Queued with four man quad queue, they pick an ADC top and stick me in DPS Bot. So I choose Malzahar.

Strawberrycocoa·Jan 24, 2016·105 votes·5,051 views

"Strawberry, pick ADC."

I'm taking Malz, we need magic damage. (we had an ADC/Marksman top (Graves), and AD champs in mid and jungle. I chose a magic user to keep our damage type diversified)

"No, you're ADC."

We already have an ADC. We don't need two.

"Just go ADC Malz."

No, I'm going Mage Malz. _ We get in the game, and the entire match is more of this._

"You're ADC!"

No, our ADC is top. I'm a Mage.

"No he isn't, Graves called Top, he's not ADC!"

/all "Report Malz!"

/all [Enemy team] Why?

/all "Trolling."

/all They keep telling me to be ADC, but our ADC is top.

/all "No he isn't, Graves called Top, not ADC!"

/all "Report Malz!"

I just... please help me League community, are people really this god damn stupid that they can't tell the difference between a lane position title and a role title?

121 Comments

alasarcherJan 24, 201687 votes

Why do u get in chat war with them anyway? Just tell them "potato" and do what u want.

StrawberrycocoaJan 24, 201691 votes

I have this foolish problem where I try to reason with people.

alasarcherJan 24, 201644 votes

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I have this foolish problem where I try to reason with people.

Trust me on this, dont bother, your life gonna be much easier. If someone has meta too thickly embedded in their head, they wont listen to reason.

SzunrayJan 24, 201610 votes

The thing that kills me is that people don't even understand WHY the meta is the way it is half the time...

Is it to destroy towers? Is it duo bot to secure dragon? Is it just having consistent damage in a teamfight? Why not Azir bot? Why not duo top to secure rift Herald?

What's funny is that if you pick Malzahar, people would be angry at you for not picking an ADC, but you could pick Mordekaiser and they may have even accepted it.

HighH1Jan 24, 20166 votes

Meta Sheep. Remember when Veigar had a 0.00000001% play rate but then 1 pro played him and everyone cried OP OP OP when they literally didn't buff/nerf him for 5 patches? Now where's Veigar,he still does stupid amounts of burst yet no play yet again.

Photos of GhostsMar 29, 20161 votes

But you tell them, and add this smiley at the end ":^)" then you add them to your friends list then you make a Boards post and send it to them.

Maximum MordeJan 24, 201621 votes

You can't argue with morons. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience every time.

1 800 JUNGLEEJan 24, 20162 votes

You can't argue with morons. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience every time. -Mark Twain perhaps leave a name when you quote people :)

Bodkins OddsJan 24, 20167 votes

In all fairness, this quote is so prevalent on the internet that he probably didn't know the original source to begin with.

KrigjerJan 24, 20162 votes

I have this foolish problem where I try to reason with people.

I also try to reason with people and absolutely would have attempted multiple times to get my team to understand what you did.

But I do have off days where I just don't want to deal with it, and let me tell you, I followed the advice I read on the forums once to just shout vegetables in chat and it's made those days ingame so much better.

TacoKingIIIJan 25, 20162 votes

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Why do u get in chat war with them anyway? Just tell them "potato" and do what u want.

Just say some dumb shit like "did you know some dishwashers require high efficiency detergent"

HawkefireJan 24, 201632 votes

You should have just said "Sure"

And then gone AP Malz anyway. He is a dark and evil scheming prophet, it isn't exactly above him to lie.

MrBuffingtonJan 24, 20162 votes

Not to mention many players (including myself...) hardly check what other players are building

PeponiPoroJan 25, 20162 votes

This is untrue in lower ELO unfortunately. We bronzes apparently like to think we know all the best builds and that others should be sticking to exactly that build. I guess this is really an exaggeration, as it has only happened to me maybe 50 times out of my 1000 games, but it is still irritating when it does happen. Probably not the best place to bring this up either...

Um.

What MrBuffington said!

EndlessSorcererJan 24, 201611 votes

Corki This is exactly the situation I was made for.

But yeah, people can be idiots.

NegusInParisJan 24, 20162 votes

But he is still 50/50. If you have no magic damage you do not want 50% magic damage

KnowsNothingJan 24, 20163 votes

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But he is still 50/50

Actually not. If you look on champion.gg (http://champion.gg/champion/Corki/ADC) you see its 75/25 so coeki would have been a realy good choice

NegusInParisJan 24, 20162 votes

I do not know how his team comp was built, but if it was 3-4 attack damage champions they would be better off with a full magic damage oriented champion

ChaoticPineconeJan 24, 20162 votes

his autos are 50/50. Most of his spells are still magic.

Rinky DinkyJan 24, 201610 votes

I would have just took Mordekaiser tbh

ModAttysu The PoroJan 24, 20168 votes

The fact everyone is saying "You should just blindly follow the meta crusade because if you don't then it's your fault you get flamed!" gives me brain cancer.

You know how many times I go Orianna Support Bot? Kindred Mid? Morgana/Karma Mid and Support fuckin Ahri? And still win?

Pls stop being a bunch of brain-dead followers.

Plus, his reasoning is solid. If you have all AD, spread out your damage, yes meta wins but off-meta wins too, children.

RakvirJan 24, 20162 votes

I am in full agreement, though strictly as a ~~sidetone~~ sidenote (I hate you, auto-correct!), Orianna support is something I saw so much of in Season 3 that I grew to hate her very existence. Then Season 4 came along and I basically never saw her again, even in mid. Not "flashy" enough for most people's tastes, I imagine.

IS3E531E3F964391Jan 24, 20165 votes

ugh how dare you think for yourself! you ought to follow the holy meta bible blindly like your life depends on it, fun? hell to the f no, you shall follow the meta bible or get flamed.

XIII VanitasJan 24, 20165 votes

Corki does magic damge. If you want, you can pick him next time and avoid baseless critics.

Sona PingJan 24, 20165 votes

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are people really this god damn stupid that they can't tell the difference between a lane position title and a role title?

https://media.giphy.com/media/z4Ut4kYEMW0s8/giphy.gif

DexterousGeckoJan 24, 20164 votes

you knew what they were getting at and continued to argue with them. Just ignore them. You made the situation worse by nitpicking. They weren't right, but you could have ignored them.

Celeste BenalJan 25, 20163 votes

Q: Are lol players too dumb to tell the difference between position and role? A: Yes.

ReadyxPlayerxOneJan 24, 20162 votes

Graves, like quinn, is a great top choice. He's a counter for a lot of bruisers up there. Your job as bot, in most scenarios including this one, are to be an ADC and a support. This means you were essentially trolling and griefing. EVEN if you don't see it that way.

Du Ma MiJan 24, 201632 votes

Crappy answer. Just because it is meta to have an Attack Damage Carry (which is what ADC stands for, since no one seems to be using it correctly) in the bottom lane, does not mean it's necessary. And if you already have 3 AD champions on your team, instead of making a FOURTH AD CHAMPION, it's always better to just pull out an AP champ - such as Malzahar or Vladimir - and to farm up and wait for ganks, that way the whole other team doesn't just build thornmails and blow you up.

TL;DR : If you are a carry, who uses Attack Damage to carry, then you are an AD Carry. 3 ADC's already? Pick an AP.

TimewinderJan 24, 20163 votes

Many times LCS teams do full ad comps - this is a viable strategy. It is usually better to follow the meta. Plus, Graves top usually doesn't build the same things as Graves ADC, so there would be a need for raw damage.

I don't think OP deserves to be reported though.

EfficientDynamoJan 24, 20169 votes

Full AD is a viable strategy, but the OP's strategy was equally viable. Look at Froggen often picking Anivia, who hasn't been a meta favorite for a long time. He is great with her, and it makes sense to choose her rather than a FotM champ he isn't as skilled with.

Personally, I never ADC and would probably do better as Malz bot than trying to pick up an ADC on the fly.

NinjaFifer19Jan 24, 20165 votes

[It's not league, but it still fits here] Last year's Smite world championships was a fantastic example; Serquet was broken on the patch they played, so she was 100% ban for the first, like, 10 games. Then one team let her through the bans and first picked her and proceeded to go something like 0/6. It happened the exact same way again a couple games later and all of a sudden Serquet went from 100% pick/ban to 0% pick/ban in the same tounament.

There's a huge argument for comfort picks over meta picks.

FlemmanJan 24, 20169 votes

also Cassiopeia and Teemo are two ap champ that loves to be botlane if they are full ad in the other lane, one just farm stack more safely with a sup to protect her while the other just blind the enemy for maximum ragequit :p

Du Ma MiJan 24, 20166 votes

Holy trying to play against these two is just death. Teemo's poison works wonders with Cass' Twin Fangs, so she can just spam it as long as teemo is auto attacking the same person.

StrawberrycocoaJan 24, 201624 votes

My problem with taking an ADC in two slots is that ADCs are built to be babysat. They need protection and the watchful eye of allies who can lockdown and isolate targets while the sustained damage of ADCs does it's thing. ADCs build almost zero defensive stats and are the first player targeted in general. So if you have two ADCs, you are losing out on the lockdown and defensive capabilities of a Mage or a Bruiser or a Tank and creating a need to babysit TWO players instead of one.

So, if I can prevent this problem by choosing a champ that retains team composition even if it doesn't meet community meta of lane assignment, why is that not better?

ReadyxPlayerxOneJan 24, 20162 votes

It's not taking an adc into two spots. It's viable strat. Downvote me all you want. The OP was just as troll/toxic as they were.

DezeMuffinsJan 24, 201620 votes

Not playing the common "meta" of a marksman bottom is NOT trolling nor toxic. The OP's point was that a full AD comp is easily countered, and that he was unfairly flamed (not that there's such thing as fair flaming) for playing a champion that actually could have worked well with his team composition if his teammates had been more willing to work with him. Anything is viable, and it's ironic that you're saying that he's trolling for not following the other player's strategy by creating his own strategy.

ReadyxPlayerxOneJan 24, 20161 votes

If you say so...

Kuroi86Jan 24, 201617 votes

Riot says so.

No matter how often you report someone for off-meta picks, they will not be punished. Picking off meta is not trolling, it is not toxic. It is simply picking off-meta. The meta being something created by the players, there are no rules enforcing the meta, you can break it all you want and suffer no consequences from Riot.

Slamurai JackJan 24, 20162 votes

You should see how people react when I pick Yasuo adc and we have a team like Vayne top, Orianna mid, and Nidalee jungle.

Ulquiorra995Jan 24, 20162 votes

Glad to see someone else does that. Me and my duo buddy are playing Janna/Yasuo almost exclusively and it's a blast every time.

Slamurai JackJan 24, 20162 votes

That's coincidentally who I had as my support that game, and while she's fine, I prefer other supports. My actual favorite support to have when playing Yasuo adc is Leona. She has the tankiness and initiation needed to give me a clean opening, has the CC to lock them up long enough for my tornado, and the extra damage from her passive to help me get past my low damage early game. Braum is also another good one because you can proc his passive stun extremely quickly thanks to Q, he easily follow you in as well while making you tankier with W, and he can knock up enemies with his ult. Alistar is also another obvious good choice. I'm generally not a fan of the squishier supports unless they also happen to be aggressive laners like Sona or Nami that can make up for my lack of range with their own threat and provide reliable assistance in an all in.

Only Play DariusJan 24, 20162 votes

Yasuo ADC actually works surprisingly well. You just give up your siege, but if you have an ADC in another lane you don't have to worry about that.

NommyPancakeJan 24, 20162 votes

It's okey for 4 man team to play out of meta (Graves Top).

But it's not okey for you to play out of meta (Mal Bot).

Humanity has taken logic to whole new level!!! OwO

AuryielJan 24, 20165 votes

Graves top is not out of meta, though

Not saying they're right, those guys sound pretty fkin dumb, but Graves top is a pretty regular pick right now

ValyrianBladeJan 24, 20162 votes

I think they're wrong, but still have a small point.

The role of ADC may mean to carry with Attack Damage, but the real reason it exists is to take down towers.

Graves is terrible at this frankly, he's too short ranged. If you had something like Graves top, Lee Sin Jungle, and Yasuo mid, you really don't have much sieging ability. Thus, a typical ADC may have still been a good option (especially Corki). That said, you can't be expected to own and play every champion (I'm an ADC main and I don't own Corki, although I'm actually planning to purchase him soon).

Malzahar sounds like a reasonable choice there. I'm not sure how he does in lane against an ADC + Support but I'd imagine well. In general, in the situation where you need AP bot and Corki isn't an option, you want a mid laner who absolutely wrecks ADCs anyways. That way you can cheese win your lane, and still keep the good team comp.

SzunrayJan 24, 20163 votes

Malzahar is actually a pretty excellent pusher, what with his ability to clear minion waves with a spell and constantly spawn voidlings. With the way AP damage is calculated against towers I'm willing to bet he's not much worse than other more meta choices at tower busting (like Ashe or Ezreal)

Anyway, thats not why his team had his hissy fit. OP could have picked Azir or Ziggs and gotten the same treatment. People by and large don't actually understand the meta, they just follow it.

DrOinkleBerryJan 24, 20162 votes

My question is, why did you NOT go AD Malzahar? AD Malzahar isn't a trolling build, it's legitimately strong. Build Manamune w/ 40% CDR, maybe take Essence Reaver for that, then just spam all your spells like mad and summon 3+ voidlings to insta-gib any VIP they encounter. Gunblade or Rylai's could be a good mix-up, while still retaining your AD Malz shtick.

Split push all day if your team is retarded. Nobody can 1v1 a farmed &/or fed AD Malz, not unless they get a QSS, have Smite available to use, and have a lot of armor (even then, fat chance they will kill you, as you can just kite them around while simultaneously summoning legions of voidlings to widdle them away. Ka-ching, 250g, straight to the bank motherfucker). Also, I think AD Malzahar is literally the best pusher in the entire game. That isn't hyperbole. His voidlings kill towers at such an absurd rate that if you have 3 items, and the enemy team ignores you for as little as 5 minutes, you can take their inhibitor easy peasy, maybe even still their inhibitor tower if they send someone to stop you.

So, why get so mad at them asking you to be ADC? AD Malz is legitimate, and a lot of people don't know how to handle it. Hard counters include heavy-armor tanks or minion-murdering monstrosities, aka Malphite, Nasus, Rammus, etc.

kitcat300Jan 24, 20168 votes

It has nothing to do with weather OP thought AD Malzahar was bad or not. He just didn't want his teams damage to be all AD.

DrOinkleBerryJan 24, 20162 votes

Well, that's fair I suppose.