So, why is the Donger not a real champ?

Space Bum·May 26, 2015·3 votes·4,892 views

I get this from enemies a lot. Especially after 2 or 3 die trying to dive me. I've never gotten this excuse when playing any other champ.

I even had a Zed tell me this in a 1v1 Custom... A Zed....

35 Comments

RiotOpeliMay 27, 201519 votes

The Donger is real. The Donger is life.

They're just jealous about being killed by a short, smart, furry-person. It's like when bullies throw out shitty insults when they feel threatened and stupid IRL.

All hail the Donger.

YatsufusåMay 27, 20151 votes

I'd only like Donger if I had Blast Zone. The rest of his skins are ridiculously ugly.

Space BumMay 27, 20153 votes

pshhhhh I like my Hazmat skin

Rico Jungle OnlyMay 27, 20152 votes

(Offers magnetic box wrench as Tribute...)

Commit SudokuMay 27, 20153 votes

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The Donger is real. The Donger is life.

They're just jealous about being killed by a short, smart, furry-person. It's like when bullies throw out shitty insults when they feel threatened and stupid IRL.

All hail the Donger.

but how is it fair turrets are still active when heimer dies though he loses a fight he can still put out crazy damage for a good 8 seconds. It takes no effort to deal damage in a team fight even if he gets killed immediately sure I think it is fair for his ult turret to keep truckin but the other 3 is just part of the reason that people think he doesn't take skill.

RiotOpeliMay 27, 201510 votes

damn a Heimer must've really gotten to you huh

DrackolusMay 27, 20153 votes

Ouch Laid out by Rito

Commit SudokuMay 28, 20151 votes

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damn a Heimer must've really gotten to you huh

no not really i haven't seen heimer in a really long time

HeraldOfDemaciaMay 28, 20151 votes

You actually have an amazingly good point. Heimer gets to do damage for as long as his turrets last even after death, but an adc can die with an autoattack in the air and it magically disappears. Please make up your mind.

RIP Tahm KenchMay 28, 20151 votes

Well the same thing can happen to Vel too, If you QWE right before you die, both the W and E fizzle.

Commit SudokuMay 28, 20151 votes

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You actually have an amazingly good point. Heimer gets to do damage for as long as his turrets last even after death, but an adc can die with an autoattack in the air and it magically disappears. Please make up your mind.

it was fired b4 death it is fine, its not like an adcs body is shooting you for 8 seconds after death

HeraldOfDemaciaMay 28, 20151 votes

Unless you get ulted by Mordekaiser. But no seriously, in real life, if two people are shooting at each other and one of them kills the other with their bullet still traveling, that bullet is not going to just disappear. It's going to keep going and hit the person. Late game, if it's a crit, then you're losing out on ~400 damage depending on the target which is definitely enough to change the outcome of a fight.

Commit SudokuMay 26, 20154 votes

probably people think he is so easy a toddler can play him put turrets on the ground profit. takes nearly 0 mechanical prowess to use

Space BumMay 26, 20152 votes

You have to know how to kite properly and stun.

DragfinMay 26, 20156 votes

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probably people think he is so easy a toddler can play him put turrets on the ground profit. takes nearly 0 mechanical prowess to use

Just to add to this for those people that do not use their brains god gave them in their day to day lives. There are actually champs in league that require the skill of thought. AKA using the brain god gave you. Heimer is one of those champs that require brain power to use. Slapping down turrets whenever and wherever is not going to win games as Heimer.

Space BumMay 26, 20151 votes

Some situations you preplace some you place after initiation. Have to predict if they are going to get taken out by aoe burst. I've started getting the pink trinket for death bushes. Have to get the spacing and angle right for your lane setup for if they have aoe or inline damage.

Commit SudokuMay 27, 20151 votes

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Just to add to this for those people that do not use their brains god gave them in their day to day lives. There are actually champs in league that require the skill of thought. AKA using the brain god gave you. Heimer is one of those champs that require brain power to use. Slapping down turrets whenever and wherever is not going to win games as Heimer.

still turrets do all the work and you get a TON of room to make mistakes because when you die they dont even deactivate immediately

DragfinMay 27, 20153 votes

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still turrets do all the work and you get a TON of room to make mistakes because when you die they dont even deactivate immediately

Remember the brain god gave you and use it to take out the turrets before diving heimer. Not rocket science, but you see it time after time, dumbasses diving heimer when he has 3 turrets up and his ult.

Commit SudokuMay 27, 20151 votes

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Remember the brain god gave you and use it to take out the turrets before diving heimer. Not rocket science, but you see it time after time, dumbasses diving heimer when he has 3 turrets up and his ult.

i do, im just saying that is a reason people complain about him. I literally haven't seen him since i was Silver 3 at the beginning of the season. Higher ELO stomp on him because he is literally pretty garbage without turrets.

DragfinMay 27, 20151 votes

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i do, im just saying that is a reason people complain about him. I literally haven't seen him since i was Silver 3 at the beginning of the season. Higher ELO stomp on him because he is literally pretty garbage without turrets.

You was just a general term. I know people understand how to deal with him. I'm just saying that most people do not because they are brain dead. He's still a PITA even doing that though if the player is a good Heimer.

SirsirMay 27, 20151 votes

True. Its funny, when playing AGAINST donger I know exactly why he is doing what he is doing. When I play AS Donger I'm just like 'turrent here durrr, n a turrent here- Y MORG CLEAR THEM ALL?'

Klatn YeloxMay 27, 20154 votes

Heimer is a champ with most of its difficulty wrapped up in planning and execution, as opposed to mechanical skill. From the start of a game, I have to pick my build to best fit the kind of game I expect to be playing with the team comp I have.

I once had a team of 4 premades, all with good AOE, a good initiator, and an Orianna for the team fight wombos. I rushed a Spirit Visage before my Zhonya's, for the extra health regen, and stayed mid all game, forcing them to sacrifice at least one person to prevent me from taking towers, allowing my team to curb stomp the other four champs while taking objectives. The enemy team raged at me so hard for playing a no-skill champ.

Another time, my team was having a hard time, and lacked coordination. I rushed a Deathcap, and ran death bushes all over the place, using my E-ultimate W combo to get someone down, then pretending to leave to let my turrets take out another. They all raged because it wasn't a fair fight, and there was no counterplay.

See a good Heimerdinger is like a good Singed in a way. The biggest counterplay is to walk away, but the problem is that you can't afford to let him take your towers. So you 5-man fight him. But instead of wasting your time on a wild goose chase, he just walks into a bush, ults at least one of you, and eventually dies, hopefully at the cost of more than one of you. The greatest amount of "real" (mechanical) skill he takes is being able to land the E, and the rest is all in the forethought. Although, the E shouldn't be made light of. It is quite challenging to time right. Unless you are playing against Leblanc. Throw it at her return pad when she dives in, so she either stays inside your turrets, or gets an E-W combo to the face. That'll teach her to pay passive like a lamb after the first few times. God I love playing Leblanc mains. They be like "a;uwipgwebfgoyvbaywegblaybwliuebiwfb iwb I CAN"T EVEN FIGHTsapbasifbadib" and its hilarious. Kinda like playing against Riven as a Garen.

RootworthMay 26, 20152 votes

I love my Heimer! <3

Teridax68May 27, 20152 votes

is a squishy, immobile little thing who does little fighting of his own. Most assassins and fighters are conditioned to see champions like that as free kills, which is why they rage when you outplay them just by running away and leading them around your turrets. Diving Heimerdinger in the middle of a fully set-up base is one of the worst decisions an opponent could make, especially if he has his ult up, but most people don't realize that as they're focusing on the champion himself, which is also why he's so successful in solo queue.

Honestly, though, even if he might not be perfect, he's one of the quirkiest and most fun champions in the game. If your enemies question the Donger, just activate your swag walk over their bodies and let them bask in the science.

Space BumMay 27, 20152 votes

lulz perma-swag

Spooky SpookerMay 27, 20152 votes

Dong is love, Dong is life srsly doe, its annoying to play against him, but he takes skill, it aint all turrets.

Jungle Lux GodMay 27, 20151 votes

They are probably mistaking the Donger for the ExpandDong.

IxlinMay 27, 20151 votes

I've had several people dodge in ranked when I tried to run Heim top. Never understood it.

Space BumMay 27, 20151 votes

Funny, I like him top more than mid.

ProvengreilMay 27, 20151 votes

If i see an enemy heimer top, I recommend sion or nunu to my toplaner. eating the turrets for helth regen or hitting him with his own turrets kinda makes heimer sad

The SwedeMay 27, 20151 votes

I play heim supp. I win heim supp. Heim supp is amazingly amazing.

SirsirMay 27, 20151 votes

If you have an AD that doesn't need farm, yup.

CenturosMay 27, 20151 votes

He's not a real champ because The Donger himself doesn't do anything. It's all his turrets and other miscellaneous technology fighting for him.

exe3May 28, 20151 votes

Heimer is the type of champion that succeed's more on his opponents skill level rather than the players in most ratings. I've had games where I've dominated because the enemies focus only on me and i've had games where I completely struggle because they took the 2 seconds it takes to clear my turrets first (they're extremely squishy especially against the right champions, I hate you Orianna so much -_- ). It's this reason I almost feel like Heimer is UP despite the high winrate. His turrets are just too squishy I find against someone who knows what they're doing and doesn't just blindly dive me while i'm surrounded by turrets (I might die but i'll get at least 1 kill which gets me rolling). If Riot tweaked Heimer to make the turrets more resilient but Heimer himself more vulnerable so the Heimer play is more about keeping yourself alive (grenade stun supports this a lot) while your turrets do your job and forces enemies to start respecting his turrets (or not) then I think he'd be a better champion.

Space BumMay 28, 20151 votes

Kind of like old school donger. His turrets could take more of a beating and then ulting brought them back up to full health.

Donger and Lux were my first Mains back in season one. I only recently picked him back up. I liked old heim better but he was a little more broken. I used to drop my turrets in another lane and just get by on my abilities. Would end every game with 300+ CS.