I will not be told to "take my bronze opinion somewhere else" any longer

Hallbuster··4 votes·956 views

In order to defend my honor and the integrity of every bronze player in LoL, I am challenging high elo players in all divisions to a 1 vs 1 custom summoner's rift game mode. There shall be no restrictions on champion selection, my opponent may pick any champion to his liking, If I may do the same. We fight until we come upon first blood and honor is satisfied.

If I should win, I shall reserve the right to post the match results in this very thread, for future reference if any player wants to call me a "bronze scrub."

Post your available times and I will do my best to meet them.

I stand for bronze.

P.S Platinum players and above, please go easy on me.

17 Comments

DrCyanide3 votes

to a 1 vs 1

May as well be to a Dark Star game or a match of CoD for all the good a 1 vs 1 does at showing you know anything about the game.

Who is Taliyah1 votes

does Tic Tac Toe work?

Klergon1 votes

Oh C'mon. Really man? 1 vs 1 is actually a pretty fair assessment of some skills. Wanna know why?

First reason: 1 vs 1 forces you to rely on only what you can bring to the fight. No ganks, no objectives, no teamfights. Just you versus another person. Ever wonder why, when toplane starts snowballing, they are really hard to stop, even when it's 2 vs 1? because when a toplaner starts snowballing, it means that they know what they're doing. Since their only opponent is the other top, it comes down to mechanics, farming, and sheer mastery of gameplay. Sometimes even luck.

Second reason: 1 vs 1 shows how well you've mastered the mechanics. Have you seen the pros play during the Team FIRE and Team ICE competitions? Those games were crazy! Want to know why? It came down to 2 nearly evenly matched competitors in an isolated environment. I know I pretty much explained that in my previous point, but let me get more specific. Building off what I saw in the Fire vs Ice matches, the game all comes down to 3 things:

  1. Farming technique (first to 100 farm wins)
  2. Dueling mechanics (first to 1 kill also wins if before 100 farm)
  3. Knowledge of champion abilities. It's what allows you to farm and duel well, so it should be a given.

All those three things combine to show what you can really do on your own as a player. If you are going even with your opponent, it means you have similar champ mastery (no, not mastery system; rather, think kit understanding and mastery), similar farming mastery (if they're 15 farm ahead, and neither of you have backed, it means they can farm better), and dueling mastery (if they can combo you to death, you're not the better player (usually)).

Third reason: in 1 vs 1, nothing can be changed about the pace of the game. It puts you into the shoes of the lone wolf, the gunslinger, the duelist, whatever it is you want to be in this case, against someone else. The results speak to who plays League better. If someone hands your rear to you in 1 vs 1, it probably means that they have more experience than you, or better mechanics, or something they're doing better than you to make the game pull in their favor.

Now, is 1 vs 1 the be-all end-all in determining skill? No, it isn't. Supports literally exist so that they can help another player. Junglers are made to get objectives and provide mobile support to allied champs. But, the thing that 1 vs 1 tests is known as "micro" by most people. It tells you your individual strength. Are there team dynamics in League of legends? Absolutely! Do those team dynamics make or break games? Definitely, and almost all the time! But that is a section of gameplay called "macro," or one's ability to react to the environment around them, which also interacts with them. Simply, it's how a player can perform with outside influences. I wouldn't expect Faker to take out 5 Master tier players all alone just because he has mechanics. That's just not going to happen. it's entirely possible in Bronze or Silver because people aren't that great at teamplay. But in high elo, the real difference really is macro. So, why do I defend 1 vs 1 as a measure of personal skill? It tests the individual; people who focus on micro may not know way too much about macro and how to deal with it. But, people who have good macro but terrible micro can't do anything because they may know what they're supposed to do, but they can't hardly do it because they don't possess the necessary skills. Really, though, if you want a test to see how good of a player you are, do a best of three:

  1. 1 vs 1
  2. 3 vs 3
  3. 5 vs 5

Why? Because in 1 vs 1, only your micro is tested. In 3 vs 3, it shows some of how you can manage your micro as well as showing some of how you manage macro. And, 5 vs 5 you show off how well you manage your micro.

But that's all my opinion; I might be entirely wrong about this. Have a nice day!

DrCyanide1 votes

But, people who have good macro but terrible micro can't do anything because they may know what they're supposed to do, but they can't hardly do it because they don't possess the necessary skills.

Is it fair to say this is the statement summarizes your opinion pretty accurately, that you can't win the Macro game without winning the Micro game?

I contend that Micro is the easiest part of the game to understand, since you start out playing the Micro game every match. Jungler's Micro around their camps to deal the most damage and take the least damage back, laners micro back and forth between last hitting and trading. A game decided entirely by Micro would be one with the Jungle and Jungler removed and every player locked into their lanes. The Fire/Ice 1v1's are just that, but they add the arbitrary cut offs (100 CS/First Blood) to make the game short. My understanding is that they use Snowdown Showdown, a 1v1 or 2v2 Featured Game Mode that hasn't made a return, which probably explains why it's not a fight to the Nexus.

I think we've all had games where our team was doing OK or Good in Laning phase, but then we just couldn't seem to get anywhere and the other team turned it around. While there may have been some Micro elements at work in teamfights, there was probably a big Macro difference between the two teams.

Macro is most of what the Jungler does, about the only thing Singed can do, and most effective Split Pushers rely on it as well. I wish I saved it, but someone showed me a picture of a game they played as Master Yi where they had 0 kills and 0 assists, effectively ignoring the PvP Micro game, but they single handedly won the game for their team. How? Killing towers. I think they killed 8 or 9 towers on their own that match. While the rest of their team engaged the enemy team in tests of Micro, this Master Yi would play the Macro game.

The Micro game is suppose to make it easier to win the Macro game, but when both teams are roughly even on Micro it's Macro decisions that wins the game. It should be assumed that you'll be comparable on a Micro level to your opponents, it's the Macro level you have to improve.

Klergon1 votes

Micro doesn't make or break every game. But, when it comes to it, Macro is full of Micro skills. Evenly skilled Micro teams do have to fight it out in Macro; there is no way around that. And, teams that have less Micro but more Macro than the other team often win. But, the argument must be made that when your Renekton or Trundle feeds their Riven, who in turn has excellent Micro, it's practically game over. Although it is entirely possible that you could stop the Riven; however, that means dragging out your bot laners and maybe even your jungler to do it. Really, yes, League of Legends is all about the Macro. That's what wins pro play most of the time; Macro decisions made that push the game in one team's favor. But, that being said, most players in LoL are Bronze/Silver (like me). The main reason these people are ranked so low is because their Micro isn't as good as other opponents; when Micro is even, however, Macro decides the game. No offense to Bronzies or Silvers (which I am one of), but our Macro kinda sucks. That's why, in lower levels of play, Micro usually decides the game, while in higher levels of play, Macro almost always decides who wins. But, the reason that Micro has, and in my opinion usually will, determined so many lower ranked (or unranked) games is because in order to contribute to the Macro you at least have to know what you're doing. And, even when you do, you have to be somewhat relevant to help (barring tanks or champs with a lot of cc; those are almost always helpful). And, in order to keep relevancy in your game, you have to be able to farm decently, or get kills, or at least stay a little bit behind your lane opponent. Although Macro could very well save your team against a snowballing lane opponent, if Macro is about even (like it is usually across ranks, but most prominently in lower ranks [spoiler: at lower levels of play, you probably have bad macro, and so will your opponents in most cases]). When Macro is even, Micro will decide the game.

Yes, that's essentially what they did for the Fire/Ice 1v1's. It's a test of isolated skills, which is why I'd suggest a test of skills being a 1 vs 1 match, a 3 vs 3 match, and a 5 vs 5 match, because the combination of all three matches shows everything you really know about LoL, Micro and Macro.

But, you have some really good points. I'm glad you took the time to type out a well-thought out response. Macro does usually win the game, but in scenarios when Macro is about even, it's Micro that decides the game. And, when Micro is about even, it's Macro that decides the game. When both are even, Macro takes a larger role in the game then Micro, simply because Summoner's Rift 5v5 is and always will be a team-centered game. But, at the same time, Micro still plays a role in the game's outcome.

Overall, I think my original point was that 1v1 is still a relatively good measurement of personal skill. Sure, it doesn't test Macro, and it isn't the best test of personal skill, but it's better than seeing who is better against bots, and it's certainly a legitimate measure of certain skills.

But, that's my opinion. I mean no offense to Bronzies and Silvers, but the truth is that we are at that rank because it's an accurate assessment of our skills. Sure, right out of placements you might be lower than you should be because of that one teammate that throws the game and feeds. That's my story in a nutshell. But, given about 50 or so ranked games afterwards, you should be right around where you really belong. There's always room for improvement, yes, and that's the point of playing more games; to get better and climb the ranks. And some bronze/silver opinions are very valid; they are people who have a good understanding of the game but rank lower because of their Micro or Macro.

Have a nice day!

Paquay3 votes

Umm, I'm bronze and you don't stand for me.

EVERYONE! May I have your attention!? Hallbuster does not speak for me in any way, shape, or form. Just to be clear. ;)

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

LMAO

"P.S. platinum players and above , please go easy on me . "

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Lucian Waifu2 votes

You wouldn't be able to beat anyone above high silver without that person dcing, not even getting lucky multiple times would help you. A plat playing against you would just waste the Plat's time

GreatWhiteNorth1 votes

All talk.

Qzply761 votes

Holy fuck this post is sad.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Wait, did you just delete your previous thread and recreate it?

Hallbuster1 votes

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Wait, did you just delete your previous thread and recreate it?

Mod Curator told me it was the wrong place for discussion when I posted the thread in gameplay.

ShinkoMinori1 votes

This post is hilarious +1

GreatWhiteNorth1 votes

I think someone should take him up on this. Since riot doesn't match people from different ranks together often, nobody really knows how big the skillgap is.

Hallbuster1 votes

{quoted}

I think someone should take him up on this. Since riot doesn't match people from different ranks together often, nobody really knows how big the skillgap is.

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GreatWhiteNorth1 votes

I hope you guys really do post the results. I'm not so much interested in who won (obvious) but how big the gap is; would be nice to watch the replay.

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