Does Elise need a buff?

YoungFarmer·Jan 13, 2015·10 votes·1,506 views

she feels kind of weak. I think if they made it so she could use her rappel to go to any where in the range of it she would be more balanced.

11 Comments

Kat HeadJan 13, 20154 votes

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Yes, lowest win rate in game would suggest a problem.

WindfallenJan 13, 20152 votes

I disagree. Somebody has to have the lowest win rate.

Elise has an awesome kit and the less people that play her means less people are prepared for what she can pull off.

Do not underestimate Urgot for that matter. He'll stomp you if you don't play against him correctly.

After playing around a dozen or so games with Elise in the new jungle... Her ability to gank is exceptionally well. She's one of the junglers that can sustain well enough to show up in a lane at level 3 with all of her hp. That's very good right now.

However, the drawback is that the speed at which she clears is poor. I try to make up for that by essentially always ganking. It usually works quite well for me. However, it's risky. If I don't get my teammates kills, then I've wasted so much more time since my clear is so slow.

Her damage is not to be underestimated. Nor is her gap closing. She's no zed, she's no fizz.... but she has a gap closer that allows her to become untargetable. That's pretty huge. Granted she does have a harder time bursting you from full to 0 unlike those other two I mentioned. Also... For her to do that, she trades her only escape mechanic.

The problem with Elise is that she's actually been nerfed into a state of balanced fairness that so many champs seem to be able to avoid. She's fun. She has a lot of hidden power... and I can't even say I know exactly what all of it is.

Instead of looking at NA's baseline winrate.... check out her stats in higher elo. It's a different story. Want another story? Find her winrates for Korean challenger. Last I checked she was well above 50% winrate and was even close to 60% in the same state she is in now.

TO THE OP:

I had a lot of trouble with rappel/cocoon myself. It is very important to have instant casting turned on to make these abilities work for you. Most of the time I prefer targeting my abilities manually, with Elise it is just not so.

YoungFarmerJan 14, 20151 votes

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I disagree. Somebody has to have the lowest win rate.

Elise has an awesome kit and the less people that play her means less people are prepared for what she can pull off.

Do not underestimate Urgot for that matter. He'll stomp you if you don't play against him correctly.

After playing around a dozen or so games with Elise in the new jungle... Her ability to gank is exceptionally well. She's one of the junglers that can sustain well enough to show up in a lane at level 3 with all of her hp. That's very good right now.

However, the drawback is that the speed at which she clears is poor. I try to make up for that by essentially always ganking. It usually works quite well for me. However, it's risky. If I don't get my teammates kills, then I've wasted so much more time since my clear is so slow.

Her damage is not to be underestimated. Nor is her gap closing. She's no zed, she's no fizz.... but she has a gap closer that allows her to become untargetable. That's pretty huge. Granted she does have a harder time bursting you from full to 0 unlike those other two I mentioned. Also... For her to do that, she trades her only escape mechanic.

The problem with Elise is that she's actually been nerfed into a state of balanced fairness that so many champs seem to be able to avoid. She's fun. She has a lot of hidden power... and I can't even say I know exactly what all of it is.

Instead of looking at NA's baseline winrate.... check out her stats in higher elo. It's a different story. Want another story? Find her winrates for Korean challenger. Last I checked she was well above 50% winrate and was even close to 60% in the same state she is in now.

TO THE OP:

I had a lot of trouble with rappel/cocoon myself. It is very important to have instant casting turned on to make these abilities work for you. Most of the time I prefer targeting my abilities manually, with Elise it is just not so.

Iv always played with quick cast on

YoungFarmerJan 14, 20151 votes

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Yes, lowest win rate in game would suggest a problem.

lol I didnt know Urgot had competition

SukishooJan 15, 20151 votes

Winrates mean from that site mean nothing. Pshh.

SukishooJan 13, 20151 votes

I think she's fine, I'd been playing around with her a lot lately and she was kind of off for a few matches but once I worked out some good runes/masteries she worked fine.

WindfallenJan 15, 20151 votes

How does this get downvoted?

SukishooJan 15, 20151 votes

I dunno. People are just sad cause they are wrong.

ZirzonJan 13, 20151 votes

I think the only real issue with Elise is her lack of strong AP scaling. No matter how fed you get, you're not going to be one of the top damage dealers. In fact, many people now build her mostly tanky, and "sacrifice" the very minimal extra damage for survivability instead.

CindikleJan 13, 20151 votes

She'll probably end up getting a rework before a buff.

She has a loaded kit that boarders making her another Lee Sin. And she just isn't flashy enough for Riot to make her immune to nerfs.

But she has such a strong theme to her. It's hard to really change much.

Maybe reduce the range of Rappel. But return it vs champions she's hit with other abilities. This could allow for other buffs. Such as Venomous Bite applying on hit effects. Could make her able to use Lichbane and be an AP bruiser. Or removing the AP scaling on her spiderling heals and base it off HP. So it can be a little stronger at it's base. Helping her live in the jungle.

Or make it better for the top lane. Jungle may just be too toxic for her kit to work in.

CalciferHowelJan 13, 20151 votes

I feel like she is in a position similar to that of Evelynn, in that her kit is so strong that her pure statistics are so low so that they aren't ridiculous in lane. Unfortunately, raw stats are really important to the new jungle.