think it changes very much, but it's a decent QOL change.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Thanks! These are good suggestions :) XP is a great idea for a reward for cooperating with teammates. I hope Riot does this or something equally as awesome!

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