Does Devourer, Nashor's, and Wit's End + the mastery Arcane Blade stack?

Yatsufuså··3 votes·2,041 views

item 3091 does 42 magic damage per basic attack

item 3710 does 30 magic damage per basic attack

item 3115 does 15 + (15% of AP) magic damage per basic attack.

Arcane Blade - Basic attacks now deal bonus magic damage equal to 5% of Ability Power.

My question is do they all stack?

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Professor Ward3 votes

ima go on a limb and say yes

Yatsufuså1 votes

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ima go on a limb and say yes

I was wondering because I wanted to try out an ap fighter with these items. I think Nashor's would for sure stack with one of those two since its passive is a little different, but Devourer and Wit's seem similar. I guess Sated would make it different, but that's 30 stacks away which is basically late game.

IcyPepper2 votes

Why do you think Kayle is so strong at the moment?

Well, the wit's end effect helps too... but you know what I meant :3

7ha7guy7772 votes

I could have sworn sated added 60 magic damage on hit

Yatsufuså1 votes

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I could have sworn sated added 60 magic damage on hit

It does. I didn't put Sated on there, so I stuck with the pre-sated stats. Don't worry, you're right.

Byakuya Kuchiki1 votes

are they unique passives with the same name? no? then they stack just chcked their stats. yes they stack im curious who you will build them on

Yatsufuså1 votes

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are they unique passives with the same name? no? then they stack just chcked their stats. yes they stack im curious who you will build them on

Kayle, Jax, Xin, Diana (if I had her). They seem like they'd benefit from that. Jax is a bit iffy, but his passive + Sated Devourer + the bonus magic damage/Attack speed from those items seems like a good tradeoff for him at the risk of armor/magic resist items.

Renaille2 votes

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Kayle, Jax, Xin, Diana (if I had her). They seem like they'd benefit from that. Jax is a bit iffy, but his passive + Sated Devourer + the bonus magic damage/Attack speed from those items seems like a good tradeoff for him at the risk of armor/magic resist items.

Please only ever use this on kayle.

Ratbert3 votes

KogMaw Teemo work too.

Yatsufuså1 votes

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Please only ever use this on kayle.

I just played Jax game with this and I did fine.

Professor Ward1 votes

who do you plan on using this with?

Yatsufuså1 votes

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who do you plan on using this with?

Champions who are AP based but could work with a attack speed kit. Lulu also seems like she could benefit from this if she goes top lane. Her spells would still do damage / heal / shield for a lot since she has AP, but she'd also be dealing constant damage to the enemies.

Angry Monster1 votes

Lulu would be a painful jungle start. expect heavy counter jungleing and invades

EvilMerodach1 votes

I think additive not multiplicative. So like, Basic attacks now deal bonus magic damage equal to 5% of Ability Power if you have 1000 AP- 42 + 30 + 15 + 150 (for nashor 15%) + 50 (for 5% mastery one) = 277 Though I think doubled up once you get item 3930 (554) Worth on someone who has a lot of AA's on their kit anyway..otherwise..not that much for the investment.

Marthian1 votes

The only champion that could do this is Veigar or Thresh.

3 slots for AP items (2 if you get boots) is pretty limiting.

Professor Ward1 votes

with 300 ap this would make autos add around 147 mag damage which isnt bad at all as long as you can get a few off

Yatsufuså1 votes

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with 300 ap this would make autos add around 147 mag damage which isnt bad at all as long as you can get a few off

I like the build. SInce Jax's AD scales to 100+ at level 14, he does a considerate amount of damage making him hybrid. They would have to build both armor and MR just to deal with you. I did fine in my game just now where I made this build.

Angry Monster1 votes

First of this is a low AP build and would have to build tank since you now have to auto everything. So stated only does on hit effects. I am pretty sure that the effects of nashor and wits counts. The end build just does not make sense though.

I build stated wits and bork on shy, into tank items.

Yatsufuså1 votes

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First of this is a low AP build and would have to build tank since you now have to auto everything. So stated only does on hit effects. I am pretty sure that the effects of nashor and wits counts. The end build just does not make sense though.

I build stated wits and bork on shy, into tank items.

Yeah I tested this build twice today and it didn't yield a high AP value at all. It still did the burst damage I needed though. I had like 2.30 attack speed with the atk spd items + runes + passive of Jax. It definitely killed people off.

Angry Monster1 votes

for jax just replace nashor for bork and watch the life steal. You get teh same AS but the % health is actually to be more effective. Plus you get A health excute and a chase active.

The problem with the build as is that for every 100 ap you are getting 20 magic damage before resistances(nashor and mastery). Which easily gets cut in half. Yes wit steals some MR but you will kill anyone before you fully break down the MR anyways.

Yatsufuså1 votes

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for jax just replace nashor for bork and watch the life steal. You get teh same AS but the % health is actually to be more effective. Plus you get A health excute and a chase active.

The problem with the build as is that for every 100 ap you are getting 20 magic damage before resistances(nashor and mastery). Which easily gets cut in half. Yes wit steals some MR but you will kill anyone before you fully break down the MR anyways.

Never thought about the MR thing tbh. This actually makes sense. Guess my dream of extra magic per basic attack is quickly fleeting away.

Angry Monster1 votes

Do what you want, people win with less than optimal (math) builds all the time. I am just pointing what i see are flaws.

Build is probably great for kayle though since she innately shreds and splashes.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

They should.

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