Need help with plat 5-4

FortisDominus·Sep 3, 2016·1 votes·428 views

I must be doing something wrong because I dont know what to do. Instead of advancing, it feels like the players here got worse than when i was climbing through gold which I do very fast. On 1 of my accounts I even skipped gold 4 and gold 2. however, once I get to plat MMR it feels like im stuck. The players here actually play worse than when I was climbing, is it tilt? Is it boosted players? Is it ego? I'm not going to say I dont have bad games, but I dont feel like im playing badly most games. Advice? 2 accounts are at this elo after flying through gold and i truly have no idea what to do. I thought playing through gold again would teach me something, but nothing changed.

8 Comments

plaidbeaverSep 3, 20161 votes

The lower divisions of every tier are always the most difficult to climb out of, especially if your MMR isn't high. Many people get lazy when they hit a new tier and stagnate. Dynamic queue will solve a lot of your problems if you can find motivated players who want to improve. Shotcall as much as possible, because without a dedicated shotcaller, everyone will run around with their heads cut off in most of your games. Helpful, but not necessary, you can also main a role and champion to promote muscle memory and improve your micro play.

There are many things you can do to increase your potential to climb. Taking action against the laziness of your teammates is the most important in the low divisions of each tier.

FortisDominusSep 3, 20161 votes

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The lower divisions of every tier are always the most difficult to climb out of, especially if your MMR isn't high. Many people get lazy when they hit a new tier and stagnate. Dynamic queue will solve a lot of your problems if you can find motivated players who want to improve. Shotcall as much as possible, because without a dedicated shotcaller, everyone will run around with their heads cut off in most of your games. Helpful, but not necessary, you can also main a role and champion to promote muscle memory and improve your micro play.

There are many things you can do to increase your potential to climb. Taking action against the laziness of your teammates is the most important in the low divisions of each tier.

I dont like to DQ with other people, I feel like wins are not deserved when I win with a friend. But thanks for the reply. I also dont like to type things in chat to tell my teammates what to do and shot call because most have huge ego's and would rather feed than do what I say. If I say we can take dragon after killing bot lane, most of the time my bot lane will ignore me and back so they can get back to lane faster. If I am being invaded and he passes a ward into my jungle and I ping, they dont care enough to move and help me because they dont want to lose farm in their lanes /:

plaidbeaverSep 3, 20162 votes

They are very much deserved. This game is not about battling against your teammates, but rather working with them. If you queue with a friend around your skill level, you are ensuring that spot will not be taken by someone who is toxic or doesn't care about the game.

I am a very vocal player and shotcaller in most of my games. I use pings very often, without spamming, and I ping cooldowns a lot. In addition, I lay out the plan for the game and let my teammates know when to fight. They won't always listen, and sometimes they will reply with aggression, but this is just another variable you have to work around. Maybe try not directing your calls to players who are obviously anti social and tilted. One thing is certain, at least two people working together is always better than 5 players running around like chickens.

FortisDominusSep 3, 20161 votes

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They are very much deserved. This game is not about battling against your teammates, but rather working with them. If you queue with a friend around your skill level, you are ensuring that spot will not be taken by someone who is toxic or doesn't care about the game.

I am a very vocal player and shotcaller in most of my games. I use pings very often, without spamming, and I ping cooldowns a lot. In addition, I lay out the plan for the game and let my teammates know when to fight. They won't always listen, and sometimes they will reply with aggression, but this is just another variable you have to work around. Maybe try not directing your calls to players who are obviously anti social and tilted. One thing is certain, at least two people working together is always better than 5 players running around like chickens.

Thanks man, Should I just try playing with random people I had a good time with? I dont have anyone added on my accounts except one irl friend XD

plaidbeaverSep 3, 20161 votes

People won't add you after a game unless you put on a godlike performance, and those people tend to be rank leeches. Sometimes you can find a solid player though, so when you do make sure to add them. Your best bet is to find someone on the forums with the same mentality as you, who wants to climb and try their best. Evaluate their history, question their motives, and in time you will find the perfect duos for you.

jaymc1130Sep 3, 20161 votes

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People won't add you after a game unless you put on a godlike performance, and those people tend to be rank leeches. Sometimes you can find a solid player though, so when you do make sure to add them. Your best bet is to find someone on the forums with the same mentality as you, who wants to climb and try their best. Evaluate their history, question their motives, and in time you will find the perfect duos for you.

The boards also feature a "recruitment" sub board, op. You can always find talented and positive players there and on the GD subboard where many of us long time high level player board vets tend to hang out for fun.

jaymc1130Sep 3, 20161 votes

Platinum range MMR is called "Troll City". And with good reason.

From p5-d5 you will experience having every game trolled in every possible way, almost always deliberately, for the sole purpose of frustrating players who are actually attempting to climb.

You aren't delusional. You aren't going crazy. Players in platinum play worse than in any other ELO range and its done on purpose because the majority of that range is highly egotistical about still being in low elo while simultaneously thinking no one they play with deserves to be ranked any higher. So they play worse, think worse, act worse, pick and ban worse.

I usually need about 150-200 games to take an account from unranked to diamond. I spend about 120 of those games going from plat 5-d5.

For example:

On oOBestEveNaOo this season I managed this in my placement matches and my way through gold 3-1:

https://i.gyazo.com/08bea8a0a81b7efb7df3dc6f524ed733.png

I did not earn a skip to plat because I had managed to lose 1 game in my last 4 from gold 1 0 LP to gold 1 100 LP (rip win streak skip). At this point I had a peak MMR of 2125 (roughly high d5, low d4 level.

I then proceed to get trolled in the next 100 some odd games straight, sometimes (more often than not actually, just bad luck) I had the troll on my team, some times it was on the opposing team. MY performance didn't change much in the slightest. But in the end I went from that w/l ratio to this:

https://i.gyazo.com/7ef69628a82580904319a636ab10f2d8.png

Having to play through hundreds of games with things like:

Intentional feeders https://i.gyazo.com/219e4f31f11552062df24e2f30d5cc6f.png https://i.gyazo.com/af4c54f8a2c24aaf711062a555ccb260.png https://i.gyazo.com/68990e93df01cbfd7c28985233fca467.png

Challenger players boosting an account https://i.gyazo.com/b6859a3512c6c924c124be0c57ddf6a0.jpg https://i.gyazo.com/b6013a81b059ccdf935a5d4619a93367.png https://i.gyazo.com/0dbe5486a5eb63ede5fd43967b8d8ea6.png (Notice the summoner spell position swap. Only shared accounts ever feature this, and most booster are simply intelligent enough to just remap the d key to the f key and vice versa, this one is not)

Trolls https://i.gyazo.com/0ea3a416d73c33f69963e0444447ac44.png https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/116_w/_d6d96b2fb7a15de5cc59d6b719d1d8a3-png.jpg

And countless Teemo picks by people who simply don't care enough to actually even attempt to win a game. These are just a handful of examples from days where I was mad enough to screen shot and send in tickets to Riot support. Rest assured, every gaming session on the climb up was filled with games just like these. For about 100 or more straight games.

The problem lies in the fact that Riot does absolutely NOTHING about players who troll and intentionally ruin games in the fashion the players from these examples do, they instead choose to ban and punish the players who mention being upset at these types of trolls in chat. I know, that makes no sense. They are allowing the cause of all this toxicity to fester and punishing the victims of the crimes while giving the criminals a shiny medal, I know, i know, we all know. But the reality of the situation is this mate: Trolls and such can ONLY hold a talented player back for a period of time. Not indefinitely. No matter what, I am simply so much more talented as high diamond level player than these tools that I am assured to hit diamond if I can ramp up the sample size of games to an appropriate level that negates all the bad luck from being trolled so many times. The game is a grind for this reason. You kind of just have to accept it, learn to recognize trolls in lobby if possible so you can dodge them, and then spam games until the bad luck stops happening long enough for your skill to actually matter.

FortisDominusSep 3, 20161 votes

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Platinum range MMR is called "Troll City". And with good reason.

From p5-d5 you will experience having every game trolled in every possible way, almost always deliberately, for the sole purpose of frustrating players who are actually attempting to climb.

You aren't delusional. You aren't going crazy. Players in platinum play worse than in any other ELO range and its done on purpose because the majority of that range is highly egotistical about still being in low elo while simultaneously thinking no one they play with deserves to be ranked any higher. So they play worse, think worse, act worse, pick and ban worse.

I usually need about 150-200 games to take an account from unranked to diamond. I spend about 120 of those games going from plat 5-d5.

For example:

On oOBestEveNaOo this season I managed this in my placement matches and my way through gold 3-1:

https://i.gyazo.com/08bea8a0a81b7efb7df3dc6f524ed733.png

I did not earn a skip to plat because I had managed to lose 1 game in my last 4 from gold 1 0 LP to gold 1 100 LP (rip win streak skip). At this point I had a peak MMR of 2125 (roughly high d5, low d4 level.

I then proceed to get trolled in the next 100 some odd games straight, sometimes (more often than not actually, just bad luck) I had the troll on my team, some times it was on the opposing team. MY performance didn't change much in the slightest. But in the end I went from that w/l ratio to this:

https://i.gyazo.com/7ef69628a82580904319a636ab10f2d8.png

Having to play through hundreds of games with things like:

Intentional feeders https://i.gyazo.com/219e4f31f11552062df24e2f30d5cc6f.png https://i.gyazo.com/af4c54f8a2c24aaf711062a555ccb260.png https://i.gyazo.com/68990e93df01cbfd7c28985233fca467.png

Challenger players boosting an account https://i.gyazo.com/b6859a3512c6c924c124be0c57ddf6a0.jpg https://i.gyazo.com/b6013a81b059ccdf935a5d4619a93367.png https://i.gyazo.com/0dbe5486a5eb63ede5fd43967b8d8ea6.png (Notice the summoner spell position swap. Only shared accounts ever feature this, and most booster are simply intelligent enough to just remap the d key to the f key and vice versa, this one is not)

Trolls https://i.gyazo.com/0ea3a416d73c33f69963e0444447ac44.png https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/116_w/_d6d96b2fb7a15de5cc59d6b719d1d8a3-png.jpg

And countless Teemo picks by people who simply don't care enough to actually even attempt to win a game. These are just a handful of examples from days where I was mad enough to screen shot and send in tickets to Riot support. Rest assured, every gaming session on the climb up was filled with games just like these. For about 100 or more straight games.

The problem lies in the fact that Riot does absolutely NOTHING about players who troll and intentionally ruin games in the fashion the players from these examples do, they instead choose to ban and punish the players who mention being upset at these types of trolls in chat. I know, that makes no sense. They are allowing the cause of all this toxicity to fester and punishing the victims of the crimes while giving the criminals a shiny medal, I know, i know, we all know. But the reality of the situation is this mate: Trolls and such can ONLY hold a talented player back for a period of time. Not indefinitely. No matter what, I am simply so much more talented as high diamond level player than these tools that I am assured to hit diamond if I can ramp up the sample size of games to an appropriate level that negates all the bad luck from being trolled so many times. The game is a grind for this reason. You kind of just have to accept it, learn to recognize trolls in lobby if possible so you can dodge them, and then spam games until the bad luck stops happening long enough for your skill to actually matter.

I do find bot lanes that dont win lane, just feed their ass off, so I just camp the fuck out of them and win them their lane and leave top lane on an island. If I dont do this it just seems like bot lane will feed their asses off. So I just have to hold their hand and hope my top laners can walk on their own. When I do have a top laner who didnt lose lane, I win that game flat out. Mostly because the enemies adc afk farms because they get so titled off being camped all game.

I really dont like plat, its very frustrating

Also, no one wards in this elo <.<