I think CDR is too available.

YoungFarmer·Nov 13, 2016·69 votes·2,429 views

I remember back in the day when Riven had to take CDR runes to get max cdr and fizz took cdr runes, now every item and its uncle has cdr on it.

54 Comments

Project omenNov 13, 20169 votes

This was Riot's intention, they even shaped the mage meta around cdr by giving cd nerfs. Classic examples: Vladimir Swain Fizz

feryvunnyNov 13, 20165 votes

I still take CDR blues on my assassins. Specifically the scaling ones and only enough for 10%. It helps me free up an item slot for some other utility and/or raw damage and lets me not get CDR boots. I hate CDR boots on assassins

The Blue RajahNov 14, 20161 votes

What boots do you get on assassins? Certainly not zerkers. (Though if you mean ap assassins, then it's obvious.)

feryvunnyNov 14, 20161 votes

Swifties mainly. Assassins are all about positioning and getting to a target so that's what its for. Maybe mobis if I'm in the mood and feel like I need to pressure the map more. And then of course mercs if they have a ton of cc

I hate my ADCNov 13, 20163 votes

Because items like item 3071 exists. Best of every fucking worlds. Built on every single AD champion in the game with absolutely no counterplay and no cons.

Big LincolnNov 13, 20166 votes

every class has a core item

cleaver just happens to have replaced hydra as the core fighter/bruiser item

RizHippoKhanNov 13, 20163 votes

its hard for shen to get cdr ;-;

MarshbouyNov 13, 20162 votes

Riot's ideology was decrease damage>decrease CD. That means in theory you should not get one shot by a lux, but she will be able to cast more spells on you allowing for a shorter burst time. instead of Q E R it's Q E, wait Q E R (in theory) Which is something that actually makes sense. It gives you more time to back off and respond.

The SoulforgedNov 13, 20162 votes

I just think we need to remove 20% cdr items.

MatthewRT2Nov 13, 20161 votes

it not that easy to get max xrd with just dmg items though

YoungFarmerNov 13, 201613 votes

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it not that easy to get max xrd with just dmg items though

item 3071 item 3156 item 3142 item 3158 item 3508 item 1400 item 3078

President Swa1nNov 13, 20163 votes

Is there any champion that builds any 6 of those? I'm asking, not arguing.

EDIT: Why was I downvoted :(

XeroKimoNov 13, 20161 votes

Well bruisers would love the black cleaver and maw, that's 30% already, they'll probably have the last 10% from a tank item like spirit or warmogs, or go overkill on cd with iceborn

Assassins would build yomuus maw and black cleaver so 40% done right there

President Swa1nNov 13, 20161 votes

True, and some bruisers would go Triforce as well

NiceTryViNov 13, 20162 votes

As a Vi main, i build warrior and either tri or BC every game, and Maw is my most common offensive MR item, with ghostblade being a common aggro item on Vi as well. A lot of bruisers build similarly as well.

President Swa1nNov 13, 20161 votes

I see, thanks

ObsidiotNov 13, 20162 votes

Sivir Lucian just need item 3158 item 3508 item 3046 to get 40% cdr.

President Swa1nNov 13, 20161 votes

Oh, I didn't know they build lucidity boots

XIII VanitasNov 13, 20161 votes

They usually don't, item 3006 are better.

AninLegions777Nov 14, 20161 votes

Depends. With 45% CDR, an AD caster gets a lot more dmg from CDR than AS since he mostly relies on his passive for the output damage.

XIII VanitasNov 15, 20161 votes

Nobody goes that far into the cunning tree anymore.

AninLegions777Nov 15, 20161 votes

Depends on the player.

ZonkmanNov 13, 20161 votes

item 3812

The SoulforgedNov 13, 20161 votes

Ghostblade is only for assassins now. It got a huge nerf to anyone else and its damage tanked.

EnloctNov 13, 201631 votes

It's harder to _not _ have more than 40% now.

YoungFarmerNov 13, 20163 votes

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It's harder to _not _ have more than 40% now.

Lol yah, aha ill be playing a mage and be like, no I cant build zhonyas I already have 45% cdr

KingnewgameplusNov 13, 201614 votes

item 3165 item 3157 item 3001 item 3100 used to only be 20% total cdr back in the good ol' days.

DracocrashNov 13, 20169 votes

now its 50%

WinTheWarOnPantsNov 13, 20161 votes

and then you realize that AP actually got the short end when it comes to cdr XD

GayFluffyUnicornNov 14, 20163 votes

???? How when nearly every AP item got CDR on it? Abyssal didn't have that, zhonyas didn't have that. LichBane i am not too sure about.

WinTheWarOnPantsNov 14, 20161 votes

lichbane has 10% now and used to have 0%. what i meant is that compared to AD items AP has less. AD items have a bout 120% total cdr. AP items have 80-90% total.

Votable JesterNov 14, 20161 votes

The reason that's bad is Riot now expects mages to be spamming spells, so we're no longer allowed to just build a ton of AP for massive burst with a long cooldown.

Of course, there are a couple champions who get both...

WinTheWarOnPantsNov 13, 20161 votes

item 3071 item 3078 item 3508 item 3156 item 3142 item 1412 item 3812 item 3025 or item 3157 item 3100 item 3165 item 3115 item 3001 item 3060 item 3152 for sure tho that struggle is just too real man kek

Kingdom CornNov 14, 20161 votes

item 3071 item 3165 item 3158 Build either one for ad or ap and then these boots. You have 30% so you take 5% in intelligence, FLAT 5% cdr blues and 3 scaling cdr blues. That is your 45% with 1 item and boots.

Nobody1111Nov 13, 20161 votes

Well, move some CDR back to my support tank items, my leona wants more CDR avaliable

VerdadeNov 13, 20161 votes

Wait, what? Tank supports already have enough CDR Zeke Frozen Heart Spirit Visage Banner Redemption Mikael All T3 sightstones

SagaxwikiNov 13, 20162 votes

No tank support ever builds spirit visage or zeke's herald.

TeCoolMageNov 13, 20161 votes

tear users who don't like zhonya's or morello feelsbad

The Blue RajahNov 14, 20161 votes

But morello works so well with tear. Who doesn't like that combo?

TeCoolMageNov 14, 20161 votes

Anivia mostly, she already gets GLP/RoA so Morello just adds an unnecessary amount of mana.

SupportRivenNov 13, 20161 votes

yea as riven I build item 3071 item 3142 already have 45% cdr pretty nice

GrReaper96Nov 13, 20161 votes

Well she needs item 3158 also

SupportRivenNov 13, 20161 votes

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Well she needs also

nope I have 45% cdr with those 2 items I build item 3111 or item 3047 depending on game

The Blue RajahNov 14, 20161 votes

Then you have cdr runes.

TerozuNov 19, 20161 votes

masteries actually + 5%

EvewynnNov 13, 20161 votes

CDR is the crit of mages (kinda). I think that most builds should naturally learn towards 30-40%. Some classes definitely have more access than others.

For examples, enchanters have so much CDR that they actually need to be extremely careful not to go over.

KoKobotoNov 14, 20161 votes

Yeah it's pretty annoying that when you try certain item builds they aren't as efficient because you end up with 50-60 cdr

AninLegions777Nov 14, 20161 votes

THIS!!! Was about to make a post like this. Almost every item had CDR. Back then, 40% CDR was something few people aimed for because their core items didn't possess it. Now almost every item has CDR. Mid lane? 40% CDR at 20 mins. Supp, Same. Top, Same. Jungle, Same. ADC gets it with 2 items. It's so fcking annoying.