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LoL Community is not worth more than 5% of my Effort

HavokDash··3 votes·2,039 views

The more I play this game, the more I realize this community is NOT WORTH my full energy In matches. This community is Only worth about 5% of my effort in matches. I really no longer see the benefit of wasting my full effort on a community of 'children' (behaviorally speaking) who:

  • are only interested in how may SOLO KILLS they have, even happy to sacrifice teammates so they can jump in and score in some post-mortem cleanup kills. And they are happy to brag about how hard they are "carrying" even as the enemy team destroys our base.
  • are happy to find ANY excuse to label ANYTHING and Everything as Greifing, trolling, Toxic, Intentionally feeding, etc....no matter how far they have to stretch to make that connection.
  • see themselves as "above" or "better than" their team (in the same way Royalty would look down thier nose at a peasant) and look at the rest of their team with absolute disgust for not "carrying them"
  • see themselves as "god teir" and thus expect everyone else to play to their own expectations. If they go for 20/0 KDA and fail, thats ok. But they will ream you out and flame you to oblivion if you even DARE go 0/1
  • even see NEW players as "trolls" and are happy to report them and get them banned for "inting" because they dont know a particular champ or mechanic. Oh and they are very happy to tell you how "absolute fucking trash" the new player is for not playing to the standard listed above.
  • Only consider this a "team" game if they need a reason to blame someone else because They didnt go OP and lost the match due to showboating and ego (Just had a Yi player who ran solo the entire game. went over 30 kills by sticking near a teammate, Sweeps up last hits with Q and then BOOKS. Spends the entire game taking kills and running, leaving teammates to die. Then says we arent playing as a team for not wanting to be around him. Blames us for the loss while bragging about his 30 kills which he achieved off the corpses of his teammates)

For this reason I have decided to limit my effort to about 5%. I see no reason to put my full effort towards winning a match when I know that 9/10 times its gonna be lost because people would rather chase thier Solo kills, artificially inflate thier kda so they can get that "S grade" and brag about how they are "carrying" while the actively avoid towers, actively ignore dragons...Or worse yet, happily abandon a dragon and give it to the enemy team so they can go chase a solo darius at the other end of the map. I am not throwing, I am not greifing. I am just choosing not to waste energy and effort when people would rather run around and throw the chess pieces at each other rather than going for the checkmate (Nexus destruction). Again and again people dont want to actually win as long as they can chase kills and brag about double digit kills. They will sacrifice thier team to secure kills for themselves and run all over the map chasing cosmetic kills (Looks good, but doesnt do anything to actually help the team. Rather chase the easy solo kill TOP lane casually farming, then try and help the mid laner being 3-man pushed and losing lane fast) and then turn around and talk about how they "cant carry this trash team". People seem to want to treat the game like a free for all, all that matters is competing for who has the most kills. And they only pull out the "its a team game" as an excuse when someone wont jump through hoops on command, to throw themselves at the enemy so an already fed yi can score +1 kill while the teammate is left to die (and lets not forget that there will also be calls for "report our X, Inting" at the end of the match)

So Yeah. I am done trying to call this a "team" game, so dont give me that BS. Its NOT a team game. Its become a place where people dont want -teammates- they want WITNESSES (as In "Bare witness to me and how amazing I am, look at all my kills and tell me how OP I am"). With this Kind of community I am being generous with 5% and before it comes up, I am not throwing. I am just trying to win alot more lazily. Still trying to win, and if it happens it happens. But I dont see any reason to waste energy and effort on this community.

Enjoy Your 5v5 Free for all.

35 Comments

Wínters Dawn3 votes

I only see one baby here

HavokDash1 votes

Yeah sorry If I see the community for how it really is. That doesnt make me a baby, that makes me realistic.

TheSnowyLeopard2 votes

TL;DR Can you limit it to 0 percent instead? thx

HavokDash1 votes

I am being generous with 5% effort. I mean I am a nice guy. Just tired of wasting full effort so these "showboat" kids can abandon thier team while the enemy takes base because they are 24/0 and see a lone pusher in the enemy bot lane. So they sacrifice thier team, their tower, their base, and the match. All so they can go 25/0 and brag about how they "totally carried the trash team"

But yeah I do enjoy my strategy games (I play alot of puzzle based games) so gotta at least try to win in some small, lazy way. I am not throwing, Just gotta play suuuuuuuper safe. it is 1v9 after all, right?

TheSnowyLeopard3 votes

If someone is 24/0, and you aren't helping them, then you are the problem, not them lol. Because they only ever helped the team, and that means if the enemy team is able to push your nexus then the other 4 people on your team (this includes you) are feeding. So please if you cant see the "strategy" of playing off your best chance then you should get better at "strategy games" you say you love.

Also I'd rather you make it 0% and I think everyone else agrees. Dont want a team mate like you "who plays safe" because they are tilted. If you cant have fun in the game, dint play the game. Dont ruin it for everyone else by begging for more then 5percebt effort.

HavokDash1 votes

So you have an ally who is 24/0 and spent the entire game just chasing kills, Not helping with towers, NOT helping teammates. Just take a kill and run away. Remember what I said about cosmetic kills? A) An easy top lane kill, enemy only about 15% health farming solo with no one around them in thier own lane under thier own tower While at the same time B) A 2-3 Man enemy rush mid lane, one tower gone, they rushing for the next one. Player Can only chose 1 target. A) Get an easy kill that doesnt really change anything? But still looks pretty on their KDA (Hense the term "Cosmetic") or B) Stop the enemy team from snowballing through mid lane. And give the rest of the team time to catch up and recover ground. And when the enemy attacks our nexus because this player chose artifically padding thier kda over helping the team Player decides that ONE solo kill in the enemy territory is, again, more important than helping the team defend the nexus Your suggestion is "You need to help them get that +1 kill or you are a bad teammate" Yeah who cares that it costs us the nexus, the match, for some people its their series. Who cares about that THE GUY WENT 25/0, THATS whats more important!

Also I love how you think everyone automatically agrees with you. I am part of that "Everyone else" and I dont agree with you. Begging for more than 5%? What are you talking about, You really didnt read. This community is only WORTH me putting 5% effort into my matches. I am not begging anyone for more than 5% because you are only gonna GET 5% effort out of me.

TheSnowyLeopard1 votes

i mean, judging by everyone elses comments, its pretty much against you fam. Also the Term cosmetic kills is an interesting one that I have never heard before lol.

You also missed my point. If someone is at the point of being 24/0 and the enemy team is fed so that they can kill your nexus. It is LITERALLY not that persons fault, it is the rest of the team. thats my point.

HavokDash1 votes

Cosmetic kills LOOK good on your Kda, But do not help progress towards a win. They do not help your team take towers or stop the enemy from taking YOUR towers as in the example I gave. You have 4 people pushing mid, and ONE player alone in their own jungle farming camps. You take the solo kill in the jungle which does NOTHING to stop the 4 people in mid lane from completely destroying your mid lane. Looks good, But Doesnt Help your team or stop your team from getting steamrolled.

Cosmetic kills = Kills that make your kda look good on the surface but provide absolutely No contribution towards winning the map

And yeah they can think what they want. Apparently people have already started using the "ur troll so u cant talk" excuse. So they can be "against me" all they want. This was My observation, and there are others who actually agree with me that this community is a rotting cesspool. I am considered a "Troll" because I think for myself. while they use the "meta" like a cudgel to beat people over the head with. So sorry but the "Troll" label doesnt fly with me.

KZ Engel2 votes

seems like it'd take quite a bit of effort to write a book for us

HavokDash1 votes

Yeah I know, how dare I actually bring up the flaws that contribute to LoL winning the #1 Most toxic community. How DARE I actually try to show that the community isnt the perfect sanctuary they think they are.

More flaws means more typing. But this community wants to just plug their ears and say "La la la, I dont hear you. Troll...TROOLLLLL"

Cind3rkick2 votes

Mabye if you put in more than 5% effort and try to carry games you would climb and get out of bronze :) I know this is coming from a B1 but I think that just lets me talk from personal experience, being that I started in B5 And I get your point that in 1/10 games you will get this, but if you try to work with your team. If you complain about people taking kill then play jungle or support, and give them kills to let them carry you If no one comes into a teamfight with you then dont try to 1v5 because if 4 people say no, its probably a bad idea You complain about it not being a team game when you dont even work with your team, Just a bit of advice for you coming from a climbing bronze, Try not to get too worked up because in all elos there will be trolls and inters but if you look past the stereotypes and focus on pure gameplay, you will definitely climb! Good luck!

HavokDash1 votes

Lets see, Yeah tried doing all that and it failed. Every time I manage to scrape and claw my way to a series and manage to get promoted, I am immediately knocked down because some child who thinks this is call of duty decides they dont need a team, they can 360noscope the enemy team 1v5 and repeatedly run off solo because they too good and dont need a team.

Hmm, lets see, take jungle? why so children can whine and cry because I am there to HELP THEM and Not PLAY THEIR LANE FOR THEM. Play support? I was a support main, but at this point cant fucking stand it because my adcs are so damn narcissist I can keep them alive, cc the enemy alive long enough to get them a triple kill.....and still be told how "useless fucking support" I am. How the triple kill was all the adc. And yeah that Yi in my OP. Thats ALL he did, was take the kills. He comes in, Q's when they are last hit, take the kills, then books it and leaves us to die when reinforcements arrive and we are exhausted. He ends the match with 30 Kills but NEVER helped with dragons, or towers. He sacrificies his team so he can jump in AFTER THEY ARE DEAD and secure kills for himself.

And no, it Isnt a team game, You can call it one all you want, it may be touted as one, But it is little more than a 5v5 free for all, every player for themselves. I have been playing this game sinse season 3 so I nkow how the game works and been able to watch the swelling egos and arrogance over the seasons. So no, I am not gonna waste my time Lashing myself and coddling some spoiled child who thinks they are "Gods gift to league"

My teams want to win, then they will prove it by pushing towers. But kids want to chase thier "most kills, bruh" bragging rights so they can take the loss that comes naturally because THEY choose to chase thier KDA Polish, while the enemy team chooses to chase THE NEXUS. Gee I wonder which focus will win. My money is on the enemy team.

Cind3rkick3 votes

Ive been looking at your match history and you seem not to try. at all. Alll your builds are inconsistant and yo uappear to be hte one feeding. You played gragas all the time and as far as im aware you have no idea what your doing You appear to be support yet you are hardly every takign a support item and building full damage, The most notable game I saw is this one https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2708694456/241381869?tab=overview Where you have the same cs as your adc and you both fed, while I didnt watch this match it appears that it IS your fault You are taking a troll (ish) build by building morello and then BoRK and Tmail. This build makes no sense and helps your adc in no way. Mabye try someone like soraka or thresh with a simpler playstyle than a gragas support

Bijeesny1 votes

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Ive been looking at your match history and you seem not to try. at all. Alll your builds are inconsistant and yo uappear to be hte one feeding. You played gragas all the time and as far as im aware you have no idea what your doing You appear to be support yet you are hardly every takign a support item and building full damage, The most notable game I saw is this one https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2708694456/241381869?tab=overview Where you have the same cs as your adc and you both fed, while I didnt watch this match it appears that it IS your fault You are taking a troll (ish) build by building morello and then BoRK and Tmail. This build makes no sense and helps your adc in no way. Mabye try someone like soraka or thresh with a simpler playstyle than a gragas support

No wonder he's against stric measures against trollers, when he looks like one of them.

P4ppino1 votes

You just described all the ppl who are simply not good enough yet. That's why they are in bronze, you see. Players in bronze don't know very basic stuff about the game, you can't blame them for it. You can blame them for flaming you tho, I guess.

HavokDash1 votes

Nah I know typical bronze play. There is a difference between a player who doesnt know the "basic stuff" about the game. and a player who actively ignores their team, only comes in to quickly "q" a last hit enemy that runs, leaving teammates to die when backup arrives. Then talks about how its the rest of the teams fault because he wanted to chase a 30/10 kda while the enemy focused our base and hammered our nexus. Whenever they attacked our base, he would run out the side entrance through the jungle to chase solo kills.

If it was typical "bronze stuff" I would understand. But when you have a 30/10 yi bragging about how hard he "carried" while happy to sacrifice teammates for his own personal greed and happy to abandon teammates if there isnt a kill he can steal (again, he was ONLY interested in kills, not once did he try and go for towers)

Its not about "not knowing basic stuff" its this "Im too good for this team, all my team is trash" attitude that the community seems to encourage. I mean I was in other threads and people mock players for daring to bring up legitimate flaws with the community. There is not knowing stuff, then there is the disgusting egotistical sense of arrogance, the "better than thou" nose-in-the-air snobbery that people are happy to turn a blind eye to....

As I said, this community is not worth me putting in effort to try and win, but 5% is pretty much the lowest I can go. I may try, I may fail. But Unlike the rest of this community, I dont see myself as a "god among mortals" or "King/Queen among lowly peasants" (More fitting description of the attitudes I have seen) in matches.

P4ppino1 votes

There are multiple things that can keep you in bronze, aside from game knowledge and mechanics, I just felt like pointing it out, since it's the most important factor players have to improve in order to climb.

Of course, what you are saying is true, and it might be that excessive arrogance and this "thinking they're better than everyone" attitude contributes to their ranked status more than I assumed. I understand that you don't want to put up with it, but I also believe that this issue is a low elo issue, not a whole-ladder issue, if you know what I'm saying.

HavokDash1 votes

and yet anyone who brings up these flaws even for discussion, are shot down, flamed, degraded, and mocked. why? because they dont follow the scripted "lol community is perfect, lol community is amazing, Lol community are all uber pros who can never do anything wrong or have any flaws omgkthnxbye!!" script

Anyone who brings up any flaws they see in the community, anything that doesnt shine a glorious light on the community or commit to the echo chamber is told how they are just "Salty cuz u sukk" Or "mad cuz bad" They are flamed, told how worthless they are, and dismissed. So its not just a "low elo" thing. This whole community seems to want to commit to the facade that the community is PERFECT, and Has NO flaws, NO arrogance. NO problems what so ever. And anyone who says other wise, no matter what evidence they bring, is just mad because they sukk so bad at the game...or they are trolls, or they are trolls who suck...and dared to have a single bad game 5 months ago...so anything they say is dismissed, invalid and they need to be banned from the game and community.

I have played the game sinse season 3 so I have had alot of time to notice these things. But that doesnt matter because I am not pro enough to carry, so anything I say is invalid. Right?

Kei1431 votes

wait a sec, didn't you already learn about how the behavioral system works?

why you still so salty?

HavokDash1 votes

Not salty, fed up. Kids want to be a KDA chaser and ignore the towers/dragons/nexus They can take the loss, natural consequence when people choose thier personal greed and artificially inflating kda over actually focussing on the nexus.

Its like playing chess but rather than going for the checkmate, teams just sit there and throw the chess pieces at each other. They want to win? they will prove it and wake me up. Otherwise I am going Low/No effort. It shouldnt be a problem anyways with how many times I am told "chill dude, its just >insert gametype here<" when I suggest pushing towers but someone wants to chase a kill while the enemy takes our inhibitors...But team is more interested in hunting down +1 kill in top lane.

TheSnowyLeopard1 votes

salty = fed up

HavokDash1 votes

Call it what you want, it changes nothing. This community is losing players left right and center, and the players that are here are too full of themselves and focused on "killz = Skillz" and patting themselves on the back to care if they lose the match. So yeah, I am fed up, it doesnt invalidate my arguement. Call it salty, call it fed up. IDGAF Point still remains that if all you care about is kills? Then you arent worth my full effort. If I see people actually trying to take towers and win then yah, I will try harder and go help. but if I see kids too busy chasing kills from one end of the map to the other and ignoring towers/dragons/etc to go pad their kda. I will tune out and not try at all. They can ping and cry and call me a "Troll" all they want. They made their bed, now lay in it.

MohawkBird1 votes

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HavokDash1 votes

you mean the ones who can actually admit that the community isnt perfect and dont just plug our ears on going "la la la I cant see it I cant hear it so it doesnt exist"

Yeah How dare I criticize something, to show its flaws. To disrupt the echo chamber. HOW DARE I?!

Either way, still only worth only about 5% effort in my matches. If people lose matches, maybe they should focus on towers more instead of spending 45 minutes chasing triple digit kills while the enemy actually focuses our nexus. These are the same people who will abandon the team trying to defend to go chase a lost solo kill. But If I choose not to dive into a 1v4 when the rest of the team filed in one at a time, waiting for the person ahead of them to die so they could "Clean up last hits" suddenly I have to be reported for "Trolling" Because I didnt follow the rest of the team into the meat grinder (and before you call me a hypocrite, I would have been happy to help the team if they were all attacking TOGETHER. But instead the common practice is to wait for the person ahead of you to die and wear the enemy down, THEN jump in after they are dead so you can take the kill FOR YOURSELF. If it was 5v5, great, happy to help. But not gonna jump in when its 1v5....4x like waiting in line like a coffee shop.

usul12021 votes

If you would like better, more team oriented teammates I recommend climbing to a higher elo, which generally requires some effort.

HavokDash1 votes

I tried that but everytime I get promoted, I get immediately demoted because people want to run around chasing kills. I try focussing the towers and suggest...SUGGEST taking towers. I even say "the only way to win is the nexus" and for my effort I get told to "stfu.....because >insert responders kda here<"

So People are quite happy to think they are "too good" to take any sort of advice and prove time and time again they dont want teammates, they want witnesses. (Look at me, look at all my kills, look how amazing -I- am, arent I so OP?...blah blah blah) Yet anyone suggesting to focus on the actual POINT of the match, the nexus, get shot down and flamed because...again...Kills = Skills (not really but keep dreaming)

So Yeah, I could be promoted, then immediately get demoted because people equate this game with Call of duty (essentially a "Kill them till they stop respawning and we win" attitude) They think they can win without taking the nexus as long as they have "most kills bruh"

usul12022 votes

The people on your team are (generally & within statistical averages) the same level of players as the enemy team. The only difference is you. If you consistantly play better, you'll climb. It may take a bit. I got into promos last week and had an afker which I haven't had in ages. Reaaaaally sucks. But, back in promos now cause I'm willing to keep climbing. You can do it summoner!

Xidphel1 votes

If you're not gonna bother giving a double digit percentage of effort, then why bother playing anyways?

HavokDash1 votes

The game itself is good, The community however is narcissistic, arrogant, self-centered and only focussed on "look at ME and all my kills" They want to sit and wait for kills to fall into thier lap. Or if they feel like it, spend 45 minutes doing nothing but chasing kills. Standard practice is: -Wait in lane----->-score kill -------->-back---------->Return to lane------Wait in lane------> Lather rinse repeat. They will ignore towers and dragons but if the match is lost because the enemy focusses towers, suddenly its "all my teams fault for not having as many kills as me. So if you want to spend all that time chasing kills and yet dont want to push lanes, dont want to even consider taking or even chipping away at towers, thats fine. You can just take the loss as a natural result when the ENEMY team actually takes towers and dragons and curbstomps you into your ground, rendering all those kills you held to your chest completely meaningless.

I am not gonna waste my energy coddling children who think that the only thing that matters is "look at all my kills, I am the best, You all are trash compared to me" I play the game, but not wasting my energy on people who think "My kills" is more important than "Our Win". You want to play the game like its all about you? dont turn around and expect me to bust my ass setting up kills or sacrificing myself so you can further artificially inflate your kda.

This Is what I see over the seasons since season 3. Each season people are more focused on themselves and how amazing they are solo, they dont need a team (unless of course they want to use thier team as a scapegoat while puffing themselves up by bragging about "cant carry this trash team")

Cind3rkick1 votes

Again... If you get teams like that, so does the enemy. the only thing is that they have someone who knows what to do with it, while you dont Either learn to carry games or learn to get carried easier, Take control of the game. Simply by saying "We need to get dragon when it spawns" will help

afmghost1 votes

Is it worth 4% though?

HavokDash1 votes

as I said, I am being generous. I have had too many games where I put my full effort in and someone decided chasing Kills/Going solo/showboating is more important than helping the team push the enemy inhibitor. So the team decides to push mid..and this player decides they want to run off and solo baron when we need all 5. Then they try and 1v4 when we all get outplayed. So as I said. 5% is being generous. These kids dont mind losing their matches as long as they can brag "yeah but I got most kills on the team, I carried ur trash asses" without realising one small thing. Kills mean FUCK ALL in a DEFEAT. You dont get bragging rights for having "most kills" on the losing team of an OBJECTIVE BASED GAME.

afmghost1 votes

{quoted}

as I said, I am being generous. I have had too many games where I put my full effort in and someone decided chasing Kills/Going solo/showboating is more important than helping the team push the enemy inhibitor. So the team decides to push mid..and this player decides they want to run off and solo baron when we need all 5. Then they try and 1v4 when we all get outplayed. So as I said. 5% is being generous. These kids dont mind losing their matches as long as they can brag "yeah but I got most kills on the team, I carried ur trash asses" without realising one small thing. Kills mean FUCK ALL in a DEFEAT. You dont get bragging rights for having "most kills" on the losing team of an OBJECTIVE BASED GAME.

Ok, but where did 5% come from? What equation or whatever did you use to determine that's how much you care?

HavokDash1 votes

It was partially just the first number that came up. I started around 10% But Just decided that even that is too much effort for children who want to spend the game running after kills and ignoring everything else. So I just cut that number in half. Its not 0% But its the lowest I can really go. I am still trying to win, but its kind of like I want to win, I am not gonna just idle or anything like that. I still try to take towers and objectives (funny how I get killed for focussing towers, and they call me a "feeder" while they are running after kda padding. So its more or less the lowest my mind will let me go. Weighing my desire to win vs the obvious kill chasers, Trying hard to not waste too much effort on matches that are already gonna be lost for the sake of "most kills, bruh"

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