Title. Just wondering what the general opinion on it is. Do you guys think going 2/15 (obviously scenario here...no "oh but 2/15/094387502938475 and 03958 turrets taken") is considered toxic, or do you think it only applies to language?
Aerothal5 votes"feeding" implies that you are doing it intentionally. its the act of becoming food for the enemy team. if you are dying a lot because you went on tilt or had a bad game or your opponent completely sees through your every move and is always a step ahead, killing you in the process, that's not feeding. Even if you go 2/15 like someone earlier mentioned.
only the feeding where you stop trying, walk up to the enemy to be slaughtered without defending yourself, walking into towers, dying to creeps on purpose, playing touch-down in their base, that feeding is intentional, toxic and therefore reportable.
Nucleophilic atk1 votesHere is my thought though. If you are 0/3, which ok, bad but not horid, and you keep trying to fight the enemy instead of playing safe, how are you not intentionally feeding? You know that you will die in the fight but fight anyway, so I consider it intentionally dieing. Just my thought on it.
Jubbinaut3 votesYou're assuming that they know they'll lose the fight. Or that they have other options. The only truly safe place is (arguably) the very back of the fountain, so if they want to take part, they have to be in at least a slightly risky situation. If they're farming an empty lane and the enemy comes in behind them, what options are there? Running and fighting, yes?
Sometimes, running isn't an option. If they've got better chase than you have escape, whatever.
And I'm not saying that a situation like that isn't their fault, because it's entirely their own fault for being off by themselves and so gankable. But that doesn't make it intentional.
Nucleophilic atk1 votesWell, I'm talking about intentionally fighting the enemy. Also, if you just push a lane with no vision, you know that you will most likely get ganked and die. There is no way someone doesn't know that diving a 1v3 will result in a death when they are already behind. If they don't know that, then no offense but they shouldn't be playing the game.
Jubbinaut2 votesThen maybe they're expecting followup. Or counting on the rest of their team to keep the enemy distracted.
Again, I'm not saying they aren't playing smart. I'm just saying that doesn't make it intentional, nor does it make it inherently toxic. It's not nearly so black-and-white as you want it to be.
Nucleophilic atk1 votesI'm not saying it is black and white here...I'm just not making it as grey as you are trying to lol. I am talking about an obvious I am going to run into 3 players, button mash because "its jus a game noob" player. This is not running into turrets and intentionally feeding in the sense that you are talking about, which is not even what I am talking about here.
Jubbinaut2 votesYou're ignoring other alternatives to speak specifically about a single version of the activity, and then claiming that that version is relevant to all of them.
And obviously your statements haven't been obvious, because while I've been reading what you said, I haven't understood that you were referring to players just randomly finding groups of 3 enemies to throw themselves at with no chance at backup. How could I? You never indicated such until this post. The closest you came to it was:
There is no way someone doesn't know that diving a 1v3 will result in a death when they are already behind.
Which makes me think of the Leona or Nautilus who's behind, but engages on 3 anyway because they think the rest of the team will follow up on it and make it worth.
Now, to refer to the extremely specific situation that you are now talking about: Assuming that such activity is perpetuated throughout the game, then yes, it's almost certainly intentional feeding and therefore toxic.
But in the general sense that every prior post of your thread seems to imply, no, merely having a high number of deaths is not inherently intentionally feeding, nor is it inherently toxic. Although it does tend to provoke unnecessary toxicity.
FaceOfDerp3 votesIt applies to intentional feeding. If you're having a shit game and you feed, I don't believe it's toxic. However if you go on tilt and start running down mid and die a million times with no results, that's certainly toxic.
Nucleophilic atk1 votesWell, for me it depends on how badly you feed in your "shit game". I think going 2/15 is toxic even if you are not intentionally running down the middle of the map lol.
redniwediS2 votesToxicity describes player behavior, not player skill which is better described (but not perfectly described) by KD ratios. Feeding can be accompanied by toxicity, but is not a toxic act in and of itself. Intentional feeding, however, is toxic.
Nucleophilic atk2 votesSee, I thought toxicity was defined as something that creates a toxic environment of play.
redniwediS1 votesYou would be correct in saying that, however the reason a bad score creates a toxic environment is not because of the score, it is because of people who react poorly to that score existing. If it was tied to the score itself there would be no possibility of having a completely friendly match where someone plays horribly.
Nucleophilic atk1 votesI see where you are coming from there. The same thing can be said about toxic language, however. The only reason toxic language creates a toxic environment is because of the people who react poorly to it. For example, you could simply mute someone that says something like wtf noob, and have a completely friendly game. Or, someone can say wtf noob, and you go, "yeah that was stupid, ill play better", then play better and have a completely friendly game ( i have seen this happen).
Drunk Rummate3 votesthere's a difference between having a bad game and intentionally feeding.
i usually base it off of how they're dying. like if they're dying in team fights a lot, or they just had a rough lane (0-3ish) and couldn't recover, that's one thing because it often leads to future deaths as well. if they're dying under enemy turrets or in the enemy jungle without a teammate that's another, and I'll probably report them.