I swear you guys love triggering OCD: Please fix this

Fed by Snu Snu·Nov 13, 2014·40 votes·4,325 views

Please, some consistency on names. "2014" isn't even remotely useful in terms of keeping track of what seasons the ward skins originate this year.

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EleshakaiNov 13, 20149 votes

Please, some consistency on names. "2014" isn't even remotely useful in terms of keeping track of what seasons the ward skins originate this year.

It is going to be consistent. From now on the seasons will be numbered based off of the year. Now that Riot is treating League like a sport, they're using year-based nomenclature in stead of 'season 3' because they're preparing for this to be going long-term.

From now on, in Riot's eyes, it will be 2014 Season, 2015 Season, 2016 Season, 2017 Season, etc. etc.

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 201411 votes

Then change the S3 one. Either way, one of them has to change.

EleshakaiNov 13, 20147 votes

Then change the S3 one. Either way, one of them has to change.

There's no reason to change the S3 one. It WAS Season 3. That's what it was known as. There's no other name for it.

Now iot's the 2014 season, 2015 season, etc...

they changed nomenclature, that doesn't make the change retroactive.

ParinoidPandaNov 13, 20141 votes

Just because it was S3 doesn't mean it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. (i.e. it sticks out like a sore thumb.)

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 201417 votes

I hope you ain't responsible for the documentation of files in your workplace.

NarasimhaNov 13, 20149 votes

If your company changes policy, you don't go back and edit the old files. You just make a note "This is when the change happened. Everything from this point on will be using the new format."

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 20146 votes

You do when you change policy after ONE file.

EleshakaiNov 13, 20143 votes

You do when you change policy after ONE file.

It was actually after 3. Season 1, Season 2, Season 3. Unfortunately, Seasons 1 and 2 lasted more than 1 year, so going back and renaming everything that referenced earlier seasons to use the new nomenclature would be impossible. The old nomenclature was shortsighted of them, they realize this and now wish to correct it... so they've made the change and are going forward with it... but it's actually impossible to make it retroactive, so they don't.

OathbríngerNov 13, 20141 votes

It's impossible for them to edit their own content? Girl, please.

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 20142 votes

Actually, it isn't because he is posting false information.

Season 1 and 2 didn't last more than a year.

S1 started July 13, 2010 and ended August 23 2013. That's still only a little above a 1 year period.

Season 2 started November 29 2011 and ended November 12 2012.

No season has ever lasted significant amount of time more than a year.

Additionally, that point is mute, because, even though S1 and S2 might have had some differences on the format, S3 didn't.

S3 followed the exact same schedule as S4. So they are similar in that regard and no difference is created other than the naming.

EleshakaiNov 13, 20142 votes

Actually, it isn't because he is posting false information.

Season 1 and 2 didn't last more than a year.

S1 started July 13, 2010 and ended August 23 2013. That's still only a little above a 1 year period.

Season 2 started November 29 2011 and ended November 12 2012.

No season has ever lasted significant amount of time more than a year.

Additionally, that point is mute, because, even though S1 and S2 might have had some differences on the format, S3 didn't.

S3 followed the exact same schedule as S4. So they are similar in that regard and no difference is created other than the naming.

sorry I should've said SPANNED more than 1 year, mistake in my speaking. I apologize for that poor wording. Either way, you couldn't refer to them as the 2011 or 2010 seasons because they didn't have that format.

And again, there's no reason to go back and rename them. Season 3 WAS Season 3. The 2014 season WAS the 2014 season. Thus both names are appropriate and valid. The 2013 season never existed, and SEason 4 only existed for a short time before being renamed as the 2014 season.

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 20143 votes

True, they didn't have that, but they also didn't have a ward reward or any reward that requires different wording.

S3 on the other hand, did follow the exact same format, so there is virtually no difference other than the name.

And yes, both names are appropriate, but they aren't consistent.

You just said yourself that S4 existed initially and then got renamed to 2014. Same thing can happen to S3, just as easily and the ward won't look out of place.

Having S3 and 2014-2015-2016 is much more confusing for people to watch actually unless they have been there to earn it, because there is no indication whatsoever of when that reward stems from compared to the others.

EleshakaiNov 13, 20141 votes

True, they didn't have that, but they also didn't have a ward reward or any reward that requires different wording.

S3 on the other hand, did follow the exact same format, so there is virtually no difference other than the name.

And yes, both names are appropriate, but they aren't consistent.

You just said yourself that S4 existed initially and then got renamed to 2014. Same thing can happen to S3, just as easily and the ward won't look out of place.

Having S3 and 2014-2015-2016 is much more confusing for people to watch actually unless they have been there to earn it, because there is no indication whatsoever of when that reward stems from compared to the others.

First of all, people who weren't there to earn it will NEVER see it, since you only have access to it if you were there. So that's irrelevant.

Having S1/S2/2013 will be just as confusing as having S1/S2/S3/2014. I don't see any difference between them at all as far as 'confusion' goes. The only difference in my eyes is that one requires them to back and retroactively edit a bunch of things that reference S3 as S3 and change them to say 2013... that's a waste of time that I'd honestly rather they NOT spend man hours on... there are much better uses of their time than that, in my eyes.

It's not a matter of fanboyihng, it's a matter of efficiency. This is a ridiculous request that would require them to take someone off some actual important task to have them go through and clean up all references of S3 to make them 'consistent' with current nomenclature, which would still leave us with two seasons that weren't consistent and COULDN'T be consistent so it's kind of pointless.

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 20142 votes

Not really, because S3 follows the same format as "2014". We have already established that.

S1 and S2 don't, so there's a noticeable difference there that signifies the change of pace and format.

If anything, that's more a reason to change it, because S3 is the one that started this format, so it should be the starting point in that regard.

Moreover, if they spent man "hours" to change Finales Fulken while doing other stuff, they can sure change this.

Also, Riot isn't efficient either way, that's already established the past few years.

EleshakaiNov 13, 20141 votes

Not really, because S3 follows the same format as "2014". We have already established that.

S1 and S2 don't, so there's a noticeable difference there that signifies the change of pace and format.

If anything, that's more a reason to change it, because S3 is the one that started this format, so it should be the starting point in that regard.

Moreover, if they spent man "hours" to change Finales Fulken while doing other stuff, they can sure change this.

Also, Riot isn't efficient either way, that's already established the past few years.

Nobody who wasn't around for S3/S2/S1 is going to care that the format changed between S1/S2 and S3. So there's no reason to change S3 to be different from S2/S1. It serves no purpose, and at this point you're just digging for reasons to justify what you're asking for, even if it makes no sense.

They CAN, but I'd rather they not. And if Riot's not efficient already, why would you want to add MORE inefficient and pointless tasks to their queue to make them LESS efficient?

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 20141 votes

Because it would at least be a show of good will towards becoming efficient, first of all.

And I'm not digging for reasons, I'm only pointing out that your objections actually have arguments tied to them that actually strengthen that at least the S3 ward is to be renamed if this is the format that is going to be enforced from now on.

JubbinautNov 13, 20141 votes

Additionally, that point is mute, because, even though S1 and S2 might have had some differences on the format, S3 didn't.

I'm confused. Do you mean that the point is silent? I don't see how that relates to the rest of what you're saying.

Or do you mean the point is "moot," meaning it's "subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty, and typically not admitting of a final decision," instead? Because I'm not sure that really connects with what you're saying, either.

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 20146 votes

Only season 3 had a ward, there is nothing else that references earlier seasons other than the Victorious skins, which never stopped being called "Victorious" in order to mess things up. So yes, they only have ONE thing to change.

And yes, it is perfectly possible to change the names of older files. Same way they changed the names of Lux' ultimate and close to all of Twitch's skills. They are just files.

PadagiNov 13, 20143 votes

Season 3 is known as Season 3. 2014 Season is known as 2014 Season.

They're not going to go back and change the name of Season 3 (and likewise not change this season's name) just because you're OCD. They're respectively known as Season 3 and 2014 Season.

Regardless of whether you have one or fifty records in the past, you don't go changing the names of historical events just because you change the current + future naming convention.

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 20144 votes

Actually, yes, you do, because it makes research easier in the future. Especially when it's as easy as only one impostor.

I'd rather have some serious reasons instead of laziness and novelty that makes no sense because it's not spread out over a big amount of time. This wasn't a football league that lasted for 50 years and then changed name. It was 1 year that the ward was named like that.

PadagiNov 13, 20143 votes

Actually, yes, you do, because it makes research easier in the future. Especially when it's as easy as only one impostor.

I'd rather have some serious reasons instead of laziness and novelty that makes no sense because it's not spread out over a big amount of time. This wasn't a football league that lasted for 50 years and then changed name. It was 1 year that the ward was named like that.

Okay... Then can you explain to me what 2013 Season is? Because it didn't exist.

Likewise, can you explain what Season 4 is? Because it didn't exist, either.

So how can two seasons' rewards which have different naming conventions share the same naming convention?! Basically, if you change the names of either ward, the ward name makes no sense.

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 20144 votes

Actually,I can.

The 2013 season was S3, because S3 happened in the year 2013.

I know that logic is too hard for some people, but I think this is within everyone's capabilities.

In short, yes, the ward would make perfect sense, since it was rewarded for the season that took place in the year 2013, the way documentation got to be done later.

EleshakaiNov 13, 20142 votes

Only season 3 had a ward, there is nothing else that references earlier seasons other than the Victorious skins, which never stopped being called "Victorious" in order to mess things up. So yes, they only have ONE thing to change.

And yes, it is perfectly possible to change the names of older files. Same way they changed the names of Lux' ultimate and close to all of Twitch's skills. They are just files.

Except there are references in documents, in documentaries, in websites, etc.

They're not going to go back and edit EVERYTHING that references season 3. And trust me, if they start changing ONE thing that references it, you can damnwell bet there'll be someone out there who cries 'but you changed this and now it's inconsistent with this'... and then people will complain about Season 2 being out of line with season 3, and etc.

Yes it's the slippery slope fallacy, but you've yourself just proven it has merit by complaining about such an absurdly minor thing.

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 20143 votes

We've already established that Season 2 and 1 have nothing out of line with the current seasons, because the Victorious skins are still called like that.

Season 3 will also have nothing else out of line, because there were 2 rewards, the skin and the ward skin. Once again, the skin was called victorious.

There is no slippery slope, because there is nothing else down the slope.

And you've proven you are a fanboy by trying to defend Riot so desperately on something so minor as bad documentation with such a low value fallacy that has no substance whatsoever. My complain might be minor, but it's legit. Your objection isn't.

EleshakaiNov 13, 20141 votes

We've already established that Season 2 and 1 have nothing out of line with the current seasons, because the Victorious skins are still called like that.

Season 3 will also have nothing else out of line, because there were 2 rewards, the skin and the ward skin. Once again, the skin was called victorious.

There is no slippery slope, because there is nothing else down the slope.

And you've proven you are a fanboy by trying to defend Riot so desperately on something so minor as bad documentation with such a low value fallacy that has no substance whatsoever. My complain might be minor, but it's legit. Your objection isn't.

No, there are plenty of other references to season three. You have only to look through old documents, webpages, etc. ... it's referred to as season 3 everywhere.

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 20144 votes

There are plenty of pages that refer to the previous season as S4 as well.

Got anything to say about them? Should we sue them and remove them?

Ruzhy6Nov 13, 20144 votes

Retroactively changing formats would just lead to confusion. It's not bad documenting. It's just literally changing how people will look at the seasons in the future. It gives more definition for when people should expect seasons to start and end. This is Riot's way of saying that there are many seasons to come.

Another thought that comes to mind is the changing of roman numerals to just regular numerals for the super bowl.

In both cases it was identified that the prior system could be improved upon.

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 20143 votes

Point is, S3 followed the same time schedule, so it doesn't create confusion on that regard to change it to a different name.

Know what the difference between S3 and S4 was?

The ward names.

That's their only differences.

The skins are called the same. They follow the same time schedule. They use the same division/tier system, with the inclusion of master's later in S4.

What's different?

The name.

So, changing the name of S3 wouldn't create any confusion whatsoever, although I can understand your point of view regarding S1 and S2 alone.

jbano2Nov 13, 20143 votes

Only season 3 had a ward, there is nothing else that references earlier seasons other than the Victorious skins, which never stopped being called "Victorious" in order to mess things up. So yes, they only have ONE thing to change.

And yes, it is perfectly possible to change the names of older files. Same way they changed the names of Lux' ultimate and close to all of Twitch's skills. They are just files.

I can also think of another reference to the earlier season being just a number and season 2014 being the year, the summoner icons. All earlier ones had the season on it, this years though has the year on it. So are you saying they need to change all past icons ( and the pro team icons as well as i believe last years III on it while this years have 2014 on it). this is just quick example, but there are probably others.

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 20143 votes

That's a fair point actually and a strong one.

No, they don't, because their identity consists only of their appearance and not a name.

jbano2Nov 13, 20141 votes

okay. Why then is the theme of appearance allowed to be inconstant, but the naming not allowed to be inconstant. Yes changing a file name is easier, but then you have inconsistencies within riot referring to the season as both season 3 and season 2013, which i think would make your OCD state also unhappy. Though many outside people have called last season season 4 and next season season 5, riot has been consistently using season 2014 and now season 2015, for this and the next season

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 20142 votes

Because one is a matter of artistic approach, while the other is documentation.

And no, calling season as 2013 wouldnt trigger OCD, because S3 did happen in 2013. As a matter of reference, both are understandable, but having the ward names next to each does conflict with each other.

jbano2Nov 13, 20141 votes

Okay one might be of documentation, all of there internal documentation likely refers to it as season 3 and season 2014 respectfully. So if they wanted to change the ward skin to season 2013 instead of 3, they would then become inconsistent in there own naming scheme, which could lead to internal problems, having different names for things from the same season. for example the summoner icon might be named something like bronzeseaons3icon.jpg and bronzeseaons2014icon.jpg.

Also I disagree with he ward names conflicting with each other. They are named for the season they were earned, they just changed the name of the season. Out of curiosity would calling the ward skins season 3 ... and season 2014 ... be any better for you, as they both clearly name the season given?

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 20141 votes

That would probably also suffice, yes, the absence of the word "season" alone might be a main culprit of seeming so out of place.

GlamazonNov 13, 20141 votes

Excellent point. The OPs argument is invalid.

LakhasluckNov 13, 20141 votes

i feel you bro they really need to change one of them

2 Shiv Or Not Nov 14, 20146 votes

Know whats worse for people with OCD? I'd adivse you not read if you have OCD as you will never unsee it....

EMOFRATPARTYNov 14, 20142 votes

Why did I click...

TheI3igDaddyNov 13, 20143 votes

http://www.stylingo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Family-guy-You-must-change.jpg

RomanMVPNov 14, 20143 votes

Season names by number is worlds more meaningful than a year. League will not last 50 years like football. You don't need to handle season information in a way that 50 years of league would require. Season numbers add more relevancy to what we would talk about in terms of "hey, he was season 2 world champion. Hey season 4 was amazing wasn't it?"

You don't quite know what someone is talking about immediately when they say "Hey, he was 2011 world champion." Will you also think off the top of your head "Hey, he was a part of CLG in 2017" instead of "Hey, he was a part of CLG in Season 6"

It's a matter of meaningfulness vs. convenience, and theres plenty of convenience in the season numbers because we won't have 50 seasons of league.

EleshakaiNov 14, 20141 votes

Season names by number is worlds more meaningful than a year. League will not last 50 years like football. You don't need to handle season information in a way that 50 years of league would require. Season numbers add more relevancy to what we would talk about in terms of "hey, he was season 2 world champion. Hey season 4 was amazing wasn't it?"

You don't quite know what someone is talking about immediately when they say "Hey, he was 2011 world champion." Will you also think off the top of your head "Hey, he was a part of CLG in 2017" instead of "Hey, he was a part of CLG in Season 6"

It's a matter of meaningfulness vs. convenience, and theres plenty of convenience in the season numbers because we won't have 50 seasons of league.

I disagree. I think that year-based is more meaningful long-term. If they're planning for this to even hit a tenth season(which I think is entirely reasonable), I think that at that point years provide a better frame of reference than numbers.

CaeziumNov 13, 20142 votes

Seriously... Why Riot. Consistency please.

ZaganJusticeNov 13, 20142 votes

Upvoted, because this is one of the funniest things I've read today.

DurzakaNov 13, 20142 votes

They are changing the naming they are using to explain seasons. Next years ward will not say season 5, it will say 2015.

They arent going to go and change the name of the old stuff now though. Because when it came out, it WAS referred to as season 3, not 2013.

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 20143 votes

But it still was the 2013 season, so if you change documentation, it only makes sense. Especially since it's only one case that needs editing and not 100.

Also, it stands out ridiculously on the shop for those who have it.

If you want to find excuses for such extreme amounts of laziness, sure, go ahead.

DurzakaNov 13, 20141 votes

But it still was the 2013 season, so if you change documentation, it only makes sense. Especially since it's only one case that needs editing and not 100.

Also, it stands out ridiculously on the shop for those who have it.

If you want to find excuses for such extreme amounts of laziness, sure, go ahead.

It was not the 2013 season when it happened though. It was season 3. Change that now, and how do you know 2013 means season 3?

They are trying to do away with calling them seasons, but retroactively changing the names doesnt help. it makes it a hard abrupt change, giving people no time to get used to it.

Fed by Snu SnuNov 13, 20142 votes

S3 was the 2013 season. S4 was the 2014 season. S5 will be the 2015 season. And so on.

So it's perfectly legit to call S3 the 2013 season, because, i know it sounds surprising, but it took place in 2013.

RailiosNov 14, 20141 votes

But it still was the 2013 season, so if you change documentation, it only makes sense. Especially since it's only one case that needs editing and not 100.

Also, it stands out ridiculously on the shop for those who have it.

If you want to find excuses for such extreme amounts of laziness, sure, go ahead.

It was not the 2013 season when it happened though. It was season 3. Change that now, and how do you know 2013 means season 3?

They are trying to do away with calling them seasons, but retroactively changing the names doesnt help. it makes it a hard abrupt change, giving people no time to get used to it.

You need how much time to get used to something that happened years ago and wont happen again? Is changing the number 3 to 201+3 "2013" some advanced concept past the mind of humans? The same people that need to calculate numbers constantly in this game. Also some of you are defending this with more text than it would take to just fix it to 2013.