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we need to be able to reset our Elo/MMR

Phuc Dat Bich··4 votes·629 views

What do i mean we need an option that you could buy with RP or IP (probably RP) that would allow you to reset your ELO/MMR back to 1200 (like the season reset)

And in order to people not abuse it make it "In order to reset your elo you would need to have play at least 100 ranked games"

In that way people wouldnt do their promos and if they fail they would do them again!

Now why i say that we need that

Because if you are kinda unlucky and you eat a big lose streak your MMR is over and you cant fix it any more so you stack in one division for ever (You take 14 per win you lose 30 per lost) so in order to fix a mmr like that you would need to have 200% win ratio on your game with 0% lost ratio..yeah that not gonna happen!

With the reset option people would have the option to go all the way back to 1200 elo and to climb again normally and to escape from the MMR !

Because that what "elo hell" is when you destroy your MMR because of luck or what ever you stack in one division till the end of the season!

What you guy think?

21 Comments

LeBlanc Jameś4 votes

When I started playing this game I could not wait to be 30 so I could play ranked.

I was very bad. I hit 30 and entered rank. I was placed Bronze 3.. I thought, wow that's not fair.,.. I then fell all the way to the depths of Bronze 5.. Why? I asked myself.. The answer.. because I was that bad.

You know what I did? I read guides.. watched streamers.... practiced... and did my best to learn the game. Am I a pro now? No... and I never will be... that's not my goal..However, I was able to climb from Bronze 5 to Gold 3 where I sit now.... I have fluctuated in gold not because of my team, but because that is my solo skill level.

There is no reason or need for someone to reset their MMR.... You are where you are because you can't play your way out. When you gain the ability to climb.. you will climb.

Godhri1 votes

Completely agree. Although I don't know the bronze struggle since I placed Silver 3 in my first placement, I did exactly what you did to get better.

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

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When I started playing this game I could not wait to be 30 so I could play ranked.

I was very bad. I hit 30 and entered rank. I was placed Bronze 3.. I thought, wow that's not fair.,.. I then fell all the way to the depths of Bronze 5.. Why? I asked myself.. The answer.. because I was that bad.

You know what I did? I read guides.. watched streamers.... practiced... and did my best to learn the game. Am I a pro now? No... and I never will be... that's not my goal..However, I was able to climb from Bronze 5 to Gold 3 where I sit now.... I have fluctuated in gold not because of my team, but because that is my solo skill level.

There is no reason or need for someone to reset their MMR.... You are where you are because you can't play your way out. When you gain the ability to climb.. you will climb.

dude i am diamond~! But i dont talk about when you are bad and you cant climb i talk about when you have a bad losing streak and you destroy the MMR if you destroy your MMR you need 200% win ratio and 0% lost ratio in order to become EVEN again with the division you are now~!

That its not possible! With the elo reset it would help this type of problems!!

The bad player would remain bad and the pro would remain pro nothing would change it would just give the option to someone who was unlucky (and dont even try to say that some ranked games is not luck i play this game almost from the day one and i was high elo except season 1 that i was gold 1639 elo and i have play in 3 servers trust me i know more) to fix the MMR problem!

Jubbinaut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Müerte Vs Ámor,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=m1YKezpa,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2015-03-25T18:13:05.590+0000)

dude i am diamond~! But i dont talk about when you are bad and you cant climb i talk about when you have a bad losing streak and you destroy the MMR if you destroy your MMR you need 200% win ratio and 0% lost ratio in order to become EVEN again with the division you are now~!

There is no situation where you need to win more games than you can play to improve.

MMR changes are static - a win increases your MMR by the same amount that a loss reduces it. As such, even if you go on a long losing streak, all you need to bring your MMR back to where it was is an equally long win streak - or any combination of games that balances your wins and losses from where you started.

LP changes, on the other hand, are dynamic - they adjust based on a comparison of your current MMR with what's expected of your current rank.

The system isn't perfect, by any means, but it does work. It can be slow, and it can be frustrating, but it does the job it's designed for. All that's required to increase rank is time and maintaining a >50% win rate. The greater the win rate, the faster you rise.

That its not possible! With the elo reset it would help this type of problems!!

Perhaps it would help a few niche cases, but it would create a whole slew of new problems for others. And I'm not entirely sure that the abuse cases would be worth saving some time for a handful of statistical outliers.

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

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There is no situation where you need to win more games than you can play to improve.

MMR changes are static - a win increases your MMR by the same amount that a loss reduces it. As such, even if you go on a long losing streak, all you need to bring your MMR back to where it was is an equally long win streak - or any combination of games that balances your wins and losses from where you started.

LP changes, on the other hand, are dynamic - they adjust based on a comparison of your current MMR with what's expected of your current rank.

The system isn't perfect, by any means, but it does work. It can be slow, and it can be frustrating, but it does the job it's designed for. All that's required to increase rank is time and maintaining a >50% win rate. The greater the win rate, the faster you rise.

Perhaps it would help a few niche cases, but it would create a whole slew of new problems for others. And I'm not entirely sure that the abuse cases would be worth saving some time for a handful of statistical outliers.

well as you say you need an "equally" long win streak! That mean that lets say you have 12 losts in the row (even NB3 was having a 20 lost streak and drop all the way down from challenger to diamond 2) so it can happen to anyone this mean that you would need a 12 wins in the row this is 120% win ratio in the row that cant be happen! so now your LP would stack to +10 per win -30 per lost so you pretty much stack in one division for ever no matter what!

Now as you say yeah people may find some ways to abuse it (i think i already solve the promos abuse) now they may find more ways to abuse it but i am pretty sure riot can fix this abuses and release an option like that for test to see how it would work!

I dont know i feel that this would be good for the community i dont think anyone would get hurt and i dont think anyone would go higher than he/she deserve to be!

Jubbinaut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Müerte Vs Ámor,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=m1YKezpa,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2015-03-25T21:56:10.898+0000)

well as you say you need an "equally" long win streak! That mean that lets say you have 12 losts in the row (even NB3 was having a 20 lost streak and drop all the way down from challenger to diamond 2) so it can happen to anyone this mean that you would need a 12 wins in the row this is 120% win ratio in the row that cant be happen! so now your LP would stack to +10 per win -30 per lost so you pretty much stack in one division for ever no matter what!

I'm not sure how you're getting 120% win ratio - that would be winning 12 out of 10 games.

Assume the "starting point" to be just before the first game of your losing streak. You then lose 12 games, and then win 12 games. So your win ratio (that's wins/total games) is 50%. And your MMR breaks even.

There's other possibilities as well. For example: Lose 12, win 6, lose 2, win 4, lose 1, win 3, lose 1, win 3 - 16 total wins, 16 total losses, winrate 50%. Basically any combination of games that involves the same number of wins as losses will end with a net change of 0 MMR.

I dont know i feel that this would be good for the community i dont think anyone would get hurt and i dont think anyone would go higher than he/she deserve to be!

Here's the thing: you're concerned about players winding up higher than they should be (which will happen - if players can be unlucky and place lower, then they can also be lucky and place higher). I'm not concerned about that at all.

I'm concerned about players playing significantly below where they belong, and the ramifications of that for the players that are already there. That's the abuse case that worries me.

LeBlanc Jameś1 votes

That's awesome that you are Diamond... I don't think this makes a difference. I hope you're not getting angry with my comment because all I did was try and share with you my experience.

I agree that a lesser skilled player would remain at lower elo and a more skilled player would reach a higher elo. However, even with your losing streak you should be able to go on an equal winning streak to balance it out. As you said, you play on 3 servers and know more right? You know this is accurate and you know you have the ability to go on crazy win streaks. I am only a Gold player and have streaked 15+ wins. I have also been on the other side of that coin.

Matthias91193 votes

Giving players any ability to artificially manipulate their own rating is an extremely bad idea.

EL HAMSTERO2 votes

players are manipulating it manually anyway

phirestarter2 votes

don't bother, the person is suffering from elodementia and cannot be reasoned with. riot pays a certain percentage of people to look for these types of posts and reply with alarmist nonsense.

Jubbinaut2 votes

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riot pays a certain percentage of people to look for these types of posts and reply with alarmist nonsense.

Source, please?

phirestarter1 votes

Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill

Jubbinaut1 votes

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Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill

If I'm understanding your context right, you're saying "Shills exist, so Riot is using them."

Which... seems silly. So allow me to clarify my question:

What source or evidence do you have that indicates that Riot pays people to lurk on the boards and "reply with alarmist nonsense"?

phirestarter3 votes

One elo reset per season should be allowed for a fee. Of course...

  • the elodelusional HATE this idea, because, according to them, the elosystem is perfection incarnate.

  • and eloboosters HATE this idea because they think it will eat into their business

Eleshakai2 votes

If you've played more than 100 games, you are where you belong in the system. An mmr reset is just you gambling on luck placing you higher than you belong because you think the grass would be greener on the other side. But all it would lead to is you being too high and needing to go on an epic losing streak to go down to where you belong... because the reality is you AREN'T stuck in ELO Hell, other people AREN'T holding you back, and you do in fact belong where you are. Just like everyone else.

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

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If you've played more than 100 games, you are where you belong in the system. An mmr reset is just you gambling on luck placing you higher than you belong because you think the grass would be greener on the other side. But all it would lead to is you being too high and needing to go on an epic losing streak to go down to where you belong... because the reality is you AREN'T stuck in ELO Hell, other people AREN'T holding you back, and you do in fact belong where you are. Just like everyone else.

i can bring you 2 big examples NB3 20 lost streak from challenger down to diamond 2 you telling me that he belong Diamond 2? no he wasent lucky

trick2g 14 games lost streak all the way down to diamond 4 from diamond 1~! he belong diamond 4? no he was unlucky!

But they climb again i am not gonna say that they stack there! My point here that it can happen to anyone! and some times more than once and if that happen more than once your MMR is done for ever for the whole season..i mean i was watching NB3 that it happen for him only one and because he was having 20 lost in the row and he drop from challenger to diamond 2 he was getting +10 LP and he was losing 19 imagine if that happen 2 times to you

you would win +5 and you would lose -30!

rthat why i say an elo reset would help this situation! and no it wouldnt put you higher than you deserve!

Eleshakai3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Müerte Vs Ámor,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=m1YKezpa,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2015-03-25T22:00:55.299+0000)

i can bring you 2 big examples NB3 20 lost streak from challenger down to diamond 2 you telling me that he belong Diamond 2? no he wasent lucky

trick2g 14 games lost streak all the way down to diamond 4 from diamond 1~! he belong diamond 4? no he was unlucky!

But they climb again i am not gonna say that they stack there! My point here that it can happen to anyone! and some times more than once and if that happen more than once your MMR is done for ever for the whole season..i mean i was watching NB3 that it happen for him only one and because he was having 20 lost in the row and he drop from challenger to diamond 2 he was getting +10 LP and he was losing 19 imagine if that happen 2 times to you

you would win +5 and you would lose -30!

rthat why i say an elo reset would help this situation! and no it wouldnt put you higher than you deserve!

That's the point though. THEY DIDN'T GET STUCK THERE. Why? Because they didn't belong there. A losing streak can happen to anyone, but if it happened by bad luck or just a bad day... you won't stay there. If you do, that means you do in fact belong there.

Dedrius1 votes

^What he said, If you cannot re-climb after going on a losing streak then you belong in the lower elo. Last season I was plat 4, went on a losing streak and hit gold 3 where I then went on a massive winning streak and got back to Plat 3.

If you belong higher you will get there, allowing people to reset their elo is just prolonging the fact that they will inevitably end up in the correct spot they are in now.

Dedrius1 votes

^What he said, If you cannot re-climb after going on a losing streak then you belong in the lower elo. Last season I was plat 4, went on a losing streak and hit gold 3 where I was getting 8 LP per win and losing 25 per loss. I then went on a massive winning streak and got back to Plat 3.

If you belong higher you will get there, allowing people to reset their elo is just prolonging the fact that they will inevitably end up in the correct spot they are in now.

Major Sparkles1 votes

Nah. This would make league very much a pay-to-win game. No... just no.

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

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Nah. This would make league very much a pay-to-win game. No... just no.

i dont think so because lets say you have bronze skills no matter how much times you reset your elo you would be always stick in bronze you would never go higher if you cant go higher!

Plus in order to do that many times it mean that you have alot of free time in order to have 100 games again and again and again and again :P

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