Leaver Buster is a bad system

Stacona·Nov 14, 2014·18 votes·7,027 views

Please, Riot, do NOT implement Leaver Buster, this system needs to be removed completely. Automated punishment is just a bad idea because will only punish the majourity of players that have toasters and wal-mart internet. Without players playing you don't get money. Without money League of Legends and Riot Games goes bankrupt. The people you want to get punished by leaver buster will never get punished by it; where as the innocent people will get punished - Leaver Buster is a flawed system, always has been, always will be.

69 Comments

Matthias9119Nov 14, 20144 votes

LB has enough lenience that the vast majority of players never have an issue with it.

If you're leaving games often enough to get LB bans, you are leaving a lot of games. If you're leaving that many games due to technical issues, you need to sort those out if you want to play League in modes with matchmaking.

MattZeeXNov 14, 20142 votes

Even if I dc for 5 minutes and reconnect and play 45 minutes of the game, I still get banned. I was in a ranked game and that very above thing happened. I made the game winning hook (I was playing Thresh) and then I was banned :(

StaconaNov 14, 20141 votes

Leaver Buster will never ban the players that people want to get banned- it will only ban people that either unaware of leaver buster or have no control over things, not people who intentionally do it on purpose. This is exactly how speed cams work, speed only catch people who do not know about them, aka people who do not live in that city to get money out of them, it will never actually catch the speeders just the people who do not know the speed limits of the city

Matthias9119Nov 14, 20142 votes

LeaverBuster bans players who DC or AFK at what Riot has judged to be an unacceptably high rate. If you intentionally DC or AFK very often at all you start getting rapidly escalating bans. There's no really good way to evade it -- doing things like running in circles around your spawn does not prevent it from flagging you as AFK.

So I don't really understand your criticism. You might argue that it has too much collateral damage, but anyone who DCs frequently gets banned.

TrinityunicornNov 14, 20143 votes

Well don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, it might need tweaking. I don't know the incidence of how many are getting hit by it or what their circumstances are. I do know that its way more important in a ranked game to not have disconnect problems. I also realize that if the server has problems or the ddosing or the patches are causing problems, then a lot of people if its set too strict could be punished and caught up in their final tally/min/max number of occurances.

I've had computer problems with dc's but never played ranked and really when it was happening did not want to even go into a normal game because I would be so far behind when I got back in. I've since gotten a new computer and a bit better <not a lot> internet connection but I've still had disconnects and its not always been because of my equipment.

I think if you get picked up by the system and there is something wrong with it, you need to provide feedback, it will soon show whether its accurate or not.

StaconaNov 14, 20143 votes

You don't need even a tenth of a brain to avoid getting not busted by Leaver Buster, only people that do not deserve punishment will get punished - i have played thousands of games from early season 1 to now [almost season 5] and you know how many people have intentionally left my games? it is ONE only ONE person out of over 10,000 people intentionally left- sure i had 4v5s before and they suck and had 5v4s as well but they really do not happen that often... So when people say "every game people always leave my game" that it is officially that person being toxic or more specifically bullying and/or flaming the person to the point to that person does not want to play the game anymore --- so the solution is not punishing a leaver but punishing the 'toxic' players that are making people leave - because the rage quit percentage for league of legends is so dam low, and the rage quitters that get banned by leaver buster is 0 [zero] since anyone can out smart an automatic system, so an automatic system will only punish those that do not deserve it- as i said, leaver buster works like speed traps, it punishes the unaware and/or innocent and the guilty party gets away scot free because they know where the speed traps are at and abuse them

VinciusNov 14, 20143 votes

You played this game for 4 seasons and only 1 person left intentionally? No one is going to believe that.

TrinityunicornNov 14, 20141 votes

You don't need even a tenth of a brain to avoid getting not busted by Leaver Buster, only people that do not deserve punishment will get punished - i have played thousands of games from early season 1 to now [almost season 5] and you know how many people have intentionally left my games? it is ONE only ONE person out of over 10,000 people intentionally left- sure i had 4v5s before and they suck and had 5v4s as well but they really do not happen that often... So when people say "every game people always leave my game" that it is officially that person being toxic or more specifically bullying and/or flaming the person to the point to that person does not want to play the game anymore --- so the solution is not punishing a leaver but punishing the 'toxic' players that are making people leave - because the rage quit percentage for league of legends is so dam low, and the rage quitters that get banned by leaver buster is 0 [zero] since anyone can out smart an automatic system, so an automatic system will only punish those that do not deserve it- as i said, leaver buster works like speed traps, it punishes the unaware and/or innocent and the guilty party gets away scot free because they know where the speed traps are at and abuse them

tbh, I just don't know, they're implementing changes and I'm not having the computer problems that I was, however this raises my eyebrows:

MattZeeX (NA) - about 3 hours ago Even if I dc for 5 minutes and reconnect and play 45 minutes of the game, I still get banned. I was in a ranked game and that very above thing happened. I made the game winning hook (I was playing Thresh) and then I was banned :(

If you have never had but one person leave intentionally, then I'd say you are in the minority because I've seen several do it. I don't always know if its intentional or not but sometimes you know they just rage quit. Someone steals a kill, they rage quit. Some for whatever reason never show up. People get ideas in their heads true or untrue <happens to all of us through assumptions> that are just plain wrong sometimes. I try not to do that and I try not to assume but still I do it too!

The system used to warn you, the fact that I've gotten a warning alarmed me! I don't dc on purpose. I have dc'd due to lag spikes, internet failures, crappy computer, and riot having problems. <an aside.........and its always at the WRONG moment! :-)> I don't think most people leave, although people can be toxic enough to make things very miserable if you stay.

All I'm thinking is that it could need adjustments, I'm glad they're trying, not everything they try is gonna work perfectly, but I will give Riot credit for trying.

JubbinautNov 14, 20142 votes

So, since Leaverbuster detects:

Any disconnection longer than a couple of minutes,
Any passive idling (circling/pacing/dancing in fountain), and
AFK farming,

I'd like to know exactly how you'd think to outsmart it. Because, basically, Leaverbuster (as it was implemented back in... 2010?) detects anything other than actually playing as being afk.

So please enlighten me as to how one would go about outsmarting Leaverbuster.

And then maybe you can explain to me why so many people failed to outsmart it so miserably for so long.

D0nCNov 14, 20144 votes

So, since Leaverbuster detects:

Any disconnection longer than a couple of minutes,

Any passive idling (circling/pacing/dancing in fountain), and

AFK farming,

I'd like to know exactly how you'd think to outsmart it. Because, basically, Leaverbuster (as it was implemented back in... 2010?) detects anything other than actually playing as being afk.

So please enlighten me as to how one would go about outsmarting Leaverbuster.

And then maybe you can explain to me why so many people failed to outsmart it so miserably for so long.

The leave buster only marks you every 5 minutes of idling, this can be avoided by attacking mob on the jungle with a script.

There, system exploited.

And that is just one method.

JubbinautNov 14, 20143 votes

So what you're saying is that afk farming will allow you to avoid being detected by a system that detects afk farming?

Rammus : Ok.

D0nCNov 14, 20141 votes

So what you're saying is that afk farming will allow you to avoid being detected by a system that detects afk farming?

: Ok.

Think about it, if the system were to mark you for killing mob on the jungle for too long, all jungles would stack leaver marks.

Another method I was going to tests, teleporting into a mob currently under enemy attack, attacking a champion and dying.

Another reset for the leave buster.

Understand that automated system are exploitable crap, always have been through out history.

Where does the leave buster do his actual job?

When someone leaves a game.

When someone just stands still at the spawn.

That's it, finite.

JubbinautNov 14, 20142 votes

There's actually a lot of additional data that can be combined with "killing mob on the jungle for too long" to recognize whether a player is actually taking part or not.

I imagine teleporting around to enemy champions and dying would be a way to avoid Leaverbuster, but it would also be reportable as trolling (if not intentional feeding), and punishable there.

Leaverbuster is not the be-all, end-all of punishment systems. It's the system designed to punish players who leave or afk in games. If you're taking part (even in a negative sense), then obviously Leaverbuster is going to ignore you, because you haven't left, and you aren't afk!

But that doesn't mean that those actions won't bring you to the attention of the other punishment systems.

StaconaNov 14, 20141 votes

then every udyr and yi player would have been perma banned a long time ago, and yet people still play udyr and yi

JubbinautNov 14, 20142 votes

Because... what? Udyr and Yi don't take part in the game? They don't show their faces for 20 minutes? Don't clear waves, don't gank, don't split-push and take towers?

You're clearly misunderstanding my statement and my point. The question is whether or not you're doing so intentionally.

StaconaNov 14, 20141 votes

udyr and yi type players do nothing but afk farm, and you just said afk farming gets banned so udyr and yi players shouldnt exist

JubbinautNov 14, 20141 votes

Ah. I see now. It's intentional. Okay. Well, let's make this nice and clear for other readers:

If Master Yi ganks a lane and kills a champion, then he's not afk farming. If Udyr split-pushes and tears down 2 towers, then he's not afk farming. If Master Yi helps you wave-clear to put some damage on a tower, then he's not afk farming.

troll69420Nov 26, 20142 votes

Do not forget it loves to target people who's games crash and can't reconnect or who happen to have inconsistent internet which is not just whatsoever and don't understand why they would use this system if it does not function properly and is exploitable.

FireyFoe20Apr 24, 20152 votes

As someone who has to leave often because of my parents, here's what I see as a fix. LeaverBuster and/or players report leavers to the tribunal system, but the tribunal has to actually see that they left intentionally instead of, say, having to go do chores.

GaleWinUnleashedApr 24, 20151 votes

Any scenario which leaves your team one member short is unfair to them, and is therefore discouraged to the point of being punishable.

FireyFoe20Aug 5, 20151 votes

I agree, but I think the punishment should at least be less harsh if it's because of forces out of my control.

Striker X3Apr 27, 20152 votes

I completely agree that LeaverBuster is a bad system. Especially when you have a game client that crashes randomly and there are also server issues often. I personally was just in a game and had my loading screen freeze and not connect. Had no way of knowing it was frozen (with everyone at 100%) until about 5 min went by. I restarted to find the game at 7 min in....While disappointing I managed to come back and we actually won the game. After the game in the lobby all that hype is shot down by a message. I now have 5x pre queues ( that are 5 min) just to get in the real queue because I "left a game". I'd like to point out that I had more gold gain than 2 people on my team and went positive after starting behind. Here is the link to the game, you can see for yourself http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1806395040/212635859?tab=overview. You have a good idea but lets be honest the system sucks right now and there are probably more people getting banned that were actually there than not. I willing to bet 9/10 that guy that actually does leave the game isn't going to requeue 6 min after the game he left is over, so you really aren't even "punishing" the leavers at all. Case in point your system isn't affecting the people it should and needs to be fixed especially since your client disconnects and has server issues randomly.

OWMSJun 4, 20152 votes

I agree that people should be punished for afk/leaving games, but the amount of time you have to wait is bull

after only about 6 games left within anytime, you have to wait 20 minutes for the next five games... tell me that isn't stupid

5 mins, OK 10 mins... fine , OK 20 mins................... (deletes league of legends)

StaconaJun 5, 20151 votes

The system is so bad right now; a better and proper system will be a more severe "Dodge Penalty" because this way it will not punish those that have uncontrollable circumstances, but actually punish Leavers and Rage Quitters. Players honestly learn their lesson right away, and an immediate action helps with that. I actually have dogs and a dog learns their lesson when you punish them immediately and you do not need to keep hold of their punishment for an extended amount of time; a dog does not know what he did in a few hours or even a day ago so if try punishing the dog at other times than when the event occurred they will be confused and end up not learning from what they did wrong.

So in League terms a better system would be to have something that if you get a Leaver Penalty the effect will be immediate and starts after the game completely finishes. The effect would be something like 30 minutes wait after the game finishes, 60 minutes, then 120 minutes every other after that; the system resets every day for a fresh and new start just like Dodge Penalty functions. This system will work out because it is immediate punishment for a wrong action, but does not create toxicity by frustrating players over a long portion of time by never wanting players to play league again and [literally, may be more] end up costing Riot millions of dollars because less players will mean less money. Because no one will pay money for a game they cannot even play.

VinciusNov 14, 20141 votes

Leaver Buster is a good system, it doesn't matter if you leave intentionally or if it is out of your control, when you leave your team is pretty much screwed. It takes a high % of games to actually get your account suspended, if your internet or your computer is bad enough that you dc 1 game out of 5 you shouldn't be playing LoL, constantly dcing means your ruin the games for a lot players.

TryleMar 14, 20152 votes

what about feeding? lets get real here ive lost more games to feeding than i have ever lost to dcs.... hell sometimes i wish the feeders would dc

EleshakaiMar 14, 20151 votes

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what about feeding? lets get real here ive lost more games to feeding than i have ever lost to dcs.... hell sometimes i wish the feeders would dc

Don't worry... Riot's new 'detect intentional feeding' system they're working on will treat all feeding the same just like they treat all dcs the same. They have made the statement that intent doesn't matter and only the outcome is important, so I imagine you'll probably be pleased with the results of that one.

Colgate GatorNov 14, 20141 votes

It isn't like it bans you at your first games where you DC, if you're worried to be banned because your computer makes you go AFK 10 matches in a row, well...You're burdening other people's games with your problem.

LoL isn't even that resources' intensive.

kiblissJun 25, 20152 votes

yes it does...get your facts straight.

JubbinautJun 25, 20151 votes

Since the new Leaverbuster was released, I've disconnected multiple times on all of the accounts I use. I have yet to receive an LPQ. I suspect it's because those disconnects represent fairly rare occurrences for me.

DivinemindMar 10, 20151 votes

Leaver buster is beyond reproach until people stop playing. Riot values statistics too much to remove it.

SirsirMar 10, 20152 votes

The necro is strong with this one

DONT NEEEED TEAMApr 16, 20151 votes

I like tje system although it got me banned a few times thete are less 4v5s now for me or just because im silver 1 no longer in bronze

StaconaApr 16, 20151 votes

i have been playing since early season 1 and literally only 1 person has legit raged quit leave --- people who say they get all these leavers and 4v5s is more than likely on their part making these people leave; besides for this, people shouldnt get punished for having real life issues because it isn't controllable nor are these toxic players

overall, the person causing people to leave that ruin the fun of the game are the ones that need punishment which is the thing that will reduce leavers; removing someone who DCs is basically removing the good players and keeping the toxic ones ; people who complain about leavers happening in their games all the time also cannot see is that they are the toxic player themselves that ruins the fun of the game which causes these players to leave in the first place- unless someone has a mental problem people do not just get up and leave for no reason, there will be a perfectly legit reason to why someone is constantly leaving your games--- for example it is no coincidence that the most toxic and flaming server (EU West) also has the most leavers - these scenarios go hand in hand; if we punish the flamers then the intentionally leaver population will go down MASSIVELY and we do not need to worry about leavers because it is then people who legit DC or need to rush their sick grandmother to the hospital etc

powerbatsApr 16, 20151 votes

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i have been playing since early season 1 and literally only 1 person has legit raged quit leave --- people who say they get all these leavers and 4v5s is more than likely on their part making these people leave; besides for this, people shouldnt get punished for having real life issues because it isn't controllable nor are these toxic players

overall, the person causing people to leave that ruin the fun of the game are the ones that need punishment which is the thing that will reduce leavers; removing someone who DCs is basically removing the good players and keeping the toxic ones ; people who complain about leavers happening in their games all the time also cannot see is that they are the toxic player themselves that ruins the fun of the game which causes these players to leave in the first place- unless someone has a mental problem people do not just get up and leave for no reason, there will be a perfectly legit reason to why someone is constantly leaving your games--- for example it is no coincidence that the most toxic and flaming server (EU West) also has the most leavers - these scenarios go hand in hand; if we punish the flamers then the intentionally leaver population will go down MASSIVELY and we do not need to worry about leavers because it is then people who legit DC or need to rush their sick grandmother to the hospital etc

Wrong, most of the people leaving get punished because they choose to leave or because they have issues that they refuse to either fix or take into consideration when queuing up. I like most of the community have had real life come up, isp issues, router/modem issues, the firewall bug etc yet since S1 I've never gotten a single ban let alone a warning despite dealing with these types of things.

I've had to deal with toxic players in all game modes including ranked yet never left those games yet you and the small minority that does want a free ride because you choose to either not follow the rules like the rest of us, dodge because you don't like the team comps, or you just rage quit because you're not doing well. Well I've got news for you, Riot isn't going to remove Leaverbuster or it's penalties so you'll either shape up or get penalized end of story.

StaconaApr 16, 20152 votes

Based on this comment right here- you probably have a lot of people that leave your games...

TDH12May 22, 20151 votes

I never leave a game on purpose but if my connection fails or the game crashes on loadings screen and i can't reconnect until I restart my computer i can't do anything about it. Even if my teamates don't mind and don't report me or if we even win leaverbuster always ban/let you wait to join the queue for several games. I think this system is stupid. Why would there be an afk report option if leaverbuster does it automaticly. Even if no one reports you and doesn't mind you were afk you are still fcked. So why not remove the afk report?

StaconaMay 22, 20152 votes

The thing is ragers and leavers will most likely will get more frustrated with the punishment which makes them more likely to rage and leave in more games. Where as the system will catch players that have no control and is not who you want to punishment because chances are these players are actually a part of the good community, you want to punish the bad community and not the good community which is why the Leaver Buster system is bad in those regards since it does the complete opposite of what you want it to do.

Also if someone is constantly having people leave their games intentionally, then the problem is probably with that player and not the one leaving (it is a little bit of both, but if the leaver was never provoked he would have never left in the first place), so where is the punishment towards the the provoker? The thing about intentionally leaving is either the player does not care anymore OR the player was provoked into leaviing by a teammate, it takes two to argue, you cannot argue by yourself [well you could, but you would be crazy with a multiple personality disorder, we are assuming people are somewhat sane here]

SmokedAlmondsMay 22, 20151 votes

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The thing is ragers and leavers will most likely will get more frustrated with the punishment which makes them more likely to rage and leave in more games. Where as the system will catch players that have no control and is not who you want to punishment because chances are these players are actually a part of the good community, you want to punish the bad community and not the good community which is why the Leaver Buster system is bad in those regards since it does the complete opposite of what you want it to do.

i was going to say something else, but i forgot, sorry

There isn't really any way to tell the difference between someone who leaves intentionally and someone who disconnects. And the only thing differentiating them would do is change the message that you get when you disconnect. People who queue knowing they have crashing or connection problems are just as much of a problem as rage quitters. If you are crashing or DCing enough to get a leaverbuster punishment you need to be trying to fix w/e is causing the problem and not just hoping it doesn't happen again.

StaconaMay 22, 20152 votes

Some people do not have money for good computers, internet, etc - plus sick grandmas, black outs, tornado warnings, internet goes down etc are all uncontrollable circumstances --- the thing that can be prevented is less flaming and/or provoking to teammates to make the game enjoyable --- because it usually is not hard to see between leaving and DCing; I have been playing since early season 1 and i ahve only ever had 1 intentional leaver and i think i might have had a second one in the past few months as well but that is a very very very very very low percentage chance of a leaver regardless- so people that say they always have leavers in their game are probably a part of the problem with provoking them to leave in the first place because if i can play from early season 1 with less than a 0.001% intentional leaver rate then obviously players with a higher leaver rate is doing something to cause it and are the biggest factor to the problem---

now i do get random DCs in my game both my team and the enemy every now and then, which doesn't happen too often, but there is nothing to do about that honestly besides hoping it does not happen in your game is all you can do and all Riot can do - leaver buster does not fix the problem at all but makes things worse and may even make people frustrated with the game and stop playing which costs Riot money since those are potential high paying customers in the future and are not even a negative experience for the game on a personality level

mehjbmehJun 30, 20151 votes

THIS. I am so tired of Riot valuing a good connection over good people skills.

StaconaJul 1, 20151 votes

??? When I think of skills I am thinking of how good someone is at the game, so took a bit to know what you were saying --- but honestly people who intentionally rage quit which is the only intentional leaver happened to me ONE time and i have played since Vayne patch, this is early season 1 -- so a leaver buster system does not do anything, you only need the threat of a leaver buster to prevent leavers but not actually having one - disconnects and other real life events are not the people you need to punish - and if people are constantly leaving a game it probably because they are not having fun in that game because of someone in that game preventing fun from happening, the one making the game not fun should be punished which then will prevent less leavers - the fact that i never get intentional leavers shows that it is people that 'always gets intentional leavers' are doing something to make games no longer enjoyable hence people leave because games are for having fun and if you are not having fun might as well leave

short end; Riot needs to have their staple as League of Legends needs to be fun, and revolve their punishment systems around that and punish those at the root of the problem because punishing those with having issues in real life or not the best internet etc solves nothing, even punishing those leaving because a game is not being fun because of player X does not resolve anything [i am not talking about people who leave because they are mean trolling and want to ruin someone's game OR people who leave because they are on tilt, this is completely different, also extremely rare which can be reported for assisting enemy team or even verbal abuse] , punishing player X who makes the game not fun will be punishing the root of the problem and not just cutting the stem and leaves and the weed just grows back; leaver buster both ONLY cuts stems and leaves and does not take out the root, but it also cuts and destroys the pretty flowers which you want to keep and it is destroying more flowers than just appearing it is cutting weeds, but the flowers will be removed and the weeds will grow back and may grow back even stronger, not to mention the people making games not fun are getting stronger and stronger roots which will make it harder to kill those weeds later

but yea, Riot is making punishment systems that tries to make an appearance they are doing something, but the weeds are still there and growing bigger and stronger- while the flowers are taking a hit--- dig up the weeds, do not mow the flower bed

SoggyWhenWetNov 10, 20151 votes

I think the leave buster is absolutley fucking trash. i have shitty internet and when i reconnect and finish the game it says i have 5 20 minute bans LIKE WTF RIOT. IF YOUR GONNA KEEP IT, THEN MAKE IT ATLEAST 10 MINUTES NOT 20 MINUTES OF MY FUCKING LIFE. Nautilus item 3007 summoner 30

StaconaNov 10, 20151 votes

The smarter tactic would be just make it a longer dodge penalty -- it will discourage people from leaving, if people leave intentionally then they cannot play for 2 hours or something and maybe extends to 5 hours if they do it again in the same day - resets daily like dodge penalties

You only need to do one time immediate penalties and nothing that persists - like if you train a child or a dog they learn if you punish them immediately, other wise its just abuse if you punish them later on a prolong level and if they get punished for no reason then they are more likely to act out and misbehave when they get older

Imaginish CainamJan 3, 20161 votes

Hey, I can understand the system as a whole, it works. The problem is, if you're in a low que and wait the 20 mins but dont join the first game it finds in the like 10 seconds it gives you, you have to wait 20 minutes Again. Im not gonna just sit and watch the timer waiting to play. Let me do my time and then join a game normally. It shouldnt stack another 20 minute wait on me just bc I didnt get my cursor to the join button in time.

MekromaniacJul 8, 20161 votes

I'm gonna be the first to admit that I've left 1 or 2 games, out of rage or from the fact that the real world had need of me. Yet when my client crashes 2 times when I try to join a game and league bugsplats 3 times(not in a row), even after I was told the "problem was fixed" and I'm forced to wait for 20 minutes to get in 1 game, you'd be pissed like me. I've almost given up at Riot, as they need to FIX THE LEAVERBUSTER SYSTEM! I understand that people could abuse it, but if the game crashes and I RECONNECT, then don't punish me for it. I'm sorry, I don't intentionally close out of league to troll like you think Riot. As a matter of fact, that shows how little confidence you have in your community. Forgive me if I sound angry, but I am. I'm not trying to "ruin games", at least not like the other players I play with. How does the TwistedFate mid I play with dc for 10 minutes, comes back and trolls still play with normal queue times(I played another game with him right after - when I had no 20 minute queue) and he does it again, and I get to wait for 20 Fucking minutes because I "disconnected and ruined the game". Not only that, but those are the same people who are lowering players elo - I went from Plat V to Bronze V on my main account, WHY? Because people like them ruin it. I'm not saying remove the leaverbuster system - quite the contrary. I'm saying to perfect it, because you haven't done that with much else so far. If you get a good team on it, they could solve a lot of problems with it - and god knows you've got the money for it.

Another problem I would like to address is people rejoining. I'm sorry, but if my computer crashes in the middle of the ranked game, I doubt many of us go "Oh well, too bad so sad" when they dc. Again, this shows Riot's lack of confidence in us. I'm going to do everything in my ability to reconnect as fast as possible, and if the patcher starts updating, and if I've got a login queue, then that's RIOT's fault, not mine. Most games that I reconnect, I get to the level that my team is at fast and I do my best not to feed. I understand the "burden" of the team when a player dc's. I feel like if said player reconnects they shouldn't get punished. People are saying that if you reconnect within 6 minutes you escape the "ban". That is bullshit. I've reconnected in less than 4 minutes and gotten bans on the 2 times that happens. I'm keeping track Riot. I don't want you to pop up and claim that I'm not. When league crashes the timer comes out and every time I get "leaverbuster has put you in low matchmaking queue." Get your shit together.

This brings my final point(thank you to anyone who is still reading - I know that this may sound crazy) is Riot's lack of confidence, and I've mentioned it before. I am writing this after the banning of tyler1 and TheRainMan, and I understand where they are coming from with their bans. I don't agree with TheRainMan's ban, but I see why: Riot is trying to remove toxic players. They're trying to weed out the players that ruin the game or make sport of it, profiting from their negative attitudes and personalities. Yet banning innocent players who've done EVERYTHING in their ability to reconnect and stay positive - that's crossing the line. In my eyes, you, Riot games, are the toxic ones right now. The Rioters are grand and all, don't get me wrong. They're honestly nice people. Riot Games, as a company, has fallen off - and become a monster in the eyes of many. 10$ says they won't even read this, or take note of it. 10$ says they have ignored this and many other forums like it. Where is the communication, and where is the community support? I don't want to see Riot's downfall, but they have to look at the community not as a toxic tumor that needs to be removed, but for the good players that shine out among the many - because there's more good people than bad. I may not be nice and dandy all the time, but I do my best to stay positive and to help others. Call me toxic or call me nice, I do what I can, and I know there's more out there. I don't just want to remove my leaverbuster, but I want to help others who this will happen to.

So listen Riot - listen to your community and fanbase. Don't ignore it like you have in the past. There could be counter arguements to be made about afks and people who abuse it but please just look at what is happening.

Terribly sorry to anyone who just happened to stumble on my rant, I've got almost nowhere else to post this and I need to get it off me. At the end of the day, we're all human and it feels bad when you're ignored and thrown around

"I believe in having a good heart, a chirpy penis, a lively intelligence, and the courage to say "shit" in front of a lady" - D. H. Lawrence

highscorinJul 15, 20161 votes

I have to admit, This system is lame. 5 minutes wait before the long match search is really lame. They need to find a way to implement a system that doesn't give me the leaverbuster as a new player. I first played a few games and it was really difficult for me to stay in the game. My little toaster of a computer and internet is so unpredictable. Got banned from a match after i played the majority of the matches. How frustrating as a new player to have to wait 10+ minutes to do a simple match that takes a half hour. I first started to play with a friend a few days back and bought a character and skin and was like game on. Now a day after playing just 8 matches and i have already received the leaver buster. Completed all games except i would get disconnected a few times and return. Not to mention 10 minutes to wait for a match i get bored and do other things. and with the match timer not even being a good estimate i find myself always having to restart the damn timer. Not to mention ive been playing most of the day to try and remove it and just because of the long wait i have not been able to manage to get rid of this. If it continues much longer for me i will not even continue because its so frustrating im not even leaving the game its the long wait times!

The Doctor Is InDec 14, 20161 votes

i just got a 20 minute leaver buster because my computer froze i rebooted it took like 8 minutes congrats riot you dun lost a player of over 5 years item 3902

its money timeFeb 10, 20171 votes

I have to agree that leaverbuster is a bad idea. Most people don't leave on purpose and just get dissed on by a bad internet connection. I just had that problem with my usually stable internet failing. Also although it might be necessary for players who actually leave, having to sign that 'I Agree' thing was pretty tilting.