Personally I do not believe so, countless times I have had to lane against someone who is plat 5 or plat 4 simply because I was placed on a team with a premade. How is it a show of my skill when match making reduces my chances of winning simply by placing me against a player who is significantly higher tiered that myself?
Any way I would like to hear others thoughts, discuss.
hi im minty2 votesI played support one day and my adc was an ashe who was playing her first ranked game. Now I'm not an expert but that doesn't sound fair or balanced for her. She got rolled so hard....
Magical Player1 votesSystem balances mmr, you may be the low end of the scale. just means you need to show you deserve to climb the games are balanced(mostly) you can check your mmr per team adn they're roughly the same(+- a few points) Just because you're not playing a game with 9 identical mmr people doesnt mean unbalanced
AMYS GRAVE1 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdNAFDGtgQc
the total summed team MMR of this game is fairly even, does that mean its fair?
Magical Player1 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdNAFDGtgQc
the total summed team MMR of this game is fairly even, does that mean its fair?
lol 5v3 isnt a ranked game............... In ranked games the system balances to the best of its ability so yes it is fair
normals/custom games do not classify as ranked
AMYS GRAVE1 votesNo, it isn't ranked, but both sides are taking it seriously and their MMR is fairly even. This is a counter-example to your point because this is an example of a game where the individuals on each team are nowhere near similar skill level. Having disparate rankings in one game does not make a balanced game, even if the overall team MMR makes it look balanced. One diamond matched with 4 bronze can carry a game against 5 silvers which does not make a fair game.
Magical Player1 votesNo, it isn't ranked, but both sides are taking it seriously and their MMR is fairly even. This is a counter-example to your point because this is an example of a game where the individuals on each team are nowhere near similar skill level. Having disparate rankings in one game does not make a balanced game, even if the overall team MMR makes it look balanced. One diamond matched with 4 bronze can carry a game against 5 silvers which does not make a fair game.
the discussion is about ranked play. In a logcial sense diamonds do not get paired with silvers/bronze............ ranked people in ranked games
In normals sure it could happen, but we're not discussing that. its about ranked play..............
AMYS GRAVE1 votesdiamonds do not get paired with silvers/bronze............ ranked people
Plats routinely get paired with/against bronze, and diamonds to get matched with gold often enough. In ranked yes.
Magical Player1 votesPlats routinely get paired with/against bronze, and diamonds to get matched with gold often enough. In ranked yes.
show me a ranked game where this occured.................. IF it is solo ranked queue, that will not happen if it is team ranked queue that could happen
We are discussing ranked solo, not ranked team So I will request you prove your diamonds get paired with bronze statement. 'cause I think you're full of shit with it
AMYS GRAVE1 votesSo I will request you prove your diamonds get paired with bronze statement.
Not what i said, read what i write before commenting, because if you can't do that you're not worth my time.
Magical Player1 votesNot what i said, read what i write before commenting, because if you can't do that you're not worth my time.
Your right My bad, you said Plats get paired with bronze and diamonds get matched with gold, find an IN SEASON GAME to demonstrate your point
AMYS GRAVE1 voteshttp://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/7Tc7Rogf-matchmaking
Took me 4 min, gold vs diamond instead of silver vs diamond but close enough.
EDIT:
Here's an as of yet unranked account being matched with silvers and against plats in their ranked games.
Magical Player1 voteshttp://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/7Tc7Rogf-matchmaking
Took me 4 min, gold vs diamond instead of silver vs diamond but close enough.
Okay a post from 2 years ago..... Find a recent game past 6 months(anything this season) to explain the prior game happening back in duo queue hayday the gold1 was probably duo'd with plat 3 and the diamond5 was duo'd with plat 5 average mmr is the same.
Gold1 is closer to plat than it is to silver..... In fact the game was in series to plat 5 so this was a plat game. You could also explain this by that diamond player being a bad player and having bad mmr, thus being forced to play vs low plats
Find a more recent in season game to prove the point. I accept that this event happened, but it happened outside the scope of the season
AMYS GRAVE1 votesedited in games from this season, it took me less than 5 min to find so excuse me if the first games i looked at were one division different from what i claimed.
Magical Player1 votesEDIT:
Here's an as of yet unranked account being matched with silvers and against plats in their ranked games.
Thanks for submitting more evidence to your side The unranked account. unranked accounts have to get placed, they have no rank.(this one ended gold 5) Unranked accounts have to play placement games to determine their mmr. I'm guessing this account had decent mmr going into the placements since he ended 5/5 and reached g5 from that alone. So off the bat, the account had an underlying gold mmr going into placements(or near to gold) Gold v-plat 5 is fair... His latest game for placements was balanced in terms of rank level. Not seeing a huge disparity ex:silver vs plats, as you claimed. So the team he played againist in their last game ranged from g5-g1 his team ranged from g5-p5 which is balanced
Not sure which game your referencing from his history. I couldn't find a silver vs plat game in his history
AMYS GRAVE1 votesThis guy was 9 / 5 / 11 17 days ago where he had a silver 1 and 2 teammate with a pair of plat 5 opponents. How is that fair for the silver players?
Magical Player1 votesThis guy was 9 / 5 / 11 17 days ago where he had a silver 1 and 2 teammate with a pair of plat 5 opponents. How is that fair for the silver players?
during that game everyone was gold or silver, the plats on the enemy team just arrived into plat it appears. So this is still an example of silver v gold
AMYS GRAVE1 votesarrived into plat = they are plat. I can't believe i have to spell out a tautology.
no true scotsman fallacy.
Magical Player1 votesarrived into plat = they are plat. I can't believe i have to spell out a tautology.
no true scotsman fallacy.
they are plat 5 as of now, that game is 17 days old. within 17 days you can change alot
AMYS GRAVE1 votesIts very clear that no matter what evidince i provide to you it wont be good enough. You'll just push any evidence provided to the side, and if i refute your arguments you'll just drop it and come up with another excuse.
Magical Player1 votesIts very clear that no matter what evidince i provide to you it wont be good enough. You'll just push any evidence provided to the side, and if i refute your arguments you'll just drop it and come up with another excuse.
I'm refuting your evidence. I'm not ignoring it, i'm telling you why it doesn't apply. You may refute my arguments and too which you bring valid points up(kinda). This is a discussion, your evidence is from 2 seasons ago, unranked accounts(which end up in gold) Show an account that is ranked silver with significant history(60+ games) This would completely prove your point, and i would have no way to disagree with you It has to be a silver 5- plat 5 difference silver 1 vs plat 5 does not count
Magical Player1 votesNo, it isn't ranked, but both sides are taking it seriously and their MMR is fairly even. This is a counter-example to your point because this is an example of a game where the individuals on each team are nowhere near similar skill level. Having disparate rankings in one game does not make a balanced game, even if the overall team MMR makes it look balanced. One diamond matched with 4 bronze can carry a game against 5 silvers which does not make a fair game.
this wasn't a counter to my point. my point is about ranked, I'm not addressing anything outside ranked play.
seraph1m2 votes[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=eKfbbEQu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-07-12T19:31:52.181+0000)
System balances mmr, you may be the low end of the scale. just means you need to show you deserve to climb the games are balanced(mostly) you can check your mmr per team adn they're roughly the same(+- a few points) Just because you're not playing a game with 9 identical mmr people doesnt mean unbalanced
games arent balanced you cant balance the game with premades in them
seraph1m1 votesnope dynamic q makes the game unbalanced its cancer
SincereSupport1 votesI would to like to post my 2 cents on this topic. I am a gold 3 support main, when I was in gold 5 and 4 I was playing with people who were gold 3+ and that was good. Now that I have been in gold 3 I only play with silver 2s and 3s what the hell is up with that? It says my mmr is normal but it obviously isn't and I wish I knew why I only pair with them http://imgur.com/cHfq9Uc ^ Picture for proof
Magical Player1 votesI would to like to post my 2 cents on this topic. I am a gold 3 support main, when I was in gold 5 and 4 I was playing with people who were gold 3+ and that was good. Now that I have been in gold 3 I only play with silver 2s and 3s what the hell is up with that? It says my mmr is normal but it obviously isn't and I wish I knew why I only pair with them http://imgur.com/cHfq9Uc ^ Picture for proof
Game was balanced, still within a reasonable margin for a game to occur.(+-3 divisions of average is considered fair to me)(average was probably silver 1 or gold 5). 49.6/50.4 so stat's say game was going to be close
