Riot overturned a permaban; the third one I've ever seen

Dominick Destine·May 19, 2016·9 votes·2,252 views

Who's permaban you ask? mine.

I want to make this thread to express my appreciation and admiration for Riot's behavior team. I have seen VERY few toxicity permabans overturned and for mine to be one of the THREE I've seen in 6 years makes me feel as if the company is truly generous. My loyalty and faith in Riot is strengthened and I want to thank them for their fantastic performance.

Thank you Riot. You are very good to me and I will do my utmost to never violate any of the summoner code ever again. I mean it; The first time I was perma-banned (In early season 2) I changed my behavior to improve drastically.

This time , I will improve even further. As you have not let me down, I will not let you down. Thank you again Riot. (Plays The Hymn of Joy (Also called "Ode to Joy") to celebrate the overturning of permanent ban)

29 Comments

dagurrMay 19, 20163 votes

this isnt the place to talk about this. Besides Riot is breaking their own code with with will not unban any accounts banned. You know how much i hate Riot for banning my account just because they can. Its their rules they have the right to ban even if unjust. We agreed to it so screw Riot. The only thing the ban prevented me from doing is paying money to them so screw Riot.

Dominick DestineMay 19, 20166 votes

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this isnt the place to talk about this.

The point was to state my appreciation and admiration for their behavior team as they had corrected what I considered to be overkill on their punishment against me. Where else would I talk about it? this is the player behavior forum.

Besides Riot is breaking their own code with with will not unban any accounts banned.

That's actually not true, they had already overturned perma-bans before... in S3 (ish) , some guy was perma-banned for "Toxicity" but it was then revealed that every single instance of toxicity was AGAINST HIMSELF ("This fucking Evelynn sucks so bad, fuck you" (He was playing Evelynn)) and the system had registered his toxicity against himself as toxicity in general, so he was perma-banned... after a second review, Riot overturned the ban because he was never causing any grief or toxicity, he was just a REALLY weird dude. Anyway it was quite a landmark case as I believe it was the first time Riot had done that (At least publicly).

Another instance was done recently when some guy was perma-banned for ... some reason (I forget), but it was done while his account had been hacked . He was not in control of the account during the time and Riot realized this, so they made a mistake and removed the permanent ban against him.

Mine is the third case I've seen since season 1. I 'feel' important.

dagurrMay 20, 20161 votes

true but riot has stated its you responsibility if your account gets hacked. Lucky them.

TrulyBlandMay 20, 20163 votes

Not really true, it's just in cases where you're extremely careless when it comes to account security, because it can't really be distinguished from intentionally sharing an account with whoever broke the rules. It's usually linked to account sharing; maybe not with the offender, but if you are known to share your account with 50 different people, and then somebody that shouldn't have had access breaks the rules... how is Riot going to tell you didn't really just share your account with yet another person?

Keep your account safe. Not only will that prevent most hacking, but it also makes sure that if you do get hacked, Riot can verify that and help you with your account recovery and lifting of possible punishments the hacker accumulated.

HexaDecimelMay 20, 20161 votes

They just overturned a bunch of perma-bans that were made in error. Not sure how many it was but based on the posts over the last few days it was a fairly large group of players. Your perma ban getting overturned is one of many.

Dominick DestineMay 20, 20161 votes

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Your perma ban getting overturned is one of many.

Those reversed bans were not for toxicity, they were for 3rd party programs that incorrectly registered on Riot's system.

It's not complicated .... to understand the difference between these bans.

HexaDecimelMay 20, 20161 votes

I don't recall saying the perma bans were for toxicity.

Dominick DestineMay 20, 20161 votes

Two plus two is four.

You cannot deny this.

HexaDecimelMay 20, 20161 votes

Glad you were able to figure that one out.

Dominick DestineMay 20, 20161 votes

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Glad you were able to figure that one out.

Glad you did not deny reality.

Two plus two is four, gg you lose.

HexaDecimelMay 20, 20161 votes

Perhaps you would be able to explain what simple addition has to do with two individuals having a differing perspective on a topic. In addition to that, would you also be able to point out how someone can "lose" a discussion by agreeing to the well known laws of mathematics.

I wasn't of the opinion that there would be a winner and loser in all this. I simply stated that there have been many recent permanent bans lifted, and regardless of cause, all permanent bans should technically be considered the same. You advised that you felt there was a difference between permanent bans due to the circumstances that cause them.

Dominick DestineMay 20, 20161 votes

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Perhaps you would be able to explain what simple addition has to do with two individuals having a differing perspective on a topic.

Given that I was recently unbanned for toxicity, I decided to say something completely random rather than brutally decimate someone.

I wasn't of the opinion that there would be a winner and loser in all this.

You'd be mistaken even if you were.

But let me do this in as nice of a way as I can, out of respect for Riot forum readers;

My statement was that overturning toxicity bans was very rare.
Your statement, having failed to understand my statement, was that a lot of permabans were recently overturned.
My response was to differentiate one from the other (3rd party program ban vs. toxicity ban).
Your response was to fail to understand my response.
My response to your two consecutive failures was to say something random rather than brutally destroy you.
You failed to understand my third response so I kept pushing the joke.

Basically, you're a very 'outstanding' person.

HexaDecimelMay 20, 20161 votes

I understood that you were referring to perma bans due to toxicity. However all perma bans are due to a violation to the TOS, therefore I didn't bother to make a distinction for individual circumstances.

Of course I didn't understand the purpose of your statements regarding addition. It had absolutely nothing to do with what we were originally discussing. However, that in itself does not mean that I was failing to understanding your original point. I was merely providing a different perspective on the situation.

Lifted or Reduced Perma Bans due to Toxicity are extremely uncommon - True Lifted or Reduced Perma Bans overall are not as uncommon - Also True

Now this is just my opinion, but it would appear you may have misinterpreted my original comment. Perhaps, taking it as some kind of attack on your thread. Would that be why you would consider "brutally destroying someone" on the forms? As hilarious as that attempt would be I still don't see why anyone would have felt the need to potentially try that.

Dominick DestineMay 20, 20161 votes

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Now this is just my opinion, but it would appear you may have misinterpreted

That's some nice backpedaling, but it's expected after you got destroyed so thoroughly, gg, it was fun.

HexaDecimelMay 21, 20161 votes

Not sure how that constitutes as backpedaling. I think I have been fairly consistent with everything I have said. However, I can see now that attempting to have a reasonable, mature, and cohesive discussion with you would be utterly pointless. You seem pretty set in your method of ignoring peoples points, including random and pointless statements, and simply claiming superiority in any discussion where you can no longer add meaningful points to. I am not sure if it is just some desperate attempt for gratification, but it comes off as extremely narrow minded and immature.

I do hope you are able to improve your in game behaviour and that the current punishment doesn't escalate into a permanent suspension. Have a good day.

FiruMay 19, 20162 votes

Two things.

Most players don't think Riot's rules are unjust. In fact, Riot's rules are based on numerous player surveys and feedback.
Who said it was Riot's policy to never undo a ban? They've said numerous times (in red posts) that they only undo bans there were incorrectly applied. Apparently, they looked at Dominick Destine's ban and thought it was incorrect to ban him. Thus, they undid it.

FiruMay 19, 20162 votes

Glad to see your ban got overturned. I know it took time and you were getting frustrated but I'm glad it worked out in the end.

DispelleMay 20, 20162 votes

There is no "policy" to not overturn a ban. It's just not a common practice.

pulledchickenMay 19, 20161 votes

wut da hack.

Reaper ReviewMay 19, 20161 votes

You realize all this thread's going to do is make other banned players clamor to have their bans overturned too, right?

Granted, your ban was likely an error considering your general attitude. You don't seem toxic, just a bit snobbish sometimes.

Dominick DestineMay 19, 20162 votes

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You realize all this thread's going to do is make other banned players clamor to have their bans overturned too, right?

It would not be wrong to advocate for one's account if one legitimately believes that a perma-ban was unjust.

Granted, your ban was likely an error considering your general attitude. You don't seem toxic, just a bit snobbish sometimes.

I also believe it was an error. Going from zero to perma-ban was (in my opinion) unreasonable... but I AM toxic. Just not toxic enough (again in my opinion) to skip all punishment tiers straight into perma.

Reaper ReviewMay 19, 20161 votes

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It would not be wrong to advocate for one's account if one legitimately believes that a perma-ban was unjust.

Problem is VERY few perma-bans are unjust. Like you said yourself, an instant feedback ban being overturned is exceptionally rare.

As for skipping the tiers, the only thing that causes that should be racist/homophobic speech or death threats. If you didn't do any of that and still managed to skip 3 tiers, then it most certainly was a mistake.

Dominick DestineMay 19, 20164 votes

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Problem is VERY few perma-bans are unjust. Like you said yourself, an instant feedback ban being overturned is exceptionally rare.

I was almost done responding and then my browser crashed. It's really annoying... anyway short version; if one is truly honest and believes that justice was not served (as I did), it is fair and reasonable to advocate for one's account.

I was permabanned once in early S2. I got many warnings, punishments , emails and fought them, but the final one, the permanent ban I didn't even bother putting in a support ticket. This time (4-5 years later) I 'felt' as if it was a horrible mistake because it came out of nowhere. I had no indication that I was anywhere near a perma-ban.

A lot of people come and complain that their ban was unjust when they very well know that it was not; They get a series of warnings and punishments so they know exactly what's coming but press on with their behavior anyway. That is the difference.

As for skipping the tiers, the only thing that causes that should be racist/homophobic speech or death threats. If you didn't do any of that and still managed to skip 3 tiers, then it most certainly was a mistake.

I very strongly agree.

I don't think it was just , for me to skip multiple tiers straight into two week suspension.... but since it was scaled down from perma, I cannot complain. I am very pleased that they overturned the ban and cannot ask for more than that.

NOTE: I never used racial/homophobic speech or death threats but I did indeed manage to skip 3 tiers.

AramsAreBestMay 19, 20161 votes

What did riot say in the ticket?

Reaper ReviewMay 19, 20161 votes

Unfortunately, my own ban was just and I can't argue against it, so I'm stuck struggling to have fun on a new account while getting absolutely wrecked by the myriad of smurfs the game seems to enjoy throwing me against. (I want to play Singed? Okay, game throws a gold smurf Riven main at me and I die twice within like 3.5 minutes. I decide to play ADC? Enemy ADC is a plat smurf Draven with his gold-ish smurf support duo. Just, why? It's like the game's trying to make me stop playing.)

I'm just tired of being lumped in with all the arrogant banned players who don't try to learn from anything is all. I go to great lengths to reform myself, and I have absolutely nothing to show for it. I continue to struggle to try and enjoy a game I really WANT to play, while the toxic people just quit and go enjoy something else.

That said, I'm glad you got your ban overturned, though. At least you can continue to enjoy the game the way it's supposed to be played.

Dominick DestineMay 19, 20161 votes

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I'm just tired of being lumped in with all the arrogant banned players who don't try to learn from anything is all.

When I thought my account was permabanned, I dusted off an old abandoned account and ran into the same issue.

Lots of smurfs and assholes that certainly behaved far worse than I ever have.... new players have it somewhat rough to be outmatched against such players that love to trash talk.

That said, I'm glad you got your ban overturned, though.

It's appreciated.

scazzmanMay 19, 20161 votes

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Unfortunately, my own ban was just and I can't argue against it, so I'm stuck struggling to have fun on a new account while getting absolutely wrecked by the myriad of smurfs the game seems to enjoy throwing me against. (I want to play Singed? Okay, game throws a gold smurf Riven main at me and I die twice within like 3.5 minutes. I decide to play ADC? Enemy ADC is a plat smurf Draven with his gold-ish smurf support duo. Just, why? It's like the game's trying to make me stop playing.)

I'm just tired of being lumped in with all the arrogant banned players who don't try to learn from anything is all. I go to great lengths to reform myself, and I have absolutely nothing to show for it. I continue to struggle to try and enjoy a game I really WANT to play, while the toxic people just quit and go enjoy something else.

That said, I'm glad you got your ban overturned, though. At least you can continue to enjoy the game the way it's supposed to be played.

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