What's your opinion on towers right now

Actually, SR tower for nexus/inhib should be replaced with 3v3 nexus/inhib tower, it that map they feel powerfull enough to be a threat without being unkillable with proper teamplay

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Caveat: I don't design anything at all, I just like playing League of Legends.

Turret targeting is something that might be a point of improvement, but what would that look like? Clearly turrets should not prioritize champions, or pushing lanes becomes extremely difficult. I'm not a fan of the %hp idea, because it makes tanks less relevant, and they already struggle as a class with shifts in the meta.

What are some examples of how turret aggro should work better? Here's my assumptions:

• The tower shouldn't switch targets if it's already hitting a champ.
• The tower should prioritize champions only when there are no minions/pets, and only when they deal damage to friendly champions.
• Tower aggro rules should be easy to understand and consistent. (e.g. doing damage to an enemy vs. hitting an enemy with non-damaging cc - either damage should trigger aggro, or any ability/damage should trigger aggro. Imo we should maintain the current functionality).
• Tower attack rate should be consistent (no tower autoattack reset on champ aggro).
• Towers shouldn't "cheat" against champion abilities (i.e. they shouldn't deal damage through , shouldn't ignore untargetability.

Under that set of assumptions, the improvements to tower AI that would make sense in my mind would be: _A. Towers do not drop aggro when champions become untargetable. _

This could help to prevent certain champions from being really high-tier tower divers. They don't continue dealing damage, but rappel would need to take her out of tower range to prevent her from taking further damage after she lands.

The problem with this would be that it allows extended tower dives in a different way: aggros enemy champ under tower with no minions, joins him. is taking tower damage, so he uses E to survive while continues dealing damage. Because tower aggro stays on him through untargetability now, does not take tower damage or aggro. Once lands, he has time to Q before using to dodge the next shot, and he still has tower aggro so still takes no damage. Finally, flashes out of tower range as finishes the kill, never having taken damage from the turret. The end result is 2-4 less tower shots fired at enemy champs during the dive than before, and gets to dive a tower for about 6 seconds and only take 2 tower shots at most, depending on how good his timing is. Personally, I think this would just exacerbate the problem.

B. Towers aggro enemy champions that are in their attack range when a friendly champion is attacked from outside their range.

This could actually be pretty helpful to prevent those weird scenarios where the friendly champ is far enough out of range that the tower keeps hitting minions, but I don't know how much it would do to prevent tower dives.

While I think #B could be a good improvement, I don't think it will do what a lot of you want, which is to make towers super threatening.

Towers should be something that inhibit diving and create a fallback for the defending team, but they should not be so powerful that a team cannot choose to take the risk of tower aggro to secure an objective/kill. I don't think we could bump up their damage without having a negative impact in that regard.

Making them target those champs properly is the lowest thing on my list of "things towers need to not be useless". They need HUGELY increased damage or attack speed against tanks. They are pretty towers past level 9 for almost 40 champions. These champs don't just dive. They tank the tower and kill it without repercussion.

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How about increasing turret range to up to 50-75% more once the turret targets a champion for whatever reason, so that 'getting out' implies more than taking three steps and a single hit?

The reason I'd also argue for %health TRUE damage (in reasonable amounts mind you) is that it makes the time you have under turret limited and steady across the game. You don't get to that point where towers become .05 of a champion's worth because the tank is built up and just holds the aggro while your ally gets murdered pretty much retaliation-free.

As far as it's impacts on tanks would feel, tanks right now already feel too weak especially in the jungle imo, with the much more common Armor Pen stats making life for tanks much harder as early assassins can effectively kill them, at least early. And the fact that they're now efficiently countered by the Last Whisper upgrades late game, which is fine to an extent.

Also, one reason why people get majorly ticked at the base turrets is because they can't even keep up with an ADC's ability to self heal half the time once late game hits, not to mention tanks.

The one thing i'd remove from current turret behavior is how they react to items like Sunfire's Cape damage to champions which can draw aggro 'for no reason' and be frustrating. Items only mind you. No sense in letting someone like Mundo or Shyvana kill people by just walking around under turret with their AoE damage.

Glad you mentioned B, that's one of the most frustrating things about turrets poor targeting AI.

If we're talking solely targeting AI maybe they should have a sort of 'aggro' bar that causes them to always target champions until the fight actually stops. That way in your example if Fizz jumps then it will immediately retarget him when he drops back down (assuming it didn't switch to another champion).

Having turrets commit to an attack even if the enemy goes out of range would be good too, no different to the Dragon change from way back when (remember the silliness of Dragon aggro juggling?) lol.

in your elise fizz example, if the damage keeps ramping on fizz then he still takes meaningful damage unless he only "tanks" two shots by dodging them with his pole and zhonyas. In the current situation between fizz pole, elise rappel, fizz zhonyas, the fourth turret shot only hits as hard as the first one should have. Even if the shots are dodged the damage needs to keep ramping up because the damage ramping is reset every time it switches champions and that leads to a situation where the 5th and 6th turret shots during a dive feel like they do no damage because the ramping keeps getting reset. If i survive a dive long enough for my turret to take 6 shots at the enemies one of them should be dead.