Looking for advice from high elo players

Ternt·Sep 16, 2015·1 votes·1,429 views

So, I have climbed to Silver 2 from Bronze this season, and I am trying to figure out some small things to push me further in Silver and hopefully into Gold. I main jungle, but I can play every role pretty well, so I have a mixture of questions.

When I am controlling lane and winning in farm but I cannot kill the laner because of whatever reason, should I force kills? Roam? Just farm? (In the context of top lane)
When my team is ahead when I am jungling and we already got first drag, should I continue to gank or farm my jungle? I think sometimes waves aren't there and even with vision, I don't feel comfortable split pushing.
When my team is behind, where do I focus my attention? Forcing ganks/team fights usually don't end well and just put us further behind. How can I get better at playing from behind?
I CS decently well in all roles, so I can usually stay up to par, but I cannot harass as well as I would like to in lane. I play Jayce top, and most consider him a lane bully, but I sometimes don't feel like it. I rarely die more than 2 times in lane, and if I do it's because I am getting camped. How can I get better at harassing my lane opponent?

Here are my main champions for each role. Are there any suggestions on who to pick up to get better at specific roles?

Top: Jungle: Mid: ADC: Support:

25 Comments

jaymc1130Sep 16, 20152 votes

If for some reason you cannot kill the enemy laner but are winning in cs advantage press that advantage as long as you can do it safely, push hard into his tower, roam and take jungle camps or secure a kill in another lane, then come back and repeat. Always ward along your paths in and out or you will get picked in the process. Doing this will usually deny the enemy laner farm due to tower killing minions while simultaneously increasing your income lead by taking jg camps and securing kills in other areas. Eventually when you come back with the right item powers spike you should be able to kill the laner easily and take towers.
If you team is ahead and you have secured the first drake press the advantage. The goal of the game is not to get farmed up, or have a lot of kills. The goal is to get into the enemy base and destroy the nexus. When you have the advantage as a team coordinate your guys and start taking turrets and applying more pressure, controlling the buff areas and epic monster camps, and keep the laners you started snowballing snowballing and crack the enemy base.
When your team is behind you need to catch up. The best way is to earn income that cannot be easily contested. Take a free tower if the enemy isn't paying attention. If this isn't possible figure out which carry you can work with to get back into the game, as a jungler your role is to get your carries to carry harder, in general bot lane is the place to be, pitch a tent, secure a double or triple kill, take the tower or a drake.
Learn to watch the rhythm of your opposing laner, laning is a dance, if you watch for the moments they want to hit cs themselves it opens up opportunities for you to harass them when they move in to secure that cs. Particularly as jayce, your early all in potential at 3 is very strong. Don't be afraid to full combo them and end by knocking them away or perhaps even under your own turret. This type of trade will often discourage opponents from interacting with you again until they are stronger which will allow you to zone them off cs and increase your income advantage.

TerntSep 16, 20151 votes

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If for some reason you cannot kill the enemy laner but are winning in cs advantage press that advantage as long as you can do it safely, push hard into his tower, roam and take jungle camps or secure a kill in another lane, then come back and repeat. Always ward along your paths in and out or you will get picked in the process. Doing this will usually deny the enemy laner farm due to tower killing minions while simultaneously increasing your income lead by taking jg camps and securing kills in other areas. Eventually when you come back with the right item powers spike you should be able to kill the laner easily and take towers.

If you team is ahead and you have secured the first drake press the advantage. The goal of the game is not to get farmed up, or have a lot of kills. The goal is to get into the enemy base and destroy the nexus. When you have the advantage as a team coordinate your guys and start taking turrets and applying more pressure, controlling the buff areas and epic monster camps, and keep the laners you started snowballing snowballing and crack the enemy base.

When your team is behind you need to catch up. The best way is to earn income that cannot be easily contested. Take a free tower if the enemy isn't paying attention. If this isn't possible figure out which carry you can work with to get back into the game, as a jungler your role is to get your carries to carry harder, in general bot lane is the place to be, pitch a tent, secure a double or triple kill, take the tower or a drake.

Learn to watch the rhythm of your opposing laner, laning is a dance, if you watch for the moments they want to hit cs themselves it opens up opportunities for you to harass them when they move in to secure that cs. Particularly as jayce, your early all in potential at 3 is very strong. Don't be afraid to full combo them and end by knocking them away or perhaps even under your own turret. This type of trade will often discourage opponents from interacting with you again until they are stronger which will allow you to zone them off cs and increase your income advantage.

Thanks for the post, I appreciate it.

jaymc1130Sep 16, 20151 votes

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Thanks for the post, I appreciate it.

Any time mate. Additionally, Jungle is usually one of the best roles to climb with in low elo. A good jungler can be a force at every point on the map for the entirety of the game, although the requirements to be a good jg are different than in other roles, map awareness and game knowledge need to be prioritized more then straight mechanical skill. In low level play most junglers will simply be ineffective 9 of 10 games on both teams. A good jungler turns the game into a 5v4 by negating the enemy jungler entirely. Its very easy to do stuff like this:

TerntSep 16, 20151 votes

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Any time mate. Additionally, Jungle is usually one of the best roles to climb with in low elo. A good jungler can be a force at every point on the map for the entirety of the game, although the requirements to be a good jg are different than in other roles, map awareness and game knowledge need to be prioritized more then straight mechanical skill. In low level play most junglers will simply be ineffective 9 of 10 games on both teams. A good jungler turns the game into a 5v4 by negating the enemy jungler entirely. Its very easy to do stuff like this:

I was stuck in Bronze 3-2 for about 400 games, then I started to play Rek'Sai and just started putting down insane numbers and wins. I went from 50-60% win rates on most champs to 70% win on Rek'Sai and climbed out of Bronze within 80 games playing just her. I'd say out of all roles, I've played jungle about 80% more, although I can do all roles effectively most games. Out of my top most played Champions, 5/7 are Junglers. I found early on that Jungle has the biggest impact on a game than any other role, and I wanted that responsibility. Rek'Sai fits my play style, so once I found a champion who went along with that, I found myself climbing pretty fast. But for the most part, I feel like there are just some games where people on carry roles just do not know how to play the role. I had a Jinx last night who was 0/3 in lane to an Ashe, and kept spamming to quit the game. But all other lanes and myself were actually doing pretty good. So I told them that Jinx is a late game champion, and as long as they can get some items, we would demolish the Ashe late. They ended 7/7, and we won, but sometimes people just don't understand that kind of stuff. Is it true that some games are just unwinnable?

jaymc1130Sep 16, 20151 votes

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I was stuck in Bronze 3-2 for about 400 games, then I started to play Rek'Sai and just started putting down insane numbers and wins. I went from 50-60% win rates on most champs to 70% win on Rek'Sai and climbed out of Bronze within 80 games playing just her. I'd say out of all roles, I've played jungle about 80% more, although I can do all roles effectively most games. Out of my top most played Champions, 5/7 are Junglers. I found early on that Jungle has the biggest impact on a game than any other role, and I wanted that responsibility. Rek'Sai fits my play style, so once I found a champion who went along with that, I found myself climbing pretty fast. But for the most part, I feel like there are just some games where people on carry roles just do not know how to play the role. I had a Jinx last night who was 0/3 in lane to an Ashe, and kept spamming to quit the game. But all other lanes and myself were actually doing pretty good. So I told them that Jinx is a late game champion, and as long as they can get some items, we would demolish the Ashe late. They ended 7/7, and we won, but sometimes people just don't understand that kind of stuff. Is it true that some games are just unwinnable?

Sure. I'm a diamond player as a Mid and Top laner and a high Plat player as a Jg, and I didn't win 100% of those eve games through silver and gold did I? You can't win em all mate, not how it works. The thing is, until the game ends, you NEVER KNOW if its one you can win or you can't so you have to play hard always, all the time, every time.

Janna F Kennedy, a master tier level player this season and historically one of the better players on the server once told me a few seasons back this little nugget: "When playing league, you will automatically win about 40% of your games due to a teammate getting fed, an enemy team member feeding and throwing, an afk, an enemy team troll or other factors outside your direct control. You will also automatically lose about 40% of your games for the inverse reasons. What determines your destiny is how you play in the 20% of games you can DIRECTLY control the outcome of."

Moral of the story being, are you gonna play every game like its one of the 20% or one of the 80%? Are you gonna shine every time you have a chance to regardless of how the game looks?

krantwakSep 16, 20151 votes

One issue i have seen plenty of times are item builds. Do you use the same builds or you change it depending on your situation ?

Sinister MarsSep 16, 20151 votes

Would love to see someone high elo answer this. In my experience is the depths of elo hell, champs are being shoehorned into specific builds like never before. Build diversity seems lower than in the past. Again, in my experience.

AntiFlashSep 16, 20151 votes

Agreed and their are so many good options.

TerntSep 16, 20152 votes

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One issue i have seen plenty of times are item builds. Do you use the same builds or you change it depending on your situation ?

I change builds depending on who I play against. If I am AP mid vs AD mid, I'll start cloth and 5 pots instead of Doran's and 1. Just to get my Zhonya's faster. Or top I'll start Maw versus Rumble on Jayce, then 2nd buy Tear if I am taking a lot of harass. This is one thing I noticed when I was in Bronze that helped me climb, so I started working on it then. But by no means am I perfect at it.

krantwakSep 16, 20151 votes

Advice from a plat is not good enough ?

Edit : Just asking questions to see what are some key issues that you may need help in.

TerntSep 16, 20151 votes

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Advice from a plat is not good enough ?

Edit : Just asking questions to see what are some key issues that you may need help in.

Yeh, pretty much anybody higher than me lol.

krantwakSep 16, 20151 votes

Also this is a little more spot on if you rather watch videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sER9yEq_vy4

AntiFlashSep 16, 20151 votes

If you can't kill them making them lose out on as much cs and exp as possible is a good strategy by freezing the lane as much as possible. Roaming is really only worth it if it gives your team a kill or objective so good judgement is key. As far as what to do when you have drag and your teams winning, its more about taking the right opportunities and watching how things are playing out on the map. Farming when you know a gank wont be successful isn't a bad idea either. Sometimes you have to leave your laners to their own devices and get the levels you need for an effective gank. Part of being good at harass is not forcing it, or timing when your gonna harass by waiting for them to go for a cs.

TerntSep 16, 20151 votes

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If you can't kill them making them lose out on as much cs and exp as possible is a good strategy by freezing the lane as much as possible. Roaming is really only worth it if it gives your team a kill or objective so good judgement is key. As far as what to do when you have drag and your teams winning, its more about taking the right opportunities and watching how things are playing out on the map. Farming when you know a gank wont be successful isn't a bad idea either. Sometimes you have to leave your laners to their own devices and get the levels you need for an effective gank. Part of being good at harass is not forcing it, or timing when your gonna harass by waiting for them to go for a cs.

Yeh, many times I feel like if I don't force some fights we will just constantly get beat down in sieges. Other times, the laner cannot do anything and just continues to die over and over even when I say I am coming. I've had games in lane where I get highly camped, and if I had my jungler counter ganking we would win that trade. I try to specifically tell my teammates what the objective is, and if I know they're getting camped because the jungler/mid are duo, I tend to float around that part of the map more so I can access the lane faster. For instance, last night I had a game where this happened, so I floated around mid keeping control of the scuttles and counter ganked every time with success. I try my best when jungling to counter jungle when I know it's safe. If jungler shows top side and I am already doing scuttle, I try to deny their jungle as much as possible. I feel like I have good map awareness when I am jungling, but not as much when I am laning. I think my main issue is forcing things at the moment, I know when I can or can't gank, but when I am in lane I feel stronger than I am sometimes and get myself in too deep. Since Jayce is my primary top laner, he's a very all-in sort of champion and requires you to get close. Many times I over estimate my damage and get too deep. I constantly buy wards out of habit, regardless of position, although sometimes when playing laning roles I don't as much as I do when I jungle. As a jungler, it would be weird for me to buy anything less than 2+ and my upgrade. But there are games where I feel like I don't know what I am doing, or I cannot read the playstyle of the enemy because it's erratic.

krantwakSep 16, 20151 votes

Sorry was respond to the other guy ^_^

SharinnenganSep 16, 20151 votes

Ill give you my 2 cents. Also as a main jungler but sorry i am not high elo. Platinum 2 is not high....but still i hope i can help you. First, you are asking about some way too mandatory and basic stuff, witch means that you really dont get the game at all...yet. Keep in mind i am being respectful here just trying to help. So what you can do is.

1 Watch streams of high ranked players on the internet. (Lcs will confuse you at this point rather than help,keep that later.) 2 Google specific parts of the game that you want to get better (how to stutter step ,gank,froze wave, split push, decision making especially since you jungling ect.) and again see videos from very skilled players. (Like redmercy on youtube for example.) 3 Dont even talk to other ppl at ranked on chat, at your elo they also don't know whats going on, and they will not take advise from u or anyone cause its the garbage attitude player. 4 Analise hard and deep only YOUR mistakes. 5 Dont rage, usually, like 9/10 that rage are just garbage players,with the worst being that 1/10 witch might be diamond but you get the pouint.

I started lol august 2014 at season 4. Got the 10 promo games got silver 4. Playd and dropped to Bronze 5. Then before 1 year pass i got to plat 2 at season 5 witch is now. I was really frustrated and making post like this or even complain about other players behavior,the troll, the afk ,ect. When i realize this is just an excuse (even if it was true witch it was) for my inability to get higher rank i change my attitude and was focusing on making less and less mistakes myself. Then i literally poped to plat 2. There is no excuse to ones elo, if the others are bad and you are not, even like this eventually you will keep getting higher. There is no excuse.

Hope i helped, cheers.

SharinnenganSep 16, 20151 votes

p.s. Silver or bronze players aren't garbage, the ones that think they know everything for the game and flame and verbal abuse are. So take it easy, enjoy the game, and eventually you will get better. Hope i helped, cheers.

TerntSep 16, 20151 votes

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Ill give you my 2 cents. Also as a main jungler but sorry i am not high elo. Platinum 2 is not high....but still i hope i can help you. First, you are asking about some way too mandatory and basic stuff, witch means that you really dont get the game at all...yet. Keep in mind i am being respectful here just trying to help. So what you can do is.

1 Watch streams of high ranked players on the internet. (Lcs will confuse you at this point rather than help,keep that later.) 2 Google specific parts of the game that you want to get better (how to stutter step ,gank,froze wave, split push, decision making especially since you jungling ect.) and again see videos from very skilled players. (Like redmercy on youtube for example.) 3 Dont even talk to other ppl at ranked on chat, at your elo they also don't know whats going on, and they will not take advise from u or anyone cause its the garbage attitude player. 4 Analise hard and deep only YOUR mistakes. 5 Dont rage, usually, like 9/10 that rage are just garbage players,with the worst being that 1/10 witch might be diamond but you get the pouint.

I started lol august 2014 at season 4. Got the 10 promo games got silver 4. Playd and dropped to Bronze 5. Then before 1 year pass i got to plat 2 at season 5 witch is now. I was really frustrated and making post like this or even complain about other players behavior,the troll, the afk ,ect. When i realize this is just an excuse (even if it was true witch it was) for my inability to get higher rank i change my attitude and was focusing on making less and less mistakes myself. Then i literally poped to plat 2. There is no excuse to ones elo, if the others are bad and you are not, even like this eventually you will keep getting higher. There is no excuse.

p.s. Silver or bronze players aren't garbage, the ones that think they know everything for the game and flame and verbal abuse are. So take it easy, enjoy the game, and eventually you will get better. Hope i helped, cheers.

I don't have all chat turned on, and I really don't rage because I know when I make mistakes. I've been playing this game for 10 months now, and I started in Bronze 3. I do watch a lot of videos, and when it comes to combos on champions, etc, I can do those usually pretty well. I can usually pick a champion up really quickly, but it's the small details of that champion I need to learn. I saw videos of the InSec kick, and immediately was able to replicate it, but just not in useful situations. And that's more or less what I mean when I say that. It's not that I am complaining, but more or less a lot of stuff on YouTube doesn't specifically say "This is how you freeze a lane." I used to be a terrible top laner because I would push the wave constantly. Recently as I have been playing top more, I have found ways to reset the lane and freeze it so I won't miss as much farm if I B. But at my elo, I do sometimes find my team behind because most games are 1 of 2 scenarios. Either we steamroll or get steamrolled. Very few times does it go another way, and even when I win lane or do fine, I want to know if there's a win condition. Because although I've played a lot, I still don't know everything there needs to be for me to hit Platinum level mechanics or knowledge.

I love watching the LCS though, but I am not stupid enough to see Varus mid and then jump into ranked to give it a go. I feel like I understand my strengths and weaknesses, and the strengths and weaknesses of the champions I own/play. When I was in Bronze, I played a lot of Shaco because I found him fun. But as the Cinderhulk meta came in to existence, Shaco really fell off and it was harder for me to do anything late game. So Shaco's entire win condition was, get fed and end early before people get big. Around Bronze elo, games rarely were less than 30+ minutes, therefore making it very hard to win games consistently. So I switched over to Rek'Sai, and spamming her I felt like I learned a lot about itemization and just overall knowledge of jungling. I watch the LCS not to mimic what they play or do, but more or less to understand team compositions and why certain champions do well versus others. Before, I would see teams just randomly strung together, but now I see a specific purpose as to why they chose what they did. But nothing irks me more than when Yasuo gets played as MSG and now I see Yasuo in almost every single game, where before it would be about 1/20 or so games. There's a lot of viable picks, but people don't accept it unless it's LCS worthy. I despise watching streams, because I don't have the patience for them really.

I watch replays on YouTube of my favorite champions to see who they played versus and what they did to win the matchup, as well as item builds or runes. I don't have that many champs, I'd say 70, because I focused all my early IP on runes and rune pages. I have almost every tier 3 rune that's useful and 9 pages, so now as I play I pick up random champions that I might want to learn down the road. So when I go into a match up, I want to see if they fair better with flat AD or armor pen runes, or things like that. I feel like I have grown very fast into this game, and understand it to a certain degree and I just want to take it to the next level. The only way to do that is to ask for advice from higher elo players, because they were all me at some point. I'm not too prideful to ask for advice when it is needed, because I am dwindling between S2 and S1 and really want to make it to Gold. I appreciate the post and your time.

AntiFlashSep 16, 20151 votes

Obviously experience is a great factor in decision making. My first tip would be try every champion because even if you know their abilities if you dont know the potential from experience its harder to play against them and understand what to do in game to beat them. But it pretty much comes down to is it worth it. Do you really need to go so deep for the kill, or could you get in deep with melee and finish with ranged. Heres my tip for generally improving, be aware of every enemies cooldowns, this goes along with playing everyone, once you have a good grasp on them you will notice more opportunities. and know better when to go for the big or risky plays. Further into that click on enemies and look at their stats, it can give you some incite on how to build and play against them. The last thing im going to put in this is kind of obvious but you have to consider what I just said and weigh it into the items people have and their levels. When you start thinking this way you will notice improvements in your allies even because you will open up plays.

TerntSep 16, 20151 votes

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Obviously experience is a great factor in decision making. My first tip would be try every champion because even if you know their abilities if you dont know the potential from experience its harder to play against them and understand what to do in game to beat them. But it pretty much comes down to is it worth it. Do you really need to go so deep for the kill, or could you get in deep with melee and finish with ranged. Heres my tip for generally improving, be aware of every enemies cooldowns, this goes along with playing everyone, once you have a good grasp on them you will notice more opportunities. and know better when to go for the big or risky plays. Further into that click on enemies and look at their stats, it can give you some incite on how to build and play against them. The last thing im going to put in this is kind of obvious but you have to consider what I just said and weigh it into the items people have and their levels. When you start thinking this way you will notice improvements in your allies even because you will open up plays.

Yeh, for certain champions only I really pay attention to this because I stay around my niche amount of champions, so I don't know all their skills. If I am versus a Zed or LeBlanc, and I am the jungler, I will not gank until they use their escape so that they must flash or die. Highly mobile champs I really focus on it, but for the most part I do not know all the cooldowns of champions moves and the proper opportunity for things like that. I guess I am still fairly new to the game (10 months), and I find myself sometimes under estimating the power of some champions and dying. When I look at builds, I focus on the carries primarily. I'll look and see Rumble, Ahri and Lucian, Rumble is 4/1 - 2 full items, Ahri is 2/1 - 1 item 1 half, Lucian 0/2 - half IE done, and on my jungler I will build MR first. Because at this point, Lucian is still fairly weak and my HP alone should outlast his damage in a fight. Where Ahri and Rumble have some damage to their abilities, and surviving against them will be much harder. I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of the game, but most players usually are like me (from what I hear). They are Silver or low Gold their first season, then their 2nd they usually move up much faster because of sheer time invested into the game and understanding the game.

AntiFlashSep 16, 20151 votes

Look into scaling runes, scaling cooldowns for blue end up at 15%, so take 4 points in the offense tree and youll have 20 without items, build 2 with 10 or one with 20. That's probably one of the most useful and versatile starts for a rune/mastery set up. If you haven't thought about trying scaling runes ide recommend it.

TerntSep 16, 20151 votes

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Look into scaling runes, scaling cooldowns for blue end up at 15%, so take 4 points in the offense tree and youll have 20 without items, build 2 with 10 or one with 20. That's probably one of the most useful and versatile starts for a rune/mastery set up. If you haven't thought about trying scaling runes ide recommend it.

I have all scaling runes and flat runes. I took 4 pts from my CDR Mastery and replaced it with 5% CDR in flat runes for my Jayce page strictly so I could get Blade and Spell Weaving. And this works out, because with most builds on Jayce I get 30%-40% depending on the priority of items needed and length of the game. Minimum though, I always have 20% with Lucidity boots and 30% with Brutalizer.

AntiFlashSep 16, 20151 votes

There is also the option of just building 40cdr and scaling your ad armor and mr harder on jayce. Its pretty easy to get away with scaling him top with his range.

Sniper 0Sep 16, 20151 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Holy+arts

I mostly just play tanks for climbing xD I play cho as a tank regardless of where I use him and build cdr on him so he's a cc machine. Makes climbing easy. I noticed very few of the champs you're using have a low skill floor. If you're stuck in an elo pick up one champ to main. (I did this with Naut) I learned braum last season so he's not really hard to play. I don't enjoy playing thresh. I stopped using jayce. Learn other champs as you go. Naut --> zac --> tahm--> Cho --> Varus(after failing to pick up vayne) -> to be continue I've played each champ for somewhere around 50 games before moving on to the next (minus cho, he's easy as hell to learn)

Edit: A lot of my cho games I just ended up pushing and applying pressure so the enemy jungler would camp me. You get just as fed farming. As long as you don't ignore your teams need you'll be fine. I would roam for dragon fights and such but it's pretty low maint when you're taking all of the enemy jungler's attention because you're pushing mid or top super hard. I've had enemies blow 3 ults while I was pushing top and my team was taking objectives. Yeah it's not optimal to die but sometimes it can't be avoided, I saw them coming. When panth ults behind you, you're gonna have a bad time. It's nice to not give shutdown gold when most of your gold has come from mob kills though. :3 (use this strategy with caution because it can back fiora hard ;] ) So When you're ahead and your team is going even

Apply lane pressure
Try not to die while doing this If you're ahead but your team is behind
Steps 1 and 2
Attempt to assists lanes if your jungler can't get around to it (so roam) If your entire team is behind.
Watch your enemy make a mistake (in cho's case if they dive toss a w,q)
If they're early game champs wait the game out so you can outscale them.

Don't tilt if you die once, yeah you're gonna be behind but going on tilt helps no one.

TerntSep 16, 20151 votes

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http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Holy+arts

I mostly just play tanks for climbing xD I play cho as a tank regardless of where I use him and build cdr on him so he's a cc machine. Makes climbing easy. I noticed very few of the champs you're using have a low skill floor. If you're stuck in an elo pick up one champ to main. (I did this with Naut) I learned braum last season so he's not really hard to play. I don't enjoy playing thresh. I stopped using jayce. Learn other champs as you go. Naut --> zac --> tahm--> Cho --> Varus(after failing to pick up vayne) -> to be continue I've played each champ for somewhere around 50 games before moving on to the next (minus cho, he's easy as hell to learn)

Edit: A lot of my cho games I just ended up pushing and applying pressure so the enemy jungler would camp me. You get just as fed farming. As long as you don't ignore your teams need you'll be fine. I would roam for dragon fights and such but it's pretty low maint when you're taking all of the enemy jungler's attention because you're pushing mid or top super hard. I've had enemies blow 3 ults while I was pushing top and my team was taking objectives. Yeah it's not optimal to die but sometimes it can't be avoided, I saw them coming. When panth ults behind you, you're gonna have a bad time. It's nice to not give shutdown gold when most of your gold has come from mob kills though. :3 (use this strategy with caution because it can back fiora hard ;] ) So When you're ahead and your team is going even

Apply lane pressure

Try not to die while doing this If you're ahead but your team is behind

Steps 1 and 2

Attempt to assists lanes if your jungler can't get around to it (so roam) If your entire team is behind.

Watch your enemy make a mistake (in cho's case if they dive toss a w,q)

If they're early game champs wait the game out so you can outscale them.

Don't tilt if you die once, yeah you're gonna be behind but going on tilt helps no one.

Yeh, I prefer higher skill cap champions because they're more fun to play. It's hard for me to play really simple champs because I get bored very fast with them. I'm sort of new-ish to laning, although I have probably 150+ mid lane games, that's nothing compared to some seasoned people I play versus. Regardless of KDA/Win Rate, sometimes I play versus or with people who have 100+ games on a specific champ. That to me means knowledge and experience, which in turn means I need to watch out and play safe. Especially since I just picked Jayce back up. I played about 50 games of Jayce when I was newer, and I didn't really find what I was looking for because I had less knowledge of the game back then. But 4-5 months later, I pick him back up and it feels a bit different. My first 10-20 games were pretty rough, remembering his weaknesses and making poor decisions. But as I continue to play him, I am getting a better feel for it. Last 2 games I played I died first in lane, but then ended up pushing down the towers because he went to roam instead of take my tower. Then from there, I roamed the rest of the game just deleting people. People don't respect the Jayce sometimes, and it's a good thing for me haha.