So We All Know KYS Is NOT Tolerated But...

Woodakoodashooda·Jul 4, 2018·19 votes·10,944 views

What about someone threatening to kill themselves? Because I just ran into that today.

Look, folks, whatever real life issues you have has absolutely nothing to do with me or your allies unless you just happen to be IRL friends with one or more of your allies. And if you happen to actually be on the verge of committing self harm or even suicide over something that happened in a video game then you NEED to seek outside help.

The community of league is NOT your support or therapy group and every one of us has our own shit to deal with without some random stranger tossing their baggage onto our monitors.

72 Comments

TrulyBlandJul 4, 201816 votes

Outside help is the rational choice here… problem being that most suicidal people aren't exactly known for their rational choices.

Don't get me wrong, their happiness is not your responsibility and to drop this kind of bomb at random strangers online is selfish, bordering on emotional abuse (depending on context). But I think it's important to keep in mind that they likely have no conscious intent to make you feel bad or guilty.

If you want to be super extra nice, tell them they should probably talk to somebody about these things if they're serious, and leave it at that. Mute them if you have to.

But most importantly, just like when encountering feeders and ragers: Move on. The longer you let your thoughts linger such incidents the more it will wear you down... cases like these presumably much more than any feeder or rager ever could.

TheEvilQueen135Jul 4, 20188 votes

it should be allowed...or at least not "punishable" but still reportable in the sense that you let the system know "hey, this person needs help" and maybe that could trigger an email with resources for them, like the number for the suicide prevention hotline. you know an email that says we take talk about suicide seriously and here is a number to call if you need to talk to someone...

i agree that if someone wants to kill themselves over a video game or if a video game puts them over the edge then they def need outside help.

FestingJul 4, 20186 votes

There's billions of people on Earth, lols. Who cares.

VoldymortJul 4, 201815 votes

Who cares.

people with empathy. you've probably met a few on your journey

FestingJul 4, 20183 votes

"If a head is cut off, two more shall take its place".

ZackTheWaffleManJul 4, 20187 votes

that's not how human biology works

RxO CarmadaJul 4, 20181 votes

I would hope not since it's not biology, I think the word you're looking for here is neuroscience.

ZackTheWaffleManJul 4, 20181 votes

no it's biology

Arcane Blue BoiJul 4, 20185 votes

yes it is trust me im a bioligist, i once cut my head and now im in a vicious cicle with already 912 heads and counting

AneirinJul 4, 20182 votes

Sounds like you're ahead of the curve

remakoroJul 4, 20181 votes

you are not from NA or even EUW. dont say such silly things.

VoldymortJul 4, 20181 votes

I have accounts on all 3

[slayer-jinx-catface]

RallerenPJul 4, 20185 votes

I would say that encouraging someone to kill themselves is waaaaaay worse than someone threathening to kill themselves.

That person isn't offending anyone, they're asking for help. Obviously, you're in no way obligated to help them, and you're not a bad person for not doing so. But someone else might be willing and able to help, so I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed.

It's not like it's hurting you that much, and you can just mute them if you don't feel like dealing with them, and that totally fine.

FestingJul 4, 20185 votes

Less talk, more action. If they wanted to kill themselves they would do it without fail. When they just talk about it all it looks like is a desperate and pathetic plea for some attention.

RallerenPJul 4, 201812 votes

Less talk, more action. If they wanted to kill themselves they would do it without fail.

You clearly don't know anything about suicide then. It's not worth getting into this disussion, all I can say is that you don't have to help people calling out for help, but you don't have the right to punish them either.

FestingJul 4, 20181 votes

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VoldymortJul 4, 20183 votes

just like you're doing right now

TrulyBlandJul 4, 20183 votes

I suppose it depends on the exact context. Threatening self harm can be a textbook example of emotional abuse.

I mean, as an extreme example, which likely never has happened in the history of LoL: "Dude, if you steal my blue one more time I'm going to kill myself in rl"

I can easily see why such a statement could be reportable in principle.

Absolutely agree that encouraging suicide is way worse than threatening suicide though.

ModPeriscopeJul 4, 20184 votes

It's unlikely to be treated the same way, but no, I don't think that belongs in League either.

BLACK REALM GODJul 4, 20184 votes

you're talking about

"KMS" right?

yeah that's still negative behavior and report worthy.

zero tolerance? not completely.

this is either someone extremely depressed or someone seeking attention.

either way it's a difficult issue. so riot tends to make them unable to talk for a while. riot's not a therapist. they're a video game company. and negative behavior like that whether it's childish or misguided still turns new and old consumers away. it goes up the escalation program like any other ban.

NaymlissJul 5, 20181 votes

How is kms bad? Misplaying something then saying "kms" or something along those lines is nothing bad at all.

BLACK REALM GODJul 5, 20181 votes

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How is kms bad? Misplaying something then saying "kms" or something along those lines is nothing bad at all.

...ha. hahahahahahahahahahaha.

you've clearly never had to experience cleaning up the blood and brain matter after a suicide of your relative.

you clearly dont value human life.

you clearly have no clue that people who say theyre going to kill themselves sometimes do

you clearly dont realize that people like you and me at this very moment are not joking when they tell others they want to die

you clearly cant grasp at this idea of calling out faults is negative behavior even if it's your own because that's just spotlighting

you clearly undermine the fear and horror that a lot of people feel when you put "KMS" into chat

and

you clearly dont know who you're talking to. i am the one who knocks. [sg-miss-fortune]

good humor is good humor. learn to differentiate good humor from failed attempts to make people laugh by making them uncomfortable. complaining and shaming have never been accepted on league as far as im aware. what purpose does typing "KMS" into chat have? let's go through the list

you messed up. you feel guilty. typity type type
you are annoyed at your teammates. typity type type
you hate your life and are suicidal. typity type type
you know it's colorful language and use it to get noticed. type type typity type type

not one of those reasons is a good reason. if you think you have a good reason let me hear it.

NaymlissJul 5, 20181 votes

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BLACK REALM GODJul 5, 20181 votes

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I really do love how you assume all these things about me. And sure, I've never had to clean up brain matter, I've had to call 911 because my friend attempted suicide by overdose.

Context matters. If someone says omgf lmao kms after they misplay hard, they're not saying that they're going to kill themselves, in the same way that someone saying go f yourself doesn't mean literally go out and f yourself. Just as a streamer who says "wow I'm trolling" after they miss a few cs isn't actually trolling.

However, saying something along the lines of "Life is too painful, I want to kms", that is completely different.

I tend to say extremely self deprecating jokes and say things like kms( to friends, not in league chat) after I make minor mistakes. Saying that sort of thing has helped me personally put the idea of suicide completely out of my head as an option even as I go through extreme periods of depression. It is probably one of the reasons I'm alive and able to type this right now. A few of my friends feel the exact same way, even those who have dealt with the suicide of family.

it wasnt a post directed towards you. the joke went over your head. it's cool. i didnt watch breaking bad either.

edit

also. context doesnt matter over text. sorry. face to face? maybe. not over text.

Tuition FeeJul 4, 20183 votes

I have a friend who constantly rants about how badly the game makes him want to kill himself whenever he starts losing. He starts going into a long rant in all chat about how he wished he could leave the game because of how suicidal it was making him, but can't, because leaver buster would make him even more suicidal. This makes me believe that some of these people threatening to kill themselves are actually just angry at the game, but are addicted to it and can't quit, just like drugs. As such, they only vent their frustration in game, where their emotions are affected the most.

VoldymortJul 4, 20182 votes

what did he say?

ArammusJul 4, 20182 votes

kys is not a 0 tolerance phrase on euw anymore. idk why but it isnt. it literally happened to me, i posted it on the boards, kinda linked the guys profile and noone so far had an explanation as to why he isnt banned. i even showed the screen i took.

"kys you fucking niggger" as he wrote is not a 0 tolerance thing anymore on euw.

sad but oh well.

TrulyBlandJul 4, 20182 votes

Kys is a Danish word, so if I had to take a guess, they probably had too many false positives on the EU servers due to that.

VoldymortJul 4, 20183 votes

literally nobody uses "kys" because it's a danish word

just like nobody uses "fa ggot" to refer to a bundle of sticks

ArammusJul 4, 20181 votes

TrulyBlandJul 4, 20182 votes

As said, was just a guess.

I could see somebody saying something along the lines of "I could kiss you" to somebody that just saved their ass. Not a native speaker, so not sure how exactly that would translate into Danish, and whether it would include the word.

Bottom line is that Riot, despite popular opinion, actually has a pretty strict philosophy when it comes to false positives. So I think it's not that farfetched to believe that a couple of Danes could trigger the system often enough (possibly intentionally to test it) for them to decide to remove 'kys' from the zero tolerance list.

VoldymortJul 4, 20181 votes

or maybe it's a trap... so that riot can then ban people in waves and be like "kys never stopped being 0 tolerance. we don't know what you're talking about"

Jerry SeinfeIdJul 4, 20182 votes

it's not, only in NA.

StonePlatypusJul 5, 20181 votes

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kys is not a 0 tolerance phrase on euw anymore. idk why but it isnt. it literally happened to me, i posted it on the boards, kinda linked the guys profile and noone so far had an explanation as to why he isnt banned. i even showed the screen i took.

"kys you fucking niggger" as he wrote is not a 0 tolerance thing anymore on euw.

sad but oh well.

Yeah. It is't in NA either. At least for the N word. Reported several and none of them were punished. Apparently you can say it in game without any consequences.

ΦmalphintoΦJul 4, 20182 votes

There is no one in the world gonna harm himself for a video game.

Stop dreaming pls, Downvoted no sense thread.

Eternal TormentJul 5, 20182 votes

You've never been to the CoD or GTA community have you?

GTA 5 on it's early release days suffered a massive scandal because someone who came in too late and missed the available stock pile for the game ran out to murder one of the customers that got it just so he could own one cd to play.

And CoD just this previous new years eve made a new record for most toxic and extreme community ever, one dude tried to swat the opposite player for a 1.50 dollars bet in a 1v1 but ended up calling the swat team to the wrong house. While celebrating new year, the husband and father of multiple children was shot in his home where the whole family heard it, and likely saw it.

People aren't afraid to commit homicides over games, suicides are really not even that special anymore in comparison.

TL:DR, people did worse over games, suicide is possible and it does happen. Please don't be so ignorant over the topic. Human desperacy has no such thing like common sense or a line not to overstep.

ΦmalphintoΦJul 5, 20181 votes

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TL:DR, people did worse over games, suicide is possible and it does happen. Please don't be so ignorant over the topic. Human desperacy has no such thing like common sense or a line not to overstep.

ok i over extend it i understand and it might happen.

but please lets be true, the amount of people are doing this are almost none exist + if anyone did this (over) a game really have a disease (outside the game already) if his life is otherwise ok, or acceptable, he wouldnt ever do this for a game.

maybe they can outraged smash stuff, <-- which i was gonna say its ok thread (This Stuff Happens Alot) outraged people smashing stuffs etc.

i just found the OP over extend it, idk maybe you guys care too much about the people that are (gone) already, and they never come back in this life, (yeah ofc after life) also we are all going to die in a time.

im not like saying i don't care for these people, okay i care for them, but i didnt even knew / saw / or talk to them before. Why the hell i would give a fuck about it :).

That is all and my point, thanks for your reply though :).

Jerry SeinfeIdJul 4, 20181 votes

smh kms.

no srsly, if that shit's gotta be bannable, just remove chat already.

Dr BirdieJul 5, 20181 votes

Are you asking for it to be banneable when someone calls out for help in this way? If so, keep your opinions to yourself because you obviously have no idea what mental illness is like.

WoodakoodashoodaJul 5, 20181 votes

I personally suffer from addictive personality, manic depression, anger management issues, obsessive compulsive disorder, and am a borderline alcoholic and the only thing keeping me from going full blown alcoholic is owed to 2 things.

I almost died from alcohol poisoning at the age of 18 after having consumed an entire bottle of tequila.
My low tolerance allows me to enjoy a buzz from just a single bottle of beer so that I can keep myself under control with only two beers a day, the second beer being the only thing I've access to that pacifies me enough to be able to sleep.

Dr BirdieJul 5, 20181 votes

If you understand how mental illness works, how can you possibly call for people to be punished for not knowing how to ask for help properly.

WoodakoodashoodaJul 5, 20181 votes

I believe someone else summed up my current thoughts on the matter accurately.

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it should be allowed...or at least not "punishable" but still reportable in the sense that you let the system know "hey, this person needs help" and maybe that could trigger an email with resources for them, like the number for the suicide prevention hotline. you know an email that says we take talk about suicide seriously and here is a number to call if you need to talk to someone...

i agree that if someone wants to kill themselves over a video game or if a video game puts them over the edge then they def need outside help.

Dr BirdieJul 5, 20181 votes

My apologies for misunderstanding your original post, however, you should watch your wording as it sounded like you wanted it to be banneable.

AsudurgaJul 5, 20181 votes

Quite simply it should not be a bannable offence for someone to say they want to kill or harm themselves but it should be treated with the same severity as someone saying "kys" but also treated with more care. If someone you feel genuinely has that feeling file a report and explain in the desc box in clear detail and if you have sufficient video or pictures send a support ticket explaining things there and hope things can only go uphill for the person feeling this way.

Shit happens in people's lives that we may or not know about that could drive them to such lengths. So every little bit helps.

MyrmironJul 5, 20181 votes

Nah dude I'll just bury the bad thoughts deep inside me where no one can see them. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

ƒrostγJul 5, 20181 votes

It was most likely a 12 year old kid. Someone who has depression or serious real life issues would't brag about it in an online game.

NaymlissJul 5, 20181 votes

I don't think anyone brags about it...

La Belle SauvageJul 5, 20181 votes

If I read such a comment I typically tell them to seek help and paste a prevention website. If the persist, I refer back to the website and mute them.

The whole "with without some random stranger tossing their baggage onto our monitors." If you truly feel that way than why don't you mute all, since you're unable to control what some one may post?