I don't like MMR.

Nucleophilic atk·Oct 29, 2014·1 votes·751 views

I don't like it at all. Why can't silver 5 people play silver 5 people and diamond 5 people play diamond 5 people? I think it would be much better.

9 Comments

1337n00bh4x0rOct 29, 20142 votes

I recently came back from a long break (like 3 months) to play a few games. I got demoted to Bronze due to inactivity.

First win got me to Silver, right now my wins are giving me ~30 IP and the game I lost went down like 12.

My MMR hasn't changed, but the league around me has. Silver V, months ago, was a higher MMR than it is right now, so I'm solo queing against people 4-5 levels (Silver II to Gold) above me.

I feel that MMR is working for me. I haven't had a problem winning 3 of my past 4 ranked games, I'm clearly better than the other people in SV, I just don't have time to play my way out of it. Long ques, duo'ing and smurfs throw the whole system off, though, and some games feel really unfair, but MMR is at least helping that a little bit.

OnegarionOct 29, 20141 votes

Becuase there is a difference between MMR and LP. What you describe is just focusing on LP which isn't a good indicator of skill. MMR is much better. Yet because people think there is a difference between Gold 5 and Gold 4 they think LP is better. In reality MMR gives you fairer fights than LP would any day.

Nucleophilic atkOct 29, 20141 votes

I understand that there is a difference. But wouldn't it do the same thing, only in a more clear way? You could be in silver, for example, and have gold mmr. Well, why not just be in gold then lol? If you are better than other gold 5 players, you would beat them and move up until you can't move up anymore. With mmr, that silver player could be facing gold players, and therefore losing. So he thinks he isn't even as good as silver.

OnegarionOct 29, 20141 votes

THe LP system actually benefits you more than MMR. Say you go on a terrible losing streak and you fall to Silver Elo. Well by your MMR you are not silver and there go your end of season rewards. Out the window with a bad streak of games.

Lets say the same thing happens with LP so you hit Gold 5 lp. Now you have a little bit of time before you would actually fall. Giving you a better rating.

The overall benefit of not using MMR only is that say you go on a massive win streak, but you aren't really that good and got lucky. Then you will have this anxiety of falling because you won so much. I've pretty sure we've all had those 5+ game win streaks where we felt invincible. Those usually follow a 6+ game losing streak (just seems to happen this way lol). So while your MMR is changing the whole time your LP is holding you closer to a stasis in only allowing you to move up slower. It keeps you from going from gold 1 to gold 5 extremely quickly. It lets you be more at a peace of mind knowing you won't plummet in ranking cause of a bad streak. Also this way its a bit easier to show gains of how good you are doing as opposed the the volatile nature of MMR.

hey its rackOct 29, 20141 votes

you dont like it because you're not good

Nucleophilic atkOct 29, 20141 votes

Has nothing to do with my skill level.

0115D8CFOct 29, 20141 votes

isn't MMR more similar to the old elo system we used to have?

Nucleophilic atkOct 29, 20141 votes

I have no idea what the old system was lol.

0115D8CFOct 29, 20141 votes

I have no idea what the old system was lol.

I never really did ranked back then (don't now either lol) but I remember getting a number rating like 1280 or 2100 rather than leagues and divisions based on a hidden number. The number scores did correspond to bronze, silver, etc., but only a single one, not 5 sub-divisions of it.