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Just had a 3 man group gang up on me in ARAM

SnugglePuggle94··2 votes·1,531 views

I got Riven to play in my first match of the day. The game was going fine until I hit level 6. We all were pushing the first turret. Their Shyvana was low and escape to the turret, but in range for me to dive and ult. I charged up my ult, and as I was about to send my wave, the Swain on my team flashes and steals the kill from me.

Now, a lot of you think "Oh, ksing isn't a part of this game," and "It's ARAM, ksing isn't a thing." Well to me, it is, and it's rude, not to mention mean. Well, I got a little agitated at him, and slipped up by calling him an asshole. I regret that on my part but I had no idea of what was to come. After I called him out on it, Swain was like, "What, fucker?" I told him he ksed me and he called me "stupid." I said I would report him for it.

As the game went on, the Trundle, Swain, and Sivir on my team started to gang up on me. Trundle the excessive one, kept harrassing me sexually, saying things like I needed to find a girl to fuck so I would stop bitching (I had since stopped talking about the ks, but they kept saying mean things so I was like "wtf really", or stuff like that). When Trundle again said I needed to get laid and other mean things, I told him "I am a girl, you idiot." He thought I was a boy all along and was harrassing me. Sivir kept saying things like I needed to grow up and act better, or something along those lines, and to stop playing like a child. (I was playing just fine, though I couldn't get any kills because they all took them, and I would die trying to get some because they wouldn't follow up when I went in). Swain kept laughing and saying mean things too, and a lot I can't remember exactly what they said, but I am pretty astonished that I was so ganged up upon by them.

After the game, they all put in the post chat that they were reporting me for abuse, and asking the enemy team to report me too. I was like "wtf, I did nothing wrong." I pleaded for the enemy team to please report them, not me. (I know it's basically not right to ask for others to report someone, but they were doing it so I had to stand up for myself).

I sent in a ticket about this too, because I really don't want to be punished for this. I have made mistakes in the past with my language, and am working on getting it better. Even when they ganged up on me, my usual thing to do is start to rage and get really abusive, but I didn't. I'm already on 2 strikes, and my next is a 2 week ban, which I'm working hard not to get, and I really don't want to be slapped with a ban because I complained once or twice about a ks and got reported for harrassment by what seems like a 3 man premade.

This also speaks loudly about the toxicity of the players in this game, Riot. I hope you have things out there to be able to handle these premades or groups of people that downright abuse others and report people for stupid reasons, even if they didn't do anything wrong.

Sorry about my vent. Just really needed to let it out. Also, please don't comment saying I'm in the wrong or that I deserved what they said. Because I clearly didn't.

Thanks.

31 Comments

Zielmann12 votes

I've got several thoughts here, and I'm not sure you'll like some of it, but if you take this all to heart, it should help you improve. And hopefully, you won't find yourself hitting that 2-week ban (or worse).

The basis of the entire situation you found yourself in was swain getting a kill over you. That's it. Would it have been more efficient taking all cooldowns used into account for Swain to have just left you to get the kill with your ult? Yes, it would have. Riven ult is a far lower cooldown than Swain's flash. I can respect that. But also realize that this game is chaotic and you don't have the ability to directly communicate with your teammates in that moment.

Riven charging up her ult isn't exactly the most obvious thing in the world. In the heat of things, Swain probably didn't realize you were going to get the kill with it shortly. He might have even been worried that you were going to just up and dive the tower and die trying to finish off the kill. Had you been able to be in voice comms with the rest of the team, you could have easily said "I've got this one guys". In that case, if the swain does flash up to take the kill after you've basically called them off of it, then yeah, he's being a bit of a dick.

But honestly, outside of that environment with direct comms, as much as you've already dismissed the statement, there really isn't such thing as a ks. At least partially. Sure, somebody can take a kill from you that you could have secured yourself. But it isn't worth getting upset with the other player over such things.

This isn't to excuse the behavior of the group of 3 you ran into. They certainly deserve to be reported for harassment. Their response was certainly unacceptable. But your choice to bother taking the time to make your disapproval for swain flashing for a kill known, and especially in the way you did it, is really what set everything off on the wrong foot to begin with.

The point of all this is to say that it's okay to get frustrated over things in this game. It's going to happen. You'll run into people who frustrate you, guaranteed. But if you can't voice your frustration constructively, then it's only going to hurt things to take the time to put them into chat. Who knows, perhaps the entire situation you were in could have been avoided by simply saying "aw man, I coulda finished that kill off with my ult" instead of being accusative.

Beyond that, some general advice to help you make sure you avoid getting caught up with another punishment:

  1. Don't announce reports or threaten to report. There's no point to doing it, and doing so can actually be considered harassment itself and get you punished. If you're going to report somebody, just report them after the game and move on.

  2. Mute liberally. You want to avoid any temptation to start arguing with people. The moment somebody starts harassing you, just mute them. Referring back to point 1, report them after the game and move on. Defending yourself can be okay, but many people get caught up in the heat of the moment and self-defense becomes counter-offense. The moment you retaliate, you're just as much in the wrong as the other person was.

If you're really working hard to correct your behavior, I don't want to see you get banned from the game. But it won't be easy. You have to break old habits and form new ones. If you've already been punished twice, it'll take 6 months of not getting punished to clean your slate.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

I'm really competitive. I hate when people steal kills especially if they do it to troll or to be mean. If it's accidental I'm fine. And Swain had plenty of time to see I was going for Shyvana. I came out of the bushes, hit my E and Q to get in range to ult, then as I'm about to fire he flashes and takes it. And he kept stealing after that too, so I had a right to be upset. Though I do agree I could've gone about it a better way, just in the heat of the moment I blurted out a little language.

I didn't tilt or get majorly abusive all game, unlike the 3 who kept ganging up on me. And yes I do know about muting, sometimes I forget. Sometimes it's hard for me to let go and that's a problem I'm working on.

I just don't want to get banned because of these 3 abusing the system and me.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

If you are competitive then you should never use the term kill steal in a game. It is basically never going to make things better. Best case scenario nothing changes. Worst case...well you just saw the worst case. It's just crying over spilt milk. Either it was an accident in which case it's unimportant. Or it was intentional and they aren't going to care about your displeasure about it.

You won't get banned because of those 3, or any abuse of the system. If you get banned it would be for what you said to them.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

I can use kill steal because it's a part of the game, and it's real. I barely said anything at all to them, therefore I shouldn't get banned.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

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I can use kill steal because it's a part of the game, and it's real. I barely said anything at all to them, therefore I shouldn't get banned.

I'm not saying you can't use it, I'm saying you shouldn't. It's not against any rule. But there's really no upside to doing so. Positive outcomes from a kill steal being called out are few and far between(if they exist at all, I dont recall every seeing one). The overwhelming majority of the time it is going to do either nothing or be a catalyst for any number of negative responses.

If you want to say venting your frustration over a kill steal is worth it, then thats your business. But it is counter productive from basically every angle.

Zielmann3 votes

It's great to be competitive, but sometimes you just have to let things go. Like I said, Riven's ult prep isn't exactly the most visible thing in the world, so there's a good chance he didn't even realize you were going to have it secured from range. I mean... how many times have we seen Rivens seem to think they're impervious to towers and just dive in thinking they'll finish off a low target with regular skills, only to get juked and die?

And this is just a guess, but any other times he went out of the way to take kills from you were likely a direct result of your reaction to the first one. Again, at that point not exactly excusable when it's done as a means of basically intentionally trolling you. But it can probably all be traced back to your own reaction the first time.

Regarding getting banned because of 3 people abusing the system, Riot has taken that into consideration with the design of the system. Single reports in a game are worth as much as multiple reports from a premade, specifically to mitigate the perceived 'premade effect' where people think a premade of 4 all reporting one player will automatically result in a punishment. Not true at all.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

Like I said before. He saw me come out of the bushes and go for her. Therefore it was intentional that he stole it from me.

Ugh people are doing exactly what I told them not too, which was basically say I'm in the wrong. Sure I blurted out one word but it wasn't meant to result in this escalade of them attacking me. And I'm sure many people get agitated clearly for someone taking their kill and speak out about it.

Zielmann2 votes

Like I said before. He saw me come out of the bushes and go for her. Therefore it was intentional that he stole it from me.

You don't know what he saw. Tunnel vision is a strong thing. He may well have been so focused on shyvana that he didn't notice you diving in. Even if he did see you going in, he may not have realized you were going to get it with your ult, so he last hit shyvana before you could have a chance to dive in far enough that you'd have no escape. League is a game of split-second decisions and reactions, remember.

You assumed he was intentionally taking that kill from you, without knowing in the slightest what was going through his mind at the time. That assumption, while not really productive in any sense, isn't what started the downward spiral here, though. It was your reaction to what happened based on that assumption.

It's okay to be frustrated with people in the game. Most of us are out there to play well, win, and have fun. You're going to encounter teammates who make decisions that frustrate you, and that's fine. **But there's no use in venting those frustrations to the team. **

I told you that you might not like what I had to say, and by your defensiveness I gather that you didn't. But ultimately I am trying to help you. Ignoring the specific scenario that happened in that game, the last statement I put in bold is the key. You've got to work on following that if you want to avoid getting more bans in the future. And I can just about guarantee you that when you don't vent those frustrations to the team, they'll probably play better, and you'll play better, and you'll have better results all around.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

I remember clearly seeing him watch me go in to kill her, then he flashed after and took it from me right as my wave was going to hit her. Anyhow, you weren't there, you can't just say that I assume things which I saw clearly in my eyes.

My reaction, I don't see how it was the whole problem. And yes, I don't like what you are saying at all. I barely vented at all, I basically said he stole from me, and really didn't say anything else. The 3 people just kept on saying mean things to me even when I dropped the whole topic. I have been working on things.

Anyhow I'm done here. All people are doing is just being rude and saying I'm completely in the wrong and on the road to a perma ban. When all I wanted was to let people know how toxic these guys were to me and maybe get a red to respond. It's always like this when I post something, people see the negative side and always blame me or use it against me.

Zielmann2 votes

You couldn't physically see what Swain was looking at on his screen, either. You assumed he saw you, when he might have simply been tunnel-visioned on a low health target. We've all been there before.

You've indicated concern about being banned, and a desire to avoid it. I'm just telling you one thing to work on in order to do just that. Was the reaction of those three people to your comment about an alleged KS reasonable? Heck no. They should certainly have been reported, and will be punished sooner or later if they regularly act that way.

SnugglePuggle943 votes

I know the things I have to work on, thanks for that. You are the only one that is kind on this thread.

Zielmann2 votes

Unfortunate bit of a 'culture' of sorts that's grown within this section. I wish they would do something about that. it's a bit of a deterrent for people legitimately seeking help, and a distraction from the posters actually trying to help.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

I agree.

ToxicOrRito 1 votes

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Therefore it was intentional that he stole it from me.

Ugh people are doing exactly what I told them not too, which was basically say I'm in the wrong. Sure I blurted out one word but it wasn't meant to result in this escalade of them attacking me. And I'm sure many people get agitated clearly for someone taking their kill and speak out about it.

It wasn't yours, you don't own it.

You fired the first shots calling him an asshole and then first threatened to report him when he replied to your shitty comment.

The consequences were of your own making. Cause and effect. Drop your ultra "competitive" attitude in ARAM and you won't have these issues in the future.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

My comment wasn't shitty, but yours is. Also, it was mine. Now leave me alone.

ToxicOrRito 1 votes

{quoted}

My comment wasn't shitty, but yours is. Also, it was mine. Now leave me alone.

Yes it was, you called him an asshole - own up to it.

Don't post on the forums if you can't handle people disagreeing with you and you don't want conversation. Bai.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

No, he deserved the one word I called him. But you have been just as bad to me. I can handle people, just not ones like you. Good bye to you. Leave my post alone.

ToxicOrRito 1 votes

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No, he deserved the one word I called him. But you have been just as bad to me. I can handle people, just not ones like you. Good bye to you. Leave my post alone.

You deserved the reports they sent in on you. You can't handle anything that doesn't fall in line with your line of thinking. Cheers.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

You are so wrong, not to mention toxic just like your name. I did not deserve the reports, but you sure do. Good bye now.

Grashnim3 votes

There is an ignore option, I suggest making good use of it.

And with a name like SnugglePuggle, shouldn't they have told you to find a guy? I'm not judging, LGBTQIA proud.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

I do have a boyfriend, fyi. But it was hard to ignore them when they were being mean and saying false things. At least I didn't rage and get extremely tilted, like I have done before.

Grashnim1 votes

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I do have a boyfriend, fyi. But it was hard to ignore them when they were being mean and saying false things. At least I didn't rage and get extremely tilted, like I have done before.

It's not hard to ignore someone, you just hit "tab" and then click on the speaker icon. Alternatively, you can open the chat window and use the /ignore command.

I find it highly beneficial when playing online games and vastly increases my enjoyment. Ultimately, what concern do I have to read messages from some random hateful person?

SnugglePuggle942 votes

I know people say to mute. Sometimes I just don't think or in the heat of the moment I can't let it go. It's a problem I have and I'm working on it.

Rocky22 votes

Learn to use the Mute Button. All your problems will be solved.

/Endthread

No flash no life2 votes

Kill stealing exists only in games where you act and benefit on an individual basis, such as mmorpg or fps. Though you're still playing a specific character, you're contributing for the benefit of the entire team, hence that term doesn't make sense here and it was misbrought over by players from other game genres. The difference between you getting the $ and teammate getting the $ is the efficient use of that $ to help the team out.

For example, if you spent all the effort to do dmg only to have a teammate secure the kill from last hit, and that teammate made full use of that $ to contribute to winning the game then - as unpleasant as you may feel - that's not a problem. If the teammate doesn't do dmg, takes the kill, then sits there afk'ing then that teammate is harming the team and only then can you call him/her kill stealing since that player's no longer considered part of the team.

Baunjo2 votes

" I just wanna rant, please dont disagree with what I am ranting about. This isn't a discussion website after all "

ToxicOrRito 1 votes

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" I just wanna rant, please dont disagree with what I am ranting about. This isn't a discussion website after all "

Lol exactly. "If you disagree you're toxic and mean to me. Don't reply unless you agree with me, bc that means you're a good person and teammate."

Pisdov1 votes

I don't get this thread. You were in the wrong from the start here. Whining about kill-stealing in a team game, cursing at him. You kinda had the flaming coming.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

No, I wasn't.

Pisdov2 votes

{quoted}

No, I wasn't.

Keep thinking that way, play the victim. There's a reason you're on strike 2, and it's this attitude you're displaying here. You caused the problem, and now you want to play the victim. That's fine, go ahead, sounds like you're on the road to perma-ban soon anyway.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

My attitude? Are you serious? That's bullcrap, and you know it.

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