End of season rewards for falsely/unjustly permabanned players?

Dominick Destine·Sep 8, 2016·5 votes·1,507 views

I was falsely/unjustly permabanned by what I suspect was a rogue Riot member that recklessly exercised their power. This permaban was later overturned upon review when it was deemed to be an 'incorrect judgment on the part of the person who issued the 'zero-to-permaban' decision'.

I am able to use hextech crafting which I was told people who have been punished by the system cannot. But I fear that if I reach Diamond status, I will not get my Diamond border, is this the case for me?

I'm sure Riot knows the story of To Kill a Mockingbird... the punishment I received was summarily executed in lieu of any actual evidence to support it. I was still punished despite this. My question is, even though it was Riot's mistake BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION, will I be further punished at the end of the season?

77 Comments

WonderlandsSep 9, 20164 votes

Stop whining like a little baby. You were toxic, you got banned for 14 days. You're so desperately trying to play the victim that it's sad.

You prolly won't get your rewards since there IS a suspension record for this season.

Dominick DestineSep 9, 20161 votes

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Stop whining like a little baby. You were toxic, you got banned for 14 days.

You seemed to have lost the plot.

Try again.

Deep Terror NamiSep 10, 20161 votes

I didn't mean for anyone else to come in here and press the issue, sorry.

AstôlfoSep 9, 20164 votes

Oh boy... It's this cocky little shit again who thinks he's always better than everyone and refuses to listen to any actual reason or logic and dismisses everyone that doesn't flat-out agree with him.

redfeenixSep 8, 20163 votes

rogue Riot member that recklessly exercised their power.

eh ?

even though it was Riot's mistake BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION, will I be further punished at the end of the season?

Yes probably. 90% chance that you wont get any rewards.

Dominick DestineSep 8, 20161 votes

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eh ?

'by what I suspect to be'

Yes probably. 90% chance that you wont get any rewards.

That ambiguity is what I am asking to be resolved.

redfeenixSep 8, 20161 votes

Support ticket perhaps?

Good luck.

HexaDecimelSep 9, 20163 votes

I am sure a lot of people will struggle to see the similarities between your story of being toxic, getting banned, then having the ban reduced, to the story of an black man who is falsely accused of raping a white girl and is defended by an honest lawyer who opposes racism.

As I recall Riot already stated that accounts that received suspensions are ineligible to receive end of season rewards. At the end of the day you were rightfully banned, and only had the duration reduced as it was seen to be too harsh. Doesn't change anything else.

Dominick DestineSep 9, 20161 votes

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I am sure a lot of people will struggle to see the similarities between your story of being toxic, getting banned UNDER FALSE PRETENSES/UNJUSTLY , then having the ban reduced

Fixed that for you.

The core premise of To Kill a Mockingbird was the concept of due process being violated, justice not being served and railroading a target without substantive evidence against him which is identical to what occurred to me.

Was I toxic? Yes, but low on the toxicity scale. Was the manual permaban that sent me from zero-to-perma justified? No, even by the admission of multiple Riot members. It was a violation of protocol and a severe 'mistake'. Someone had it out for me and abused their power which is a serious breach of ethical conduct.

As I recall Riot already stated that accounts that received suspensions are ineligible to receive end of season rewards. At the end of the day you were rightfully banned, and only had the duration reduced as it was seen to be too harsh. Doesn't change anything else.

That is correct, however Riot stated that suspended accounts cannot use Hextech Crafting which I can.

There is ambiguity, that is what I want resolved.

HexaDecimelSep 9, 20163 votes

Except you admit that you were toxic, which violates the TOS. So receiving a punishment is perfectly justified. Which is not at all identical to the novel you are referring to. You weren't banned under false pretenses/ unjustly. You were banned for toxicity, which Riot acknowledged was a bit harsh and thus lowered the punishment. Receiving a punishment was still perfectly justified.

Come on Dom, you admit that you were toxic and then try to justify it by giving us the degree to which you violated the TOS. You should know better, and the fact that Riot agreed that it was too harsh does not justify your behaviour.

Lol you keep saying that someone had it out for you, but do you have any proof or are you just blowing smoke as usual.

Dominick DestineSep 9, 20161 votes

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Except you admit that you were toxic, which violates the TOS. So receiving a punishment is perfectly justified.

Except there is established protocol for specific violations.

When this protocol is breached, that is a transgresion against ethical standards and a major fuck-up by the person who did it and the person that has an overview of said behavior.

You weren't banned under false pretenses/ unjustly. You were banned for toxicity

Wrong.

Multiple Riot members outright told me that my permaban was both unjustified and performed manually/unjustly. My toxicity was recognized as low to mid level at best and it the standard protocol is to chat restrict someone in my position.

but do you have any proof

What part of the word "Speculate" do you not understand?

But more to the point; Either someone ROYALLY fucked up or someone had it out for me, those are the only two possibilities.

HexaDecimelSep 9, 20163 votes

The fact that you punishment was only dropped to a 14 day suspension after manual review means that Riot felt that punishment was appropriate considering your behaviour. I understand that you are saying Riot confirmed that the permaban was unjustified. I am simply saying that a 14 day suspension obviously was justified.

In the post that I was responding to you didn't use the term "Speculate". You stated that someone had it out for you and abused their power. You seem to be struggling with the concept of misleading information. It is one thing to say that you speculate that someone is bias towards you, it is another thing to state that someone is abusing their power and is out to get you. Kinda similar to saying that you were unjustly banned and that it got overturned when all that happened was that the punishment was determined to be too harsh as was reduced.

Dominick DestineSep 9, 20161 votes

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The fact that you punishment was only dropped to a 14 day suspension after manual review means that Riot felt that punishment was appropriate considering your behaviour.

Which was a mistake. It was a violation of protocol.

I am simply saying that a 14 day suspension obviously was justified.

It was not justified. In how many ways is it necessary for basic facts to be stated to you before to are able to understand? let me know .

HexaDecimelSep 9, 20163 votes

https://www.myinstants.com/media/instants_images/9000Techno.gif

But in all seriousness it seems pretty odd that you accepted the 14 day suspension and chose no to pursue further action, but are now choosing to complain about it and claim it was unjust. If Riot looked at your suspension and agreed to reduce it then it means you still deserved the punishment they left you with. It isn't that hard to understand.

https://media.giphy.com/media/j4M2SeD7n6Z3O/giphy.gif

Dominick DestineSep 9, 20161 votes

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But in all seriousness it seems pretty odd that you accepted the 14 day suspension and chose no to pursue further action, but are now choosing to complain about it and claim it was unjust.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/Y0E4G0c6-my-chat-logs-that-brought-me-from-zero-to-instant-perma-ban-in-my-personal-opinion-riot-was-wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjV_uRP17B0

TrulyBlandSep 9, 20163 votes

Oh, that thread was about your 14 day suspension? And there I thought it was about the (already at that point overturned) permaban.

You know... given that you forgot to mention the 14 day suspension in the title... or the OP. In fact I remember that you didn't even mention the 14 day suspension until others did. But yeah, clearly the thing you never even mentioned was the thing you wanted to talk about.

Dominick DestineSep 9, 20161 votes

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In fact I remember that you didn't even mention the 14 day suspension until others did.

In that thread? the one you are referencing? read it again , you are horrendously wrong.

TrulyBlandSep 9, 20162 votes

Did read it again. No post of you mentioned the reduction to a 14 day suspension before somebody else did. In fact you only referenced it in discussions that started by others bringing it up. You never brought it up by your own accord.

If I'm wrong, feel free to point me to a counter example.

SerevasSep 8, 20162 votes

If you're able to use hextech crafting I don't think you will have your end of season rewards stripped. They should have eliminated the black mark against your account entirely thus making it as though it never happened.

Dominick DestineSep 8, 20161 votes

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If you're able to use hextech crafting I don't think you will have your end of season rewards stripped. They should have eliminated the black mark against your account entirely thus making it as though it never happened.

I was still suspended for two weeks despite outright admitting that they made a mistake. The "Resolution" was "Yeah this was the wrong call, so we'll do you a favor and just suspend you for two weeks instead of Zero-to-Permabanning your account".

That is what worries me.... again worth noting that I was at ZERO punishment tier when this happened. Not even chat restrictions.

Yes, they SHOULD have eliminated the black mark on my account... they also SHOULD have NOT permabanned me from zero for what is low to mid level toxicity.

DynikusSep 8, 20161 votes

Did you do something that would get you a 14 day suspension that a rioter incorrectly escalated to a permanent ban? This seems more like a question for riot support than the boards.

Deep Terror NamiSep 8, 20167 votes

He did something and was manually given a permaban. He requested another review and it was reduced to a 14 day ban. This was quite some time ago.

Dominick DestineSep 8, 20161 votes

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He did something

"He did something"? I have never been as tempted to say "Go (Have a lovely day) yourself" to anyone on these boards as I have been right now to you. I did not "do something" (Implying a horrendous act that justified a permaban) , I was low to moderate on the toxicity scale over several games and this (For some reason) was then manually sent from Zero-to-Permaban.

You know this. You SPECIFICALLY know this. Yet you are outright lying through omission of crucial details to falsely set-up a case against me.

No wonder you were removed from the arbiters.

Deep Terror NamiSep 8, 20167 votes

I don't remember what you said you did or know what you were actually banned for. I used vague verbiage there specifically because I do not know; would you rather I made it up?

Dominick DestineSep 8, 20161 votes

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I don't remember what you said you did or know what you were actually banned for.

/facepalm Why lie? I know you are desperate to one-up me, but I am honestly embarrassed that you'd go this far. You were there, you posted on the multiple threads I made and you specifically made several comments on the matter (Would you like me to dig them up? go delete your comments before I do if you want, it makes no difference because I quoted you). It has been brought up more than a few times since then and you have expressed knowledge in it before.

I had a little bit of respect for you, but no longer.

Deep Terror NamiSep 8, 20167 votes

What in the world are you talking about? Just because I posted on the thread in question doesn't mean I remember the details. This was several months ago, and your situation was not particularly important to me, sorry. I know your name and that you got reduced from a permaban to a 14-day for toxic behavior.

Dominick DestineSep 8, 20161 votes

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What in the world are you talking about? Just because I posted on the thread

Threads , not thread.

in question doesn't mean I remember the details.

It was not a small, insignificant detail, it was the cornerstone of the entire argument and you commented on it multiple times in multiple threads... but fine, let's pretend you just "didn't remember" that I was falsely/unjustly sentenced to a zero-to-permaban with no justification beyond low-to-mid level toxicity

I am very much tempted to pull your many comments on the issue, but I realize now that you are just trolling.

Deep Terror NamiSep 8, 20166 votes

Ok go ahead and pull my comments. It's possible that some time ago I remember more specifics about your case, but I simply do not know now (and I certainly did not ever have insider knowledge about Riot's decisions). As important as you want it to be to me, it isn't at all.

Again, the only facts I recall are that you were punished with a permaban, argued your case, and it was reduced to a 14 day (legitimately). I gain nothing from lying about what I remember except you sitting here calling me a liar and troll.

HexaDecimelSep 9, 20163 votes

Good old DD, I do find him entertaining at times, just waiting for the day he comes on here to complain about his Perma ban.

Dominick DestineSep 8, 20161 votes

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Did you do something that would get you a 14 day suspension that a rioter incorrectly escalated to a permanent ban?

No. I went straight to permaban from zero punishment tier.

I put in a support ticket and upon review, the permaban was overturned after it was determined that the original decision was unjust and outside of standard protocol (Read: Someone royally fucked up, manually, knowingly and willingly).

This seems more like a question for riot support than the boards.

Incorrect.

I am not asking for anything to be performed, I am asking for information that should be readily available to any of the active Rioters here, the information is extremely pertinent to this particular board as well.

Deep Terror NamiSep 8, 20167 votes

Why do you keep wording it that "your perma was overturned" instead of "your perma was reduced to a 14 day ban"?

Dominick DestineSep 8, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9pkUs49X,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-09-08T21:36:53.487+0000)

Why do you keep wording it that your perma was overturned

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overturn to decide that (a ruling, decision, etc.) is wrong and change it

Your nonsensical argument has been utterly obliterated.... but please, do keep trying to 'one-up' me, your attempts work out so well every time.

Deep Terror NamiSep 8, 201610 votes

I did not say your phrasing was incorrect, so you have obliterated a strawman.

Your phrasing sounds as if it is to suggest all punishment was removed, which is not true.

Dominick DestineSep 8, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9pkUs49X,comment-id=0000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-08T21:44:52.739+0000)

Why do you keep wording it that "your perma was overturned" instead of "your perma was reduced to a 14 day ban"? I did not say your phrasing was incorrect, so you have obliterated a strawman. Your phrasing sounds as if it is to suggest all punishment was removed, which is not true.

Worth noting that Riot themselves admitted that they fucked up my case.

For what reason was my account still suspended after it was recognized that a massive error was made is beyond me. Riot Tantram was aware of my situation but specifically chose not to aid or inform me for some reason.

TrulyBlandSep 8, 20168 votes

Because they fucked up in the sense that you didn't deserve an instant permaban. You did deserve your instant 14-day ban.

Which makes it so utterly frustrating to talk to you about this issue, because you keep leaving out the part about your 14-day ban in your threads. Are you familiar with the concept of "lying by omission"? You may have never stated "My permaban got lifted without any other punishment", but you also get extremely pissed whenever somebody points out that you are being misleading by leaving out the part about the 14-day ban. And that happens constantly, so you should have learned by now that the way you word this case gives people the wrong impression.

The fact that you still deny this despite all the evidence leaves only two possibilities: A) You are being deliberately misleading. B) You have the social intelligence of a potato.

Also, why do you even care about season rewards? Weren't you completely certain you were about to get permabanned yet again (unjustly of course) about two weeks ago?

Dominick DestineSep 8, 20161 votes

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Because they fucked up in the sense that you didn't deserve an instant permaban. You did deserve your instant 14-day ban.

Extremely debatable.

I was told directly by two different Rioters that my toxicity ranges from low to moderate at best. Going from zero to permaban is absolute insanity. Going from zero to 14-day suspension for that is massive overkill. In any case; The original manual, knowing and malicious permaban should never have occurred.

social intelligence

PFFFT AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Good joke.

Also, why do you even care about season rewards?

Diamond pride is far superior to Bronze Chaos.

TrulyBlandSep 9, 20165 votes

And yet again, you start hijacking your own thread by focussing on the "malicious permaban".

Look, here's the deal: You were banned for 14 days. Riot is not of the opinion that this ban was a mistake. And that 14-day ban will without a doubt have a larger impact on your eligibility to season rewards than a lifted permaban. It's not like this was the first punishment to ever be overturned, and I've never heard of anybody having a punishment lifted but still suffering from "side-effects" of said punishment.

If you want to know something about your specific case, you should try giving people all the relevant information.

If you find that would make your OP too long, you could always drop some of the irrelevant things, such as:

by what I suspect was a rogue Riot member that recklessly exercised their power

and

I'm sure Riot knows the story of To Kill a Mockingbird... the punishment I received was summarily executed in lieu of any actual evidence to support it. I was still punished despite this.

Those things would only be relevant if this was yet another one of your threads that serve no purpose other than to whine about your permaban.

Dominick DestineSep 9, 20161 votes

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And yet again, you start hijacking your own thread by focussing on the "malicious permaban".

False.

Others hijacked it. My original question stands firm.

Look, here's the deal: You were banned for 14 days. Riot is not of the opinion that this ban was a mistake.

Actually it was outright stated that the manual permaban was a fuck-up and whoever did it seriously violated protocol. So yes, Riot 100% recognized that it was a mistake.

Beyond that, rather than removing all punishment, they simply reduced it one tier. That was unjustified but at least not absolutely brain-dead nonsensical as zero-to-permabanning someone for what Riot themselves told me directly was toxicity but at low levels on the scale. I should have been chat restricted, that was the protocol in my case but it was jacked up to perma for (again) what I speculate to be a rogue Riot member that abused his power. After they recognized this for the massive fuck-up and abuse of power that it was, they (FOR SOME REASON) decided to decrease the punishment rather than remove it outright or simply follow protocol.

You are horrendously wrong on several levels. In how many ways do these facts need to be stated before your kind understands basic linear events and facts?

Let me break it down

Start an account in S2
Get chat restrictions and suspensions all through S2 and early S3
Get no punishments whatsoever for the next 2 seasons
In S6 get a straight up permaban for unstated reasons, days later I got a strange, half assed email with no explanation beyond "You have been permabanned and are no longer welcome in League of Legends". At this point I thought I had been permabanned for using LSI (League Summoner Information; This is not a hack) because a hack-banwave recently occurred.. I also thought I had been hacked.
I put in a support ticket.
Two Riot members later told me directly that the decision was done manually and both stated outright that it was wrong.
I was informed that I am toxic. Low on the toxicity scale, low to mid at most and that if I continued I would eventually be permabanned, but zero-to-permaban was 'a mistake' and that 'there was a violation of protocol'.
The permaban was decreased to 14 day suspension , despite Riot themselves stating that there was no justification for what was done to me.

What part of this time-line do you fail to understand? I was targeted by someone that abused their power and unjustly permabanned me, I was punished extra-hard because of this person (2 week suspension instead of chat restriction). I am asking if I will continue to be punished.

TrulyBlandSep 9, 20166 votes

So many lines of text that could have been avoided if you read more carefully.

Look, here's the deal: You were banned for 14 days. Riot is not of the opinion that this ban was a mistake.

Where "this ban" was obviously referring to the 14-day ban right in front of that sentence. And your 14-day ban was not a mistake.

Your timeline? Don't give a shit. Your unjust permaban? Don't give shit. Your constant paranoia of some kind of personal vendetta of individual Rioters? Don't give a shit.

You were officially and by any sensible definition punished by Riot with a 14-day ban. That 14-day ban is relevant to your question of whether you will get season rewards. If you really want to know whether you will get season rewards, include the relevant Information.

What about this chain of logic is so hard to understand that you keep twisting this into an argument about your permaban when I've not even once disagreed with you on that subject?

TrulyBlandSep 9, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9pkUs49X,comment-id=00000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-09T01:22:31.476+0000)

Perhaps you should take your own advice.

Banned and suspended are not the same thing regardless of your attempted padding.

They are in colloquial speech. Even Rioters themselves call them 14-day bans occasionally. Edit: AND I said "you were banned for 14 days" in the sentence before talking about "this ban". You should practice your reading comprehension.

SerevasSep 9, 20161 votes

That was my misconception as well, had I known that from the original post I'd have told him they would be stripped as any ban, and correct me if I'm wrong, but chat restrictions as well cause your end of season rewards to be stripped.

SmokedAlmondsSep 8, 20168 votes

While it may not be technically incorrect, it leaves the impression that the punishment as a whole was a mistake. Rather than the reality which is that it was just a notch too far.

Dominick DestineSep 8, 20161 votes

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While it may not be technically incorrect

That's a funny way of saying "You are right and we are wrong".

it leaves the impression that the punishment as a whole was a mistake. Rather than the reality which is that it was just a notch too far.

First of all; In my personal opinion the punishment as a whole was indeed a mistake, but it is debatable whether going from zero to second-to-last punishment tier was justifiable. I was and still am toxic, but on the toxicity scale I am on the low to moderate side.

Two Rioters have directly told me that my toxicity is low.

Second; A notch too far? Zero-to-permaban is not "a notch too far" that's someone royally fucking up a decision. You do not give someone a death sentence for jaywalking, that's not "A notch too far", that's a glaring flaw in the system if that could even ever possibly go through.

Finally; "Leaves the impression"? absolute nonsense. The verbiage is not only correct, but it is extremely specific. If you want to believe in fantasy, go ahead but reality does not bend to your emotion.

SmokedAlmondsSep 8, 20169 votes

It isn't wrong, it just doesn't tell the whole story. (seemingly on purpose)

The permanent ban being reduced to a 14 day ban is a critical piece of information.

To your original question though, the permanent ban that was reduced will have no impact on your reward eligibility. The question is with the 14 day ban. If they follow the same path they did the last 2 years it won't interfere with your reward eligibility. My guess is that any changes(if there are any) will follow something similar to regaining hextech rewards. So if you can get hextech rewards and weren't banned within 3 months of the end of the season I see no reason why you wouldn't get rewards.

Dominick DestineSep 8, 20161 votes

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It isn't wrong, it just doesn't tell the whole story. (seemingly on purpose)

The permanent ban being reduced to a 14 day ban is a critical piece of information.

That's irrelevant and not critical at all, not to mention I stated that it was overturned. It's not complicated.

In any case if a man is sentenced to death for jaywalking and then it is decreased to 20 years in Folsom state penitentiary, that is still wrong and saying "Well at least he isn't dead" isn't an argument.

I should not be continually punished for what was already admitted to have been a mistake on Riot's part.

The question is with the 14 day ban. If they follow the same path they did the last 2 years it won't interfere with your reward eligibility. My guess is that any changes(if there are any) will follow something similar to regaining hextech rewards. So if you can get hextech rewards and weren't banned within 3 months of the end of the season I see no reason why you wouldn't get rewards.

That is what I want clarified by someone in-the-know.

SmokedAlmondsSep 8, 20168 votes

It isn't irrelevant.

There is a massive difference between "My permanent ban was overturned" and "My permanent ban was reduced to a 2 week ban". The first at the very least is leaving the possibility that the punishment as a whole was a mistake and really is going to leave most people thinking that is what happened. The second tells you exactly what happened, a permanent ban was too far but your behavior warranted a 14 day ban.

The mistake was that you were permanent ban instead of 14 day ban, and that was corrected.

If you want to argue that what you did wasn't worthy of a 14 day ban, I can see that. But it is misleading to leave out that your punishment was reduced to a 14 day ban.

Dominick DestineSep 8, 20161 votes

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There is a massive difference between "My permanent ban was overturned" and "My permanent ban was reduced to a 2 week ban".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overturn to decide that (a ruling, decision, etc.) is wrong and change it

Your argument is garbage.

SmokedAlmondsSep 9, 20167 votes

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misleading to lead in a wrong direction or into a mistaken action or belief often by deliberate deceit

SmokedAlmondsSep 9, 20166 votes

Nothing weak or imaginary about it and it was setup by your omission of critical information.

The statement "My permanent ban was overturned" leads people to think you are innocent.

The statement "My permanent ban was overturned and replaced with a 14 day ban" leads people to the think that you are still guilty but that the original punishment was too far and acknowledges that riot made and corrected a mistake.

Those two statements lead you to vastly different conclusions. The frequency you make that claim and the fervor you defend it with leads me to belive it is intentional to gain support, but only you can answer that for sure.

In anycase. I'm not going to keep going in circles with this. I just wanted to make sure people have all the relevant information and I have done that. Have a good one.

HexaDecimelSep 9, 20164 votes

When you present misleading facts it isn't stupidity that causes people to draw the wrong conclusion. However, it is pretty stupid to think that you can get away with it without some people seeing it for the BS that it is.