Pantheon is Lonely

Wild Wes·10/28/2015, 1:13:35 PM·2 votes·232 views

I recently bought Pantheon and think he's one of the best Champions there is. Honestly, he's got a mobile stun, a area of effect and a ranged weapon. The only thing bad is his ultimate, which would be great if it didn't show the circle, because honestly an enemy can walk from the outside of the circle on one end to the other before you even make it there. Sure I once did it on a noob who didn't know what it was and dealt have their health when I landed, but still. Anyone who has half a brain cell could figure that IT WILL HURT YOU. But still, all his other abilities are good, so why don't people use him?

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AyRe CoNteMpT10/28/2015, 1:56:26 PM2 votes

he is simply an extremely weak champion, thats why nobody uses him. he has decent earlygame power but not more than other strong earlygame champions (less than elise, rexai, lee sin) and he doesnt scale AT ALL. like he literally has NO SCALING POWER. either you end game by 10 minutes or there is no reason to pick pantheon.

like if you look at it, pantheon is not a bruiser nor is he a real fighter, he is really a low range mage who scales on AD. his main damage is his E which is a channeled ability so it can be interrupted and its pretty low range. also he is full squishy so he cant really "catch" anone with his W and even tho his ultimate is good for 10 minutes into the game, its not a combat ultimate so in fights he simply has no ultimate which is a big loss.

then again even tho his Q is good for jungling and decent for laning, for fighting it is actually very weak especially since it scales so badly with levels that leveling it up is almost not worth it at all and its range is so low that you cant poke most champions with it without dying.

another problem is that he scales only on AD, armorpenetration and cooldown reduction and there is only one item in the game which gives one or two of these stats without any other useless crap you pay for without needing it and that is last whisper.

basically there are no items for pantheon to scale with. the jungle enchant warrior is pretty good but after that, what you gonna buy. probably another brutalizer but you cant really build it into anything. black cleaver is okay-ish but the extra hp is unneccessary and the armor shred stacks up with your E so you actually somewhat need a second E to fully utilize its damage, which mostly you dont get and also dont want to get, especially on squishier targets.

essence reaver is decent but the life and manasteal are not really neccessary but cost alot of gold. the best "build" on pantheon is probably jungle item -> bf sword -> bf sword -> bf sword and ionian boots and basically end the game.

Excitidly Insane10/28/2015, 1:22:52 PM1 votes

Because he falls off like a truck over a cliff come late game. He becomes a stun bot dealing low to moderate damage unless you manage to walk up to the backline, which if you can, says more about the opposing team than I can ever say.

Edit : It's pretty much psychological, pummel the opposing laner into submission, feed from him like a boss and make him tilt.

SEKAI10/28/2015, 1:19:57 PM1 votes

Or make his ulti a global spell like it used to be, that'll justify the circle on the ground.

Randomonium10/28/2015, 3:47:56 PM1 votes

Everyone else is right, he has no late game scaling. If you don't snowball hard and end the game early it's pretty much a guaranteed loss against a competent team.

His ult used to not have a ring around it and it was deemed too "op" (it also had a global range.) Riot added the ring to avoid him having to be nerfed in other areas, which would have completely gutted him.

When using his ult you want to position it behind the enemy when your ally is in front of them. This prevents them from retreating and allows you to get an easy 2v1.

Ralanr10/28/2015, 3:47:54 PM1 votes

Tip, they can't see the circle if you ult into a bush.

But as many of said, it's his scaling that really prevents him from being played a lot. Your early game is great (good compared to newer champions) but your mid is iffy unless you're fed and late doesn't really exist either way. After 30 minutes you're more likely to die a lot. He's got mana issues, not many build path options (not just because of item synergy, because of how extremely early game he is he can't sacrifice the power for experimentation. At least that's my experience).

I find him fun and I take pride in maining him, but he has problems. Riot says he's in a good spot at the moment so he's not going to be reworked or updated any time soon I imagine.

Chaotic Reks10/28/2015, 4:34:51 PM1 votes

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Killer of Poros10/28/2015, 3:37:38 PM1 votes

His damage and mama costs are his main issue right now. He has no sustain so if he isn't winning lane hard the enemy will either back off or all in him. Personally would like it if his base stats were increased or increase his base damages for his abilities.