The fairness of basing Rank on games that include 4v5's?
I don't normally clammer for red posts. I'd appreciate if someone could just link me a simirecent post.
Lost my last series for this reason despite myself (top) and mid getting fed.
redniwediS1 votesFairness isn't based on 5v5 games where everyone is of a similar skill. Fairness is that we all have to deal with the same problems when climbing the ladder. Everyone deals with trolls, afks, DCs, and the like.
Everyone dealing with the same nonsense is the very essence of what is fair.
Space Bum2 votesI've talked about this level of fairness in another long post but I'll give you the short and sweet.
An average by definition does not reveal deviations.
order of occurrence is key due to the existence of series and promos. If they did not exist I would accept your argument. Players with the same number of afk games may have a different experiences because one caused a promo loss and the other was not during promos.
redniwediS1 votesIs fairness giving everyone the exact same experience, or setting up an environment capable of giving it? I do not see promo and series games as being a problem to this, since the players themselves will be adding too many variables for Riot to reasonably give everyone a similar experience in the long run.
However I'll concede to your other point.
Cindikle1 votesReally isn't much to say. Unless you can think of a fool proof system with no room for abuse.
Best they can do is balance the punishments the best they can.
Best I can think of is adding a system that will allow another player to joint he game for that champion. With the mastery system it can find similarly skilled players.
These players will not lose LP if the game is a loss but can gain for the win.
Even then this is abuseable if the player to joins is a troll. Which I guess allowing the team to vote the extra person out could help that. Chance of two trolls at once can't be common.
Top it off this extra person gain 2x IP for winning and 1.5x IP for a loss.
Duke Anax1 votesAbuse would be minimal, because those that use it would be swiftly banned
Space Bum1 votesI'll give you a scenario.
Player X Leaves the game and is punished with a normal LP Loss + (normal loss) x 4/2. Taking 1/2 the LP loss from remaining players. How do you turn that kind of loss into an exploitation?
Cindikle1 votesPlayer A is Canadian. Player A is at 1LP. Game is a loss for sure. Player A disconnects. Player A still only loses 1LP.
Player B is not Canadian Player B is at 1LP Player B is a troll Game is a win for sure Player B disconnects Player B only losing 1 LP.
Player C might be Canadian, but is irreverent in this scenario. Player C is at 99LP Player C's power just went out. Not by the weather or something that he could of seen coming. Player C now loses 60+LP.
Player D just put his kids in bed and finally gets to play Player D's kid faked it and started jumping on the bed. Player D's kid broke their arm after falling off. Player D rushes kid to hospital. Player D shouldn't have to worry about losing extra LP, real life come first every time.
Player E is in a game, playing poorly. Player E's team is tilting. But the game is not yet a loss. Player E's team starts flaming and raging at player E to get him to leave the game so they don't take the LP loss for "his mistakes". League becomes more toxic.
Those are the 5 I can come up with on the top of my head. I wont same I'm the most crafty guy. I'm sure someone out there can find far worse cases of this system.
Wanting justice is one thing. But adding systems that only bring more problems to replace the old ones are not solutions. Even more so if they put people at risk when real life gets in the way.
Space Bum1 votesNone of those are exploitations (an exploitation denotes that it could give you an advantage) . You could add a buffer for players that are below a certain threshold that may cause them to be demoted if their LP is at a certain level when the DC occurs.
As for people with real world circumstances. Riot has already stated that they will not attempt to distinguish between intentional and unintentional.
If you have a real world emergency come up (as someone who has a child) a "video game" should not be on your list of priorities, if it is you have bigger problems and should probably take a step back and reassess what is important in your life before you screw it up. (ie the several cases of child neglect that have been linked to people with video game addictions .)