I got thrown in jail for assault just because I defended myself !!!!!! (The parallels)

Dominick Destine·Mar 18, 2016·49 votes·3,813 views

So I was walking to the store the other day ... and this guy had a shirt on that said "I hate nerds", this personally attacked my self identity and so I was forced to defend my ego from his direct, personal infringement of my being. I went up to him and politely shoved my knuckle into his face... bursting open his lower lip in the process; this caused a small shower of blood splashed across my clothes, which these STUPID BIASED LIARS of the justice system means I am guilty of something.

Anyway long story short; I was punished ! WTF THIS IS THE WORST SYSTEM EVER

Some JERKASSES erven think I should have IGNORED HIS T-SHIRT. What has this world come to when I cannot defend my personal being in this fashion ?

62 Comments

MoesndMar 18, 201643 votes

Feminism in a nutshell

MasterSomethingMar 18, 20168 votes

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Dominick DestineMar 19, 20161 votes

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The saddest part about Feminism is that it started with noble intentions

Except no it didn't.

Feminism was always complete garbage even back to the architects of the ideology (Gloria Steinem, Andrea Dworkin, Betty Friedan and Valerie Solanas).

MasterSomethingMar 19, 20161 votes

If that's true, then I shouldn't be listening to other people in the first place. I still fucking hate it though, it's a dry wish that will never come true.

FortisDominusMar 18, 20165 votes

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Feminism in a nutshell

ahh feminism...

http://dpi.studioxx.org/sites/dpi.1.sxx.kommun-it.org/files/3-whoopwhoop.png

feminists in a nutshell

T RexHasTinyArmsMar 18, 20164 votes

Reason why there aren't more female gamers in a nutshell....

Dominick DestineMar 19, 20162 votes

Except that's not the reason at all.

It has been demonstrated time and again that men have far more innate competitive behavior/drive than women. This goes double for the upper brackets of said drive which are populated entirely by men. That is why women don't play video games, not because "WOMYN CANT HANDLE THEIR FEE FEES" <----- your argument.

T RexHasTinyArmsMar 19, 20162 votes

Actually my argument is that it creates a system in which one gender experiences stress and obstacles that another gender doesn't, and those obstacles force one gender to work more in order to achieve the same results as the other gender. I don't think men would do any better with them, or that it really has much to do with handling your feelings so much as having to juggle more things that you're dealing w/ (ie are you running a race or running a race and juggling at the same time). Maybe I'm oversimplifying though or looking at only one side of the issue in research. What authors/studies are you referring to when you say demonstrated time and again? I'd be really curious to read up a bit and see what I'm missing bc most of what I've seen rules out anything other than socialization and gender norms as primary factors on things like competitive drive. (Unless you're operationalizing competitive as aggressive in which case higher testosterone levels in males may lead to higher "competitive drive" bc of links between testosterone and aggression, but even then there is a confounding variable of socialization and gender norms in terms of how those impulses are expressed; ie internal vs external aggression gender differences)

Dominick DestineMar 19, 20163 votes

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Actually my argument is that it creates a system in which one gender experiences stress and obstacles that another gender doesn't

Alright let's dismantle your incredibly nonsensical argument with a single nonsexual blow; Do you have any evidence to support your claim? The answer is no. It's literally impossible because you presented absolutely nothing substantive, you're just throwing around terms to try to sound like you have a point which might fool a low intelligence target... there's a word for that; Sophistry.

Anyway, is there any evidence to support my claim from the earlier post? Yes. Oodles; Going through neurological, hormonal and even genetic.... it is very well documented that competitive behavior is directly associated with all three and thus, creates a significant gap in the ability/performance of participants when comparing male and female. Remember that MOBAs like LoL are heavily merit-oriented and thus, poor skill players will be less likely to continue playing as opposed to average or high skilled players.

Your basic premise is absolute garbage. "Systemically" and in raw mechanics ; In League of Legends your sex literally does not come into play, ever.

most of what I've seen rules out anything other than socialization and gender norms as primary factors

Did you read those off of the back of a cereal box?

T RexHasTinyArmsMar 19, 20162 votes

So I take it you aren't going to mention any of the documentation you are referring to? There is a ton of bad research on shit (there is an evolutionary psychologist at UT who is really famous and is just laughed at by half the scientific community bc his methodology is basically designed to support his beliefs and his research isn't compelling unless you're leaning toward confirmation bias) so I wanted to look at some stuff you were referring to and see if it was any good. I'd list some articles on behavioral correlation and microaggressions which I think would support the assertion that in making statements like you originally did your reaction to female gamers is most likely going to be different than your reaction to make gamers in a substantive behavioral way, but given your comments so far you seem more interested in ridiculing me than you are in using your brain so I doubt you would read them and I would be wasting my time to look them up. I'll leave you be to down vote me and enjoy your little section of the world which is thankfully far removed from mine (bc in mine you either have a PhD to cite yourself when you talk about something with conviction, or you discuss methodology since a ton of research is done poorly).

Dominick DestineMar 19, 20162 votes

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So I take it you aren't going to mention any of the documentation you are referring to?

Ah good attempt at shifting the burden of proof. Guess what, you made the first claim and thus, you are required to produce substantive evidence before I am required to do the same.

But, I'll give you some leads because you seem to fail to understand; Testosterone related directly to honor, competitive behavior , drive, strength and aggressive tactics. Aggressive traits are traditionally passed on genetically, practical examples exist in the form of violence, sportsmanship and determination. Neurologically is a bit trickier so let's leave that on the backburner.

There is a ton of bad research on shit (there is an evolutionary psychologist

Do you even know what evolutionary psychology is? first it's a pretty weak field but second and most importantly; Even by your own argument; Evolutionary psychology also supports my argument because women never had to compete. The primary form of survival for women was deception, not ability. That's literally one of the core arguments of evolutionary psychology.

at UT who is really famous and is just laughed at by half the scientific

You do realize that psychology is one of the worst medical fields , right? Its results are barely reproducible and highly inconsistent; Psychologists don't even need to go medical school, they're a joke. Even Psychiatry, a far superior field, is not taken anywhere near as seriously as... say, internal medicine.

microaggressions

TROLOLOL. "Microaggressions", what a joke.

I'd call you a troll but I think you are being completely sincere.

you either have a PhD to cite yourself when you talk about something with conviction, or you discuss methodology since a ton of research is done poorly

1- You do not need a PhD to cite yourself. That's absolutenonsense... by the way I am medical professional and I run into that shit all the time; Arguments from authority are almost always a complete joke and are never taken seriously. ("I have a PhD and therefore I am right" <------- Moron). 2- Methodology has nothing to do with qualifications. I'd be willing to bet you don't even know the correct methodological rigor necessary to even perform a study. Have you ever read a study? 3- Yes , a ton of research is done poorly... but the 'research' you're talking about is all done poorly because it's nonsense.

Feminism is always wrong, by definition. Logic and reason cannot co-exist with brainless ideology. One more time; Your sex does not come into play when you play video games on the internet , especially ones like League of Legends. You don't get bonus gold for having a dick.

Anyway, Mr. Curator has said not to talk about ideology here , so after that utter obliteration of your nonsense, I am out of this butchery.

T RexHasTinyArmsMar 19, 20161 votes

I was gonna say you're a med field person who's so uptight about their superiority they can't think of anything out side of it, but rereading this you don't actually mention anything about your back ground. The PhD ref isn't saying it gives you credibility, but if you're citing yourself (ie the research you've done on it) then it's easy to check if they're credible or not bc you just look at their work. The evolutionary psych piece is pointing out issues w/ research that is generally constructed to support a point rather than explore something (look at research done on smoking that supported its safety if you want a different example, maybe I picked a poor example). In the long run though you're right that there isn't really any sense in talking. You acknowledge that you're simplifying "competitive drive" to aggressive impulse related behavior and like I said in my first post, if that's all you mean then testosterone explains the difference and you're entirely right. As for my back ground it's split between ed psych and medical bc I like teaching so thus career in teaching in hospitals (I like optimization problems and teaching is essentially an optimization problem but with harder to pin down variables than simple math problems).

Kei143Mar 18, 201612 votes

where's the part that you spent $20 on a cool shirt in the store?

Rew711Mar 18, 20161 votes

yeah... $20... I did not buy this shirt at JCPenny's...

Arakk01Mar 18, 201611 votes

The problem here is that there is no parallel in league. In League, no matter if the 'jerk' punches you repeatedly (intentional feeding), deafens you with obscene insults (1:1 comparison here), you are game for an equal or greater punishment for yelling "Somebody call the cops!" ([all] Please report this guy, he's a toxic dick and he's ruining our game). The cops will get there, listen to an audio recording, and lock you up right next to that guy- only then to inform you saying the phrase 'call the cops' is illegal in this country. In fact, if you don't have another witness, they might decide the guy beating the shit out of you and screaming insults didn't SAY anything in the list of illegal words- so he's free to go.

That's been my experience with the system.

MrWasjigMar 18, 20163 votes

So basically:

keep your own mouth shut
mute
report
move on

YCitizenSnipsYMar 19, 20163 votes

So basically what you're saying is, if you have the slightest amount of self control you have nothing to worry about.

Ego Sum RedemitMar 19, 20161 votes

THIS. THIS. THIS. LOL

AkeydelMar 19, 20161 votes

You get punished for yelling to five strangers "Call the fire department!" This is a problem if there is no fire. A better solution would be to yell "There is a fire!" and then let the sensible people do what sensible people do. Last I checked saying: "graves is following me around the jungle stealing camps" is not an offense.

Lothàrs EdgeMar 18, 20165 votes

How is that in anyway even remotely close to a "parallel"...?

It would be more like:

___ So I was playing basketball with some friends the other day... and one of their friends whom I haven't met before kept saying that I fkng sucked and that I was a retard or whatnot. I tried to ignore it but he wouldn't stop with the insults. Since we had to keep playing the game, I got fed up at one point and told him to f**k off. ___

Long story short; He was being an asshole And I cursed at him, maybe even several times as the game went on It is... a pretty bad freaking system if you ask me.

RandomoniumMar 18, 20161 votes

Except that the mute system in league basically gives you the option to duct tape his mouth so you don't have to listen to him. If you could do that in real life there be no reason to tell the guy to f**k off, especially if the Gym you were playing at had a very strict no swearing policy and they recorded everything you said.

Lothàrs EdgeMar 18, 20161 votes

Except you can do that just as easily IRL by plugging in some earphones but if you're playing a team game with someone and you're trying to win it, then the situation changes. There would be plenty of reason to put someone in their place if they've crossed the line, a line they wouldn't have crossed to begin with.

RandomoniumMar 18, 20161 votes

Except putting earphones in prevents you from hearing your teammates too. The mute system doesn't do that.

I'm all for putting someone in their place but you have to be especially careful if you're being video taped and audio recorded. Even if some guy is saying horrible stuff to you if you punch him and its on video then you're the one going to jail, not him.

Take for example police and military. Some people will purposely try to antagonize them and secretly video record it. I've seen people in uniform pushed, splat on, screamed at, had food thrown at them, etc and the people in uniform can't retaliate because their position doesn't allow them to stoop to the same level as a normal civilian. Its kind of the same thing in league. You can't stoop to the same level as these toxic people, even if you want to. You have to be the better man and just mute them.

Dominick DestineMar 19, 20161 votes

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Except you can do that just as easily IRL by plugging in some earphones

Try using that argument was justification for loud obscenities in any private establishment.

I'm sure it will work out great.

No flash no lifeMar 18, 20164 votes

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politely shoved my knuckle into his face

Ahahahahaha thanks for the laugh, though I have to deal with ppl's weird looks @ me afterwards.

Putting that aside...you're not thrown in jail for defending yourself, you're thrown in because you took the wrong approach in a way that isn't acceptable. In your example you're supposed to contact authorities - take pictures as evidence if needed - to deal with it legitimately instead of resorting to violence.

Nothing regarding your punishment has been mentioned, so until further details are provided we can't say anything.

Darf RakkiMar 18, 20169 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

MasterSomethingMar 18, 20166 votes

Joke

. . . No Flash No Life's head

IcyPepperMar 18, 20161 votes

...

Honestly I think you're the one who missed his joke.

Even I can tell he's joking.

And I'm stoopid.

MasterSomethingMar 18, 20162 votes

Mind pointing out the joke for me? The 2 paragraphs kill any chance that this is a joke.

IcyPepperMar 18, 20164 votes

I think he's being blatantly oblivious to the joke, in a joke of itself. So oblivious, I can't help but feel like it's a joke.

Like that one guy from the Guardians of the Galaxy film, the comically serious one that would catch a joke before it flew over his head because "[his] reflexes are too quick." But on purpose.

But then again, I just finished my finals. My brain is mush.

lolptwoMar 18, 20164 votes

How is that in anyway even remotely close to a "parallel"...?

It would be more like:

So I was playing basketball with some friends the other day... and one of their friends whom I haven't met before kept saying that I fkng sucked and that I was a retard or whatnot. I tried to ignore it but he wouldn't stop with the insults. Since we had to keep playing the game, I got fed up at one point and told him to f**k off.

Long story short; He was being an asshole And I cursed at him, maybe even several times as the game went on It is... a pretty bad freaking system if you ask me.

Pretty much this. What you did there isn't even remotely close to a parallel it's a complete Strawman Fallacy.

This basketball example is a far better example. The difference being you were thrown out of the game for saying "fuck you" to the person who was **VERBALLY **abusing you all game. While he continued to play. The only difference being, you tend to say "Fuck you" back to several different individuals who berate and abuse you CONSTANTLY every game.

That's an example.

The second you leave the premise of words to violence and League's justice system to IRL justice system you're so far off topic we may as well begin talking about turtles. Thing is though, it's Riot's game and they make the rules, we have no choice but to abide by the rules, even if they are very shitty. So yes ignoring the jackass is always the better option** under riots justice system**.

TNHA BaritoneMar 18, 20162 votes

This Dominick Dick guy is str8 up ignorant. XD

PDE5 InhibMar 19, 20164 votes

Your comparison is rather bad. There are far better examples you could have come up with. Instead, you chose to pick one that is bad and you should feed bad. I mean, why compare physical assault to a shirt? Even comparing physical assault to words would be bad...but this is just horrid.

Pandemic PunchMar 19, 20161 votes

Yep. It was an awful analogy.

Maybe I can help him out a bit...

If I get angry at someone in real life, what is the most aggressive way I can express my violent anger toward them? By trying to physically abuse them.

If I get angry at someone over the internet, what is the most aggressive way I can express my violent anger toward them? Verbal abuse and harassment.

The T-shirt analogy would be closer to someone being offended by someone's username and then raging at them. A better analogy would be that random person immediately getting up in your face and start yelling and swinging at you for an irrational reason, while they are using the most aggressive way to attack someone that is currently available to them.

PDE5 InhibMar 19, 20161 votes

No. People that use the "I was defending myself argument" are saying that someone was harassing them, so they were a dick back. So an analogy would be that someone in real life was harassing you so you were a dick back. Nothing more. And this is typically accepted lol. If you want to use physicality in your analogy, then it would be "he hit me so I defended myself and hit him back"....which is 100% perfectly accepted behavior.

The real analogy of the situation OP is trying to explain is when a football player does something and the person that retaliates to that player gets punished.

FearEngineerMar 18, 20162 votes

I think you have it all wrong.

How about: So I was walking to the store the other day ... and this guy had a shirt on that said "I hate feeders", this personally attacked my self identity and so I was forced to defend my ego from his direct, personal infringement of my being. I called the cops after I left the store, and they later got in touch with my to let me know he had been put in jail, and all was right with the world now.

Or maybe even: As it turns out, when the cops were still on their way, some other bystander actually had the audacity to tell people the shirt was no big deal. Luckily, other onlookers pointed him out to the cops and they were able to arrest him too. Thank god!

KaxiMar 18, 20163 votes

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I think you have it all wrong.

How about: So I was walking to the store the other day ... and this guy had a shirt on that said "I hate feeders", this personally attacked my self identity and so I was forced to defend my ego from his direct, personal infringement of my being. I called the cops after I left the store, and they later got in touch with my to let me know he had been put in jail, and all was right with the world now.

Or maybe even: As it turns out, when the cops were still on their way, some other bystander actually had the audacity to tell people the shirt was no big deal. Luckily, other onlookers pointed him out to the cops and they were able to arrest him too. Thank god!

Real talk? This is my experience.

Back to your regularly scheduled joke thread.

love godMar 18, 20162 votes

This might get taken down by the way, you should post this in Memes and Games instead because Riot needs to take every post seriously that isn't there.

Tyrone LannisterMar 18, 20162 votes

LOLOLOLOLOL 😂

ModMod CuratorMar 19, 20162 votes

If you want to talk about the current League behavioral systems here, that is fine. However, social issue discussions are not acceptable on the Boards and will be removed. There are other, much better, places to have those discussions than here.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Dominick DestineMar 19, 20162 votes

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If you want to talk about the current League behavioral systems here, that is fine. However, social issue discussions are not acceptable on the Boards and will be removed. There are other, much better, places to have those discussions than here.

Sure but to be fair, I did not bring up any social issue discussions, it was others.

Pandemic PunchMar 19, 20161 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

TroxicaleMar 18, 20161 votes

I get the joke, but I thought it would be different since you said "assault"

cuddlykitten4Mar 18, 20161 votes

You can beat up that guy, but you can't take the cops when they come? What kind of degenerate are you? For shame....for shame......

PledgieMar 18, 20161 votes

i got clickb8ed so hard

Ada WongMar 18, 20161 votes

Because of the U.S Constitution I believe a person can wear a shirt that says "F*** You" on it and get away with it right?

The problem here is obviously your not allowed to do this, although the Law is only broken if you get caught as I said in another post like this so don't get caught at whatever it is you are doing illegal.

For example you can "Stare at a person" legally I think in a public place until they come up and start talking trash to you, then punch you, then if you end up defending yourself you are more-less at a legal stand-point especially if you do it in front of a security camera where there is evidence recorded.

For example a Thief breaking into a persons house sometimes the city Laws say you are not allowed to use lethal force however...

Within the justice system. . If you feel your life is in danger and you do then it could be gotten off with. . If that thief slips and falls like this guy I will show in the video here then you won't really get in trouble, but you still have to call 911 to be legal about it but he got what he deserved, so applying this of what could happen at home if a thief tries to take something heavy and fall getting away or something not your problem or fault.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg6epfr73vA

There are LOOP - Holes in the justice system, and obviously its best never to break the Law to begin with, but just don't do anything stupid.

I actually had a few drunk people in the past end up wandering on my property stupidly and fall in a bunch of cactus before, well deserved not to mention trying to get away just to have 4 squad cars right in the back waiting for them, and legally its not my fault, and trust me falling into cactus hurts like a mother...

You see if I actually wanted to I could have gotten them for property damages too with the minor damage done, but I felt justice was already served.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ZC6w8lFak

T RexHasTinyArmsMar 19, 20161 votes

Yeah, the thing is that league isn't a public space. It's riot's space on their servers. It's more like wearing a shirt that says "fuck you" into a store. The store owner can tell you to change your shirt or you are not allowed to be in the store and that's completely legal. Also legal technicalities get super specific in so many ways it is weird (like in Texas you actually can claim castle laws if someone gives you permission to stay there, so if I was sleeping at someone's place with their permission, and someone breaks in I am covered by castle laws if I shoot he burglar even if the home owner would not condone lethal force against a robber). You probably can stare at someone in a public space, but if they move and you continue to do so there are a lot of oddities that probably shift it from staring to harassment or something so it really depends on how people react as much as what your behavior is.

TNHA BaritoneMar 18, 20161 votes

Real Life = / = Game Where there's a set rule that forbids toxic behavior.

Rebel 986Mar 19, 20161 votes

Its battery.. Not assault

GamblerOfLivesMar 19, 20161 votes

imagine this guy talking to his mom

Mom: what did you do son

You: nothing:|, idk why they want to arrest me

Mom:poor thing. mom will take care of you honey

You:thx mom

Mom: Officer, what did he did wrong?

Police:what do you mean? did he not told you?

Mom:no:|

Police: boy o boy. what he did is unbelievable. He is lucky he didn;t get the death sentence

Mom:oh no, my sweet sweet child

Police: your sweet sweet child? if you knew what he did, you wouldn;t call him that. As a matter of fact. I got to ask myself. Why does he have such a poor education?

Mom:excuse me? how dare you talk like that about my boy?

Police: You don;t know the details about this. About what he did.

Mom: well, what did he do?

Police: it will come as shock. Better sit down madam.

(mom sits down)

Police:he was playing league of legends

Mom: yes, as he usually does

Police: and he called someone NOOB

Mom: omg. Did you really said that Jymmy(his name is jymmy)?

Jymmy: yes, but

Mom: no, no buts. can;t believe you will embarass me like that. When my friends will ask me how is your son. What should i tell them?

Jymmy started crying: sry mommy.